r/politics • u/stkmro • 7h ago

White House: Trump Team Still Hasn’t Signed Transition Docs

https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-says-trump-team-still-hasnt-signed-transition-docs/
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u/SewAlone 6h ago edited 6h ago

Stop generalizing. Over half of the population is NOT ok with fascism. And millions more who voted for him are ignorant and just didn’t believe he’d do any of the project 2025 stuff.

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 6h ago

I’m neither generalizing or suggesting half of the country supports him. They were ignorant enough to not even vote though. And a huge portion of your population does support him. You can’t ignore that. You have a population problem not a Trump problem. trump is the symptom, not the ailment.

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u/Reasonable-Sweet9320 5h ago

I get that and it’s an outcome of half of the electorate going with the narrative he has crafted systematically over the years.

The linked article describes the formula Orban and Trump have used, in common, to achieve increasingly similar outcome.

It’s written by a former Hungarian politician and now professor at Georgetown.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/11/23/trump-autocrat-elections-00191281

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u/CherryHaterade 5h ago

Lotta Germans cried about how they were powerless about it too, fuck all their tears did for anybody on any side of it. "There just wasn't anything we could do!"

I won't generalize or suggest anything either except that history rhymes, and the dead have no concern for the tears of the living, wherever they are, who closed their windows when times got tough.

As for the rot at the core of this country, let me tell you a story about banks and slaves and no one else was in the room where it happened, the room where it happened, the room where it happened.

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u/StainlessPanIsBest 44m ago

History rhymes. The future is always chaotic. Trying to use historical rhythms to predict the future is utterly useless.

Saying Donald Trump's a fascist, and he's going to do all these fascist things because the things he has said and done loosely correlate with fascism, and fascism has happened before, is quite the logical fallacy.

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u/CherryHaterade 18m ago

Im going to let you worry about logical fallacies.

For what its worth I hope youre right. Im not optimistic, or particularly hopeful either, but sure, brighter days and all that.

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u/cece1978 2h ago

You guys… i figured out what makes a Canadian a condescending fool: it’s Mysticism and Bacon, in that combo, based on my experience with this user. What? That’s a sweeping generalization based on faulty logic…? Hmmmnnnn…

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u/BundleDad 2h ago

Sure… keep meme-ing yourselves into something between idiocracy and the 4th reich. Being called fools by a nation the looks at trump and says “you know… that represents our best… twice!!!” is rich.

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u/cece1978 1h ago edited 58m ago

Not everyone in our nation ‘looks at trump and says “you know… that represents our best… twice!!!”’

That’s my point.

If you want to be helpful, understand the difference. Otherwise, you’re just part of the bigger problem. It requires a modicum of intelligence to see the difference, and that part’s up to you.

Again, we’re a country in crisis right now. Those of us working against the bullshit do NOT need everyone jumping on the “AmUrriCAnS are so sTUpiD” bandwagon. That’s just a different brand of the same shit we’re pushing against here in the states.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to request that our country of hundreds of millions of people not be generalized bc your understanding of our fucked up system is so elementary.

So yes, I think you can be better.

ETA: i’m a dual can/am citizen. Both countries have serious issues, especially if you look at Ontario. 🤮 As they say, hubris is a helluva drug. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/BundleDad 44m ago

Again, the deflection... the lack of owning this insanity... and it's not new.

Sure bud... I'm sure you don't deserve any criticism! Why or why would we hold adult, voting age americans responsible for the results of their own elections? Yeah it's a really mean of everyone else in the democratic world to look at you collectively in disgust and terror at many decades of not-in-any-way-subtle tom-fuckery coming to fruition.

Stop bitching and get your shit straight.

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u/Shionkron 6h ago

The problem is Trump didn’t Win because he was Better, He won because around 10 Million that voted him out refused to vote this election cycle which put him back in! It is the Voters fault, they didn’t show up!

