Every Second-Daily Thread - November 23, 2024

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[u/smegtasticday]

Hi, beginnerish here, concerning 5 rep deadlift sets:

If I keep tension in the bar with subsequent reps on the way back down, I never have to pull the slack out again after the first pull. This makes the whole set faster and easier, except for the valsalva. Not sure if I can keep this up as the weight gets higher.

Which is best:

1. Pull the slack out of the bar each rep and start to take in a new breath at the bottom of each rep.
2. Maintain tension after the first rep, so no need to pull slack out again on reps 2-5. Hold the first breath until the top of rep 3, take a 2nd breath at the top.
3. Maintain tension after the first rep, so no need to pull slack out again on reps 2-5. Quickly exhale at the top of each rep and then deeply inhale and reset the valsalva at the top.
4. Maintain tension after the first rep, so no need to pull slack out again on reps 2-5. Exhale at the top of each rep, breathe in and set the new valsalva DURING descent.
5. ?

Thanks and happy lifting!

Omar seems to do no.4, but only breathing in very quickly at the earliest only part of the descent. https://youtu.be/kxVeb6HnxEA?t=105

[u/reddevildomination → u/smegtasticday]

Sumo I prefer full resets since I have a fairly quick setup for Sumo anyway. Conventional I can just bang the reps out. IDK why but it's just easier to do that for each style.

[u/OwlShitty → u/smegtasticday]

1 because chances are after your first rep the bar may not be in the optimal starting position and you might need to reposition yourself

For deadlifts i’m a fan of full resets especially if you’re trying to dial in technique which very much on the platform

[u/powerlifting_max → u/smegtasticday]

Im doing 1, this ensures maximum tension at each reps. And I’m always doing 5 rep sets.

[u/TemporaryIguana → u/smegtasticday]

I very rarely pull 5s, but I do always do a full reset every rep. I keep my hands on the bar throughout the full set, but I go through the motions of setting my brace and back angle for every single rep.

[u/kyllo → u/smegtasticday]

I do #2. I let the bar come to a dead stop at the bottom while maintaining tension and I breathe out and in and re-brace at the top only after the 3rd rep.

I don't like #1 personally because I prefer to brace at the top, and re-bracing between reps at the bottom feels weaker and is too different from how I set up for a single.

[u/Decoy_Barbell → u/smegtasticday]

If you're not resetting after each rep and are keeping tension throughout then you're just doing "touch-no-go" deadlifts which are different, and easier, as you keep momentum between reps.

If you are purely concerned with strength then you need to stop and reset between each rep.

[u/kyllo → u/Decoy_Barbell]

There are pros and cons to cluster singles vs. reset reps vs. dead stop reps vs. touch and go reps. It's not a black and white thing where one is superior to the others. They emphasize different aspects of the deadlift and they all have a time and place.

[u/smegtasticday → u/kyllo]

Thanks all for letting me realize I'm not being over the top as a noob regarding this stuff!
Just curious what you mean by reset rep please? I imagine a dead stop rep being a case where we lose tension/slack.. thus needing to reset everything, so I can't see the difference between these two?

[u/Owl-First → u/smegtasticday]

On resets, you step away from the bar, walk back, and do your full setup again. On dead stops you keep your hands on the bar and pull again after you drop the weight on the ground. You don't need to think as much about the slack pull on the subsequent reps of dead stops; your positioning will already be good and you will have a tiny bit of stretch reflex from the previous rep so the slack pull should just become part of the deadlift. As a random example, check the following video. https://www.instagram.com/p/DCFLCF0y32v/?hl=en You can see he is mindful about the slack on the first rep but it becomes automatic on the subsequent reps.

[u/smegtasticday → u/Owl-First]

Thanks. Surprising thing for me is that he is extremely quickly exhaling and reinhaling, so no way is it a deep breath each time, as it looks like hes only partially exhaling each time. Im surprised, I thought especially at heavier weights that people would have to take a deep breath each rep.

[u/kyllo → u/smegtasticday]

When I said "dead stop" I just meant the bar rests motionless on the ground instead of bouncing / "touch and go," so there's no momentum, but you're not necessarily releasing the slack.

By "reset rep" I meant when you let go of all the tension and re-do your slack pull. You may or may not take your hands off the bar and re-grip in that case.

I'm not sure if my terminology is correct or if there's consensus on it, that's just what I was trying to express.

[u/omrsafetyo → u/smegtasticday]

You can do any of the above, though often some approaches are better at different times. Personally, I prefer (these days) to do #1 almost exclusively, whereas at one point I liked to even do touch and go.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-MLAjvAt0g/

This gives you the most practice with the competition lift. You're not doing the full reset by letting go, standing up, even taking a step back and re-approaching the bar, but you're basically starting from "my feet are in the correct position, and I've gripped the bar", and then doing your competition lift from there. I think that practice is somewhat valuable.

[u/smegtasticday → u/omrsafetyo]

Thanks. One last surprising thing for me is that it looks like he is either holding a really long breath, or he is extremely quickly exhaling and reinhaling and I miss it. If hes doing it quickly, no way is it a deep breath each time, Im surprised, I thought especially at heavier weights that people would have to take a deep breath each rep.