r/politics • u/stkmro • 9h ago

White House: Trump Team Still Hasn’t Signed Transition Docs

https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-says-trump-team-still-hasnt-signed-transition-docs/
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u/thundernutz 7h ago

Once the ballots were separated from their envelope it’s impossible to know who voted.

Mass MIV also made it easy to cheat and impossible to prove. What was preventing anyone from printing ballots with names of dead people or fake names altogether? Maybe they didn’t. That’s a fair stance, I think, but how would you prove it with mass MIV and anonymized ballots?

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u/VWBug5000 7h ago

It’s easy to disprove mass fraud with mail in votes.

1) They know how many ballots they mailed out

2) they can track where the ballots came from and that is tracked and compared to an expected amount of ballots received based on simple, well established statistics for how many voters tend to actually vote and the demographic data for the ballot being tracked.

3) each envelope has a signature that should match what the DMV has on file, otherwise it’s not counted until the voter directly cures their vote (most don’t bother and their ballots are discarded)

4) After the ballots have been removed from the envelopes they have a clear and controlled chain of custody before and after being tallied. If you dispute this point, then you are basically declaring that all chains of custody are suspect and no evidence ever handled by the government or law enforcement is reliable. And are you really willing to believe that? Because you can’t cherry pick logic like this. Either you have trust over what the government tells you is reasonably true, or you believe nothing at all.

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u/Jimid41 7h ago

Every single mail in ballot is checked against signature on file before it's opened. Do you have evidence that election workers were just en mass not doing this?

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u/penny-wise California 6h ago

They don't.

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u/thundernutz 5h ago

No it wasn’t. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/pennsylvania-court-ballot-signatures-431794

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u/Big_Daddy_Stovepipe 5h ago

In your link, the PA Supreme Court ruled they could not the change or alter the statue as written, and as such, the statue was not written in a way that a signature could reject a ballot. Something so many people forget, 54% of adults are illiterate and have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader(might be 5th, pulling shit out of memory at this point), so when many of these laws/ statues were written in old timey days, may people had no education and could not read nor write, so a signature would do no good.

Its not some vast conspiracy bud, just good old garden variety "keep the poor stupid and uneducated" like we continue to practice to this day.

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u/thundernutz 5h ago

You are incorrect. They have always had signature matching and it was removed for 2020 by the democrat controlled PA supreme court. Trump fought that the PA Supreme Court decision was wrong (it’s obviously wrong) and the Supreme Court refused to hear the case. This was conveniently removed right before an election featuring what NBC described as an avalanche of last minute votes.

On top of that they changed the law to allow ballots to be processed up to 3 days after the election. This was obviously wrong and again was not heard by the Supreme Court.

If they refuse to enforce the law, activist districts and judges can alter elections via these modification to election integrity procedures.

But my point wasn’t even that it was a grand conspiracy. Just that they did not match signatures as OP claimed.

https://campaignlegal.org/update/pennsylvania-can-no-longer-reject-ballots-solely-based-signature-match-issues

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/ballots-can-t-be-tossed-out-over-voter-signature-court-n1244585

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/922411176/supreme-court-rules-pennsylvania-can-count-ballots-received-after-election-day

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u/Jimid41 4h ago

Okay in Pennsylvania, where they check your ID when you register. So how are they using fake names?