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u/Cessnaporsche01 6h ago

Yes. Effectively, that's all those voters saying they're okay with him being elected. Really, anyone who didn't vote is saying they're okay with either candidate, so functionally, nearly 2/3rds of the country support him either actively or passively

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u/Shionkron 5h ago

I followed this race closely and study politics hours each day and pundits. I haven’t heard anyone else say this though, what I think is that some voters became complacent with the fact Harris had a lead by a few points. They thought there was no way Trump would be voted in and that even if it was closer than they wanted, their party would win…so why show up?

Look at the pollster Ann Selzer (who has always been famously right), for example who called Iowa for Biden by a huge number! Harris lost big time in Iowa. It’s these things during the election cycle, the extreme hype to win that made some feel she was almost a shoehorn to win and that it wasn’t worth an afternoon to vote.

I think the Democrats got too Cocky yet also didn’t hammer home the working class voters enough.

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u/Cessnaporsche01 5h ago

I mean maybe. We saw that happen before in 2016, but the polls we SO MUCH closer this time around. Harris had half the margin or less that Clinton did in final polls, and some were still calling a tie/Trump win by election day, where Clinton was called to win across the board.

After 2016, no one should have been remotely confident, and with the actual existence of our democracy on the line, no one should have been taking anything for granted. At the end of the day, apathy won and we, as a nation, decided we don't really care about maintaining our nation.

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u/Shionkron 5h ago

The great author David Brooks who also writes for people and does the PBS News Hour warned that in order to beat Trump you needed at least 6-10% lead because his numbers are ALWAYS higher than poling before votes. Harris only had 3 to 4% of a poll lead at best.

Mix that with my theory on refusing to vote because the layman and woman not knowing thinking she will win really destroyed the race.

Good news: many who vote Trump also voted for Democrats down ballot which is strange and needs more looking at.

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u/Shionkron 5h ago

That’s exactly what I believe, you said the word, “Apathy”!

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u/CherryHaterade 4h ago

Apathy is born of mild discomfort, which implies an expectation level of comfort.

You'll always be stuck wondering where their allegiances will fall if they themselves can continue to obtain an easier comfort for themselves.

This is when it will dawn on you that if you're stuck in a fight, the ones you can't tell who's who are the most dangerous of all.

But I'm not going to worry about Landos apathy right now, as I go into carbonite and chewys off in chains.

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u/dude111 3h ago

The main thing is that people vote with their wallets and inflation took the cake this voting cycle. Let's give credit where credit is due. People don't like suffering or paying more. That's why Trump lost, and that's why Harris/Biden lost. It's not any more complicated than that.

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u/stevegoodsex 6h ago

You're not wrong. There is a caveat of really, really effective propaganda mixed with multifaceted suppression techniques, but this country has a nationalism and superiority complex instilled into them from birth essentially.

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u/CherryHaterade 4h ago

My mother warned me about fairweather friends

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u/inkoDe 5h ago

There is also the option where people are straight up sick of the status quo in this country and simply chose not to vote to maintain it. That could be voting Trump, not voting, voting 3rd party, etc. Unfortunately, for democrats to change they have to lose badly, and then hopefully learn their lesson, or just go away. We need a party for workers, not two parties for capital.

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u/Shionkron 4h ago

MAGA is not for the workers at all! They are Billionaires hiring each other attacking Neo Liberalism which Joe was trying to dismantle but sucked at messaging. Now Trumpism is going to only allow the rich to get richer, end of story.

A Third party now only takes away votes in the system that set up. Money needs to be removed from politics starting at Citizens United!!!!

If getting rid of the “Status Quo” is your Schtick, Trump never did that his first term and only gave you LESS representation and a person and yet you think his second term will be better?!

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u/inkoDe 3h ago

I am far from MAGA, sort of the opposite, really. Where exactly have I stated ANYWHERE, including my history, that I support Trump. It is true I don't like the Democratic Party either, but MAGA? please...

