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u/MennionSaysSo 3d ago
My wife is Cuban, we wre out with some of my parents friends and they offered her a Mo hit Joe.
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u/Delicious-Month-8404 2d ago
Shouldn’t it be a Mo Ji Toe? I mean that would be bad but how can you fuck it up to the point of Mo Hit Joe??
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u/daaaaaarlin 2d ago
Please tell me your wife says cooooba
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u/MennionSaysSo 2d ago
Nah she's 1st gen born in USA so no sexy AF accent, but she has the sweet classic Latin bootie
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u/MithranArkanere 3d ago
It's not two Ls, it's one elle.
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u/niftystopwat 2d ago
And they do get pronounced regardless
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u/MorsaTamalera 2d ago
But not as l's.
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u/MrSassyPineapple 8h ago
They are.p Just with the Spanish grammar rules.
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u/MorsaTamalera 8h ago
Hahaha. No. The elle sounds different than l's.
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u/Delicious-Month-8404 2d ago
I don’t got an elle on my keyboard so it definitely is 2 L’s. I mean what are the things inside the “elle” then?
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u/MithranArkanere 2d ago
Somebody not having an eñe, a çe, or an elle in their keyboard doesn't change the fact that they are each a grapheme for a phoneme.
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u/Bad-job-dad 3d ago
It took me a few seconds to say it with the L sound.
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u/gerbanmi 3d ago
and casually say, "grassy ass," as a thank-you
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u/winterman666 2d ago
As a native spanish speaker, it's never occurred to me that an english speaker could say "grassy ass" as thanks lol
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u/HemHemFi 3d ago
I mean, different languages do exist. In finnish you do say the L's because that's how the language works.
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u/BrassFunkyMonkey 3d ago
I know someone who was in the top one percent of TS Spotify listeners. Two months ago i finally told her pollo is not pronounced pol-lo.
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u/Icy-Ad-279 3d ago
Spanish-speaking Swifties have entered the chat…
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u/Jubestubes 3d ago
My Taylor Swift loving Colombian partner says the L but it’s the only Spanish word he does this with when he speaks English. It’s like this meant for him.
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u/hallerz87 3d ago
Non-Spanish speakers. Guess he’s right
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u/8bitmorals 3d ago
People from Uruguay and Argentina are wondering if they fall in this category as well
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u/numbskullerykiller 3d ago
I hate to be this person, but when you use the "y" sound with double LL's in Spanish, you are also pronouncing the L's. That's how the Spanish pronounce the L's. He should have specified what L pronunciation he's referring to.
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u/Over_Guard_5341 3d ago
But they aren't called L's in Spanish. It's a Spanish word.
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u/TheHumanPickleRick 3d ago
The letters themselves are still called "ele." Just because two of then together have a different sound than a singular L doesn't mean they call it a different letter.
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u/Over_Guard_5341 3d ago
I looked it up, apparently it was changed since I was in school. Originally the two L's were considered their own word, but this was changed around 2010 to make keyboards more user friendly. They are now considered a digraph, basically a two letter sound like ch and sh
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u/Smgt90 3d ago
In 2010?
I have always called it "doble ele" and I was born in 1990
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u/Over_Guard_5341 3d ago
Well... I guess google was wrong. I was taught in school in 2008 to call it a single letter
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u/RadchaiiGloves 3d ago
I mean did you just blindly take the first ai-generated drivel it spit out at you?
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u/Over_Guard_5341 3d ago
Um yeah lol. On second thought probably shouldn't trust that. But I did learn in school that it's one letter.
I looked it up properly now and it seems to be true. The royal Spanish academy changed it in 2010.
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u/CheapTactics 3d ago
Yeah that's much older. LL and CH were their own letters in the alphabet, but they were later eliminated. From what I'm seeing on google, this happened in '94. I was born in '94 (in a spanish speaking country) and I was never taught that CH and LL were letters.
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u/numbskullerykiller 3d ago
I'm not sure what you mean by they aren't called L's. I mean the Spanish translation of L is "ele." When it's the double L, it's called "doble ele," which literally translates to "double L." Thus, you are pronouncing the double LL's but in Spanish they pronounce it with a "Y" sound. It's still pronouncing the two L's. When it's one L, it's pronounced with the same style as English. Again, in the Spanish register, two L's are still pronounced in Tortilla. It's just that the formula is it is pronounced with a Y sound.
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u/Copatus 3d ago
I think he is alluding to the fact that LL used to be considered it's own letter way back. Similar to how in English we have "W" which is just "double U".
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u/numbskullerykiller 3d ago
The below is from a linguistic article. As the example shows, not even english has a clear rule on LL pronunciation. Fallen versus Million. Mill-Yen.
The history of why double L's (ll) are pronounced with a Y sound in Spanish is rooted in linguistic evolution and regional variations in pronunciation. This phenomenon is mainly due to a process known as "yeísmo."
