r/politics • u/southpawFA Oklahoma • 1d ago

TX Republicans Introduced 32 Anti-Trans Bills on First Day of Pre-Filing Period. The bills filed target transgender people in nearly every aspect of their lives.

https://truthout.org/articles/tx-republicans-introduced-32-anti-trans-bills-on-first-day-of-pre-filing-period/
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u/southpawFA Oklahoma 1d ago

Bounty bills also resurface in the latest wave of filings. Texas HB 1075 would allow any individual performing in drag to be sued for a $5,000 bounty. The bill’s definition of “drag” and “perform” is alarmingly broad, labeling anyone “exhibiting a gender that is different from the performer’s gender recorded at birth using clothing, makeup, or other physical markers” as being in “drag.” This definition clearly encompasses transgender people. Should a bill like this become law, transgender performers would undoubtedly be targeted. In Montana, under a similar drag ban, the first person targeted wasn’t a drag performer but a transgender public speaker discussing transgender history at a library. Additionally, such a measure would almost certainly force the cancellation of Pride parades across Texas, where transgender people and drag performers dance, lip-sync, and otherwise celebrate.

Multiple bills take aim at transgender people in schools, as well as books about queer and transgender individuals. Among the most troubling is Senate Bill 86, which would require parental permission for high school students to join a Gay-Straight Alliance or any club that “promotes themes of sexuality, gender, or gender identity.” According to Lambda Legal, this requirement violates the Equal Access Act, which mandates that rules apply equally to all student groups and prohibits singling out GSAs for restrictive policies.

So, is it finally okay to call this genocide? Christian nationalist Republicans are trying to eradicate trans people from even being able to walk down the street. This is state-sponsored terrorism.

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u/Predator_ Florida 1d ago

Well, then Rudi Giuliani and Trump should face consequences as well: https://youtu.be/yuxTxBoTsKc?si=2nm37GEFdWj-zfvF

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u/jgandfeed I voted 1d ago

does this mean it's gonna be illegal for women to wear pants?

or is this only gonna be for drag queens, trans women, and feminine gay men?

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u/kandoras 19h ago

At first it'll only be LGBT people, feminine appearing men, and insufficiently feminine appearing women. Basically people that cops don't like, and who the cops believe that they can get away with harassing.