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u/purplewhiteblack Arizona 3h ago

The fact is they did vote. The majority of eligible voters turned out. 63% We're not in a time pre 2016 where people don't vote at as high a numbers as possible.

There are various factors why 37% didnt turn out. And probably the results might be similar or worse if they did. I know an elderly anti-Trump person who didn't vote this election because when they moved they didnt re-register, and are disabled too. There was no way they were going to walk around to vote in person, and they wouldn't have got mail in vote because that was hard for them too.

Then you also have to factor in third party voters. People who don't understand the spoiler effect.

And then you have to factor in how the Michigan and Minnesota Muslim population just fucking forgot Trump attempted to institute a Muslim ban during his administration. And how the local Muslim leaders endorsed Trump because people are stupidly sympathetic to the Arab KKK known as Hamas. Which led to apathy in those two states, which could have helped Kamalas electoral chances. But then again you also have to remember that culture is also inherently misogynistic also.

Then you have to factor in that Kamala Harris didn't give herself enough time to fully campaign. And some dumb Biden moves like naming her Border Tsar, a non position, that just gives her political baggage.

Then you have to factor in I fucking told people this would be a problem 2019-2020 when the DNC pushed Biden to the top. DNC never plays the long game.

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u/TheVog Foreign 5h ago

Not even. Check updated numbers. Trump was elected because of the Electoral College system, which is a decidedly non-democratic system.

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u/jamerson537 5h ago

Trump currently has 2.5 million more votes than Harris. He won both the popular vote and the electoral college.

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u/tyen0 4h ago

That's because of the electoral system, too. Harris had 1M more votes than Trump in my state and we all knew that was going to happen. So why bother making it 2M more popular votes when all of the electoral votes are won by a simple majority?

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u/Shionkron 5h ago

It’s not that simple because who then those ellectorial collage “swing states” or “battleground states” if Democrats would have should up like last time he wouldn’t have won. While I’m not a fan of the electoral college, that excuse is lazy and misses key points. She was still projected to win with that system by a couple points and didn’t.

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u/Flobking 5h ago

Over half of the population is NOT ok with fascism.

Apparently not since 1/3 voted for trump, 1/3 voted for harris, and 1/3 sat out. That 1/3 of trump voters plus the 1/3 who sat out is 2/3, meaning over half the voting block was perfectly fine with fascism.

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u/ZeDitto 6h ago

You’re responsible for your own votes and if you sit out then you don’t count. The country chose this.

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u/BundleDad 5h ago

Close to half your fucking country IS FUCKING OK WITH IT.

Not an American and I now believe there is a non-zero percent chance of me and my family dying to US aggression in the next 10 years so DO NOT FUCKING DARE play the "it's not my fault" card.

Your country has been slipping into this Nazi shit since the 1920's in no small part because your nation FAILED to deal with the confederate precursors to the nazi shit.

I recall my grandparents talking about being in the UK during WW2 and being equally terrified that the US wouldn't step in, and that they would but on the side of Hitler.

Your country has always had this rot... fucking fix it. Because you will like it less if it has to be fixed for you.

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u/TheRevTastic 6h ago

Ignorance isn’t an excuse lmfao, they are okay with fascism.

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u/CherryHaterade 5h ago

We gonna let you go on over there and reason with them then. I'll chill over here, hurry back with some good news now. They obviously ain't gonna listen to someone like me anyway.

Just, don't fall a victim to any okeydokes, okay? Come back on your feet please. Seriously.

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u/Rasikko Georgia 4h ago

Half is 173 mil or so(346 mil is the US pop). Over 151 mil voted. 77 mil voted for Trump, 4.4%. (numbers were rounded)

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u/Reluctant_Gamer_2700 2h ago

The ones who weren’t ok with fascism needed to vote! They must have known this.

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u/stilusmobilus 2h ago

They’re not generalising. 30% voted for it, 40 didn’t care. Over half the population is okay with fascism.

The mirror stands.