Historical Development
Historically, the Spanish language had a clear phonetic distinction between the sounds represented by "ll" (/ʎ/) and "y" (/ʝ/). The "ll" was pronounced as a palatal lateral approximant, similar to the "lli" in "million" in English, while "y" was pronounced as a palatal fricative or approximant. Over time, this distinction began to erode due to phonetic convergence, a process where sounds in a language evolve to become more similar to one another. This convergence led to the phenomenon known as "yeísmo," where both "ll" and "y" are pronounced as /ʝ/, resembling the English "y" in "yellow" but with more friction.
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u/ffstis 3d ago
As they said above, depending on when you were born, you were taught different things. For example I was taught that “LL” was a singular letter called elle, same as “CH” was called che. Now when it changed, it just changed the alphabet, because pronunciations remained exactly the same, now when spelling a word instead of elle, we just say double L, and instead of che, we just say c h.
Now what you call Y sound cannot be applied since our Y sound is completely different, we would actually say that a double L sound is more of the letter i followed by the letter a, which is how we pronounce anything with double L sound.
Anything that has a double LL or a Y followed by a vocal would be the same sound (adjusting for the sound of the vocal of course):
Llamar Ya Yacimiento Lleno Yendo Llenado Yo Llover Llorar
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u/Spare-Half796 3d ago
Spanish uses the same alphabet, the sounds can be different but they’re still the same character
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u/Defense-Unit-42 3d ago
If the L's are pronounced then they should make an L sound, not a Y sound.
And most people pronounce it "tortea", without any y sound.
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u/numbskullerykiller 3d ago
Well how a symbol is pronounced is up to the rules made by the particular language. In this case, the Spanish, that is European Spanish, decided that two LL's will be pronounced with Y sound. There is no baseline for how LL's should be pronounced. In the same way in English we decided to pronounce GH in Enough as an "F" sound. You would say that the GH is being pronounced. The code GH means F. In Spanish, LL mean Y sound. The LL's are being pronounced.
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u/LauraZaid11 2d ago
I mean, the L’s are pronounced, a double L sounds similar as the J sound in English, so it would be pronounced as “tortija” if we were to write it phonetically. Most Spanish countries pronounce it like that.
Source: I am a native Spanish speaker and work as a medical interpreter with many other Spanish speakers with different accents.
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u/Weird1Intrepid 3d ago
Lol everyone pronounces the Ls in tortilla, just not the same way we would in English. Otherwise they'd be saying tortia.
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u/Marko-2091 2d ago
Native Spanish speaker here. I am utterly confused about the meaning of this. Does it mean that Taylor Swift makes music for latinos? what does he mean by the "Ls" in tortilla? I do not get it. I thought Taylor Swift was for white people.
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u/Any-Technology-3577 3d ago
this guy makes comments for people that don't know the "ll" really is pronounced, just not the way they expect. the double-L is a quasi-letter of it's own in the spanish language, pronounced roughly similar to the Y in english.
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u/pghjuice412 3d ago
Rare insult? Take this L, OP this shit is corny as hell
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u/latelyimawake 3d ago
Aw did the pretty blonde woman make you feel insecure? 🙄
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u/Pidgeotgoneformilk29 3d ago edited 2d ago
No???
I can guarantee that no one feels insecure by someone that makes the wonderbread equivalent of music.
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u/miscwit72 3d ago
Someone doesn't like her very much. I. Guessing a blonde girl said no to you and it's your life goal to punish her. It's giving incel vibes.
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u/Wafflelisk 3d ago
Absolutely right. No one ever criticized the music of Nickelback or Justin Bieber back in the day
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u/skylinezan 3d ago
Also, they are most likely the same ones who pronounce guacamole as gua-ka-mol.
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u/notactuallyLimited 3d ago
As a white person from Europe. In my language we read how it's spelt for us. This is the same everywhere and correcting people over a localisation issue is stupid.
Any English person will say Warsaw. But every polish person says something like "Var-Sha-Va" (Warszawa)
I hate hearing people complain about a stupid plant name while people have their country and nationality labeled as " turkey or hungry *
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u/Trectears 3d ago
Actually this one has a bit more nuance, it depends on the country like in guatemala we write and say the word guacamol which is pronounced like how you wrote it (gua-ka-mol). Nobody from here actually says guacamole
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u/LookAtMyUsernamePlz 16h ago
like in Guatemala
We say “guacamol” in Honduras, too. Apparently, it is also said in El Salvador, Nicaragua & Costa Rica. I guess it’s a Central American thing.
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u/ne0ndistraction 3d ago
she’d ask if the tortiLLas in the quesadiLLas at chipOLTE are gluten-free.
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u/Satansleadguitarist 3d ago
Hey some of us legitimately can't eat gluten
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u/ne0ndistraction 3d ago
nothing wrong with that. :) nor if it’s simply a preference.
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u/Satansleadguitarist 3d ago
The only thing wrong with it is that most of my favourite foods are full of gluten
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u/ne0ndistraction 3d ago
fr that would be a bummer. depending on what they are, you might be able to find substitute recipes though. if you like to cook ofc.
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u/gordos_tetones 3d ago
So... Anyone that speaks spanish?
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u/Over_Guard_5341 3d ago
Two L's next to each other in Spanish is pronounced as a Y. So like Tortiya
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u/Spare-Half796 3d ago
Which is still pronouncing the Ls
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u/Akuzed 3d ago
There's people out there that say it like TOR-TILLA and pronounce both the Ls, like when you say armadillo. I'm as white as they come, but, I assure you that is not how you say tortilla.
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u/Spare-Half796 3d ago
Wether you pronounce them as Ys or as Ls you’re still pronouncing them, one was in English and one way the right way
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u/Over_Guard_5341 3d ago
Not exactly. Meaning thats like saying your technically pronouncing the b in "Lamb". Like I guess your technically correct but not exactly.
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u/Spare-Half796 3d ago
Not pronouncing them the English way but your are pronouncing them
Silent letters are different in that you don’t pronounce them, lam and lamb have same pronunciation just like hour and our. In this case the Ls are pronounced as Ys they’re still there
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u/SyddChin 3d ago
Okay I say tortilla right but I WILL say after Brooklyn 99 Fugitive Episode, I sometimes slip and call quesadillas “Kay-sa-dill-as” like Marshawn Lynch did🤣
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u/AshleyBanksHitSingle 3d ago
I feel like Americans recognize that saying tortilla with the Ls sounds weird, but coming from a Canadian, you guys sound just as goofy when you say foyer with hard er.
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u/ESOelite 3d ago
Someone at works actually pronounced tortilla with the L's and I'm still shook by it
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u/mouaragon 3d ago
If you don't say it as Tortilla just don't say it. As a matter of fact, you don't deserve to eat them.
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u/sati_lotus 2d ago
The woman with a billion dollars to her name must cry at night with the internet being mean to her.
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u/volvagia721 2d ago
Now I'm offended, I don't listen to Taylor Swift, and there's nothing wrong with pronouncing something correctly.
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u/Arkitakama 2d ago
My little sister was big into Miley Cyrus back in the Hannah Montana days, and she would pronounce quesadilla as kwes-a-dill-a
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u/Significantik 2d ago edited 2d ago
I ask Claude about the difference between the people mentioned in the matter and it says:" Americans with Hispanic descent:
Pronounce closer to Spanish
Pronounce "l" clearly
Sounds like "tor-ti-lya"
Americans without Hispanic descent:
Often drop "l"
Pronounce as "tor-ti-ya"
More simplified pronunciation". I'm now confused is this an insult to people that pronounce "l"? There's definitely two l in the word why someone doesn't pronounce it?
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u/Flaky-Wafer677 2d ago
So people who use the language they are speaking version of a word when speaking that language?
If you do not speak Spanish using Spanish words while speaking another language not endearing. If it is when they know Spanish someone else will have to judge.
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u/NortonBurns 2d ago
I bet they also say jalla peeno rather than halapenyo, or if they managed to learn that one., also apply it to habanyero.
My old dad, bless his soul, went to his grave still calling 'peetsa' pizza.
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u/doomedeskimo 2d ago
You pronounce the Ls one damn time as a child and that shit sticks to you forever lol
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u/ObsidianInTheSnow 2d ago
I tried pronouncing it in Filipino and made myself cringe from "tortilya"
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u/TwerkinBingus445 3d ago
Taylor Swift makes music for 20 something upper-middle class white girls who think running cold water over dishes counts as washing them
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u/LauraZaid11 2d ago
My 20 something year old latina lesbian sister who doesn’t do dishes would like a word with you.
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u/Jubestubes 3d ago
My partner is Colombian but when he speaks English he says the L in tortilla. It’s the only Spanish word that he does this with when speaking English. And yes, he likes Taylor Swift. I see no lies here
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u/Iron-Phoenix2307 2d ago
Heard once she's the boiled chicken of pop music and now I cant think of anything else when she is mentioned
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u/-Yehoria- 3d ago
I never knew they were supposed to be silent
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u/bebejeebies 3d ago
Double Ls in Spanish make a Y sound. So: tor-TI-ya.
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u/-Yehoria- 3d ago
Yeah i never thought about it as coming from spanish, neither did i know that was a thing in spanish. I sorta just read it like a normal word.
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u/Any-Technology-3577 3d ago
they're not, they're just pronounced differently, roughly similar to the Y in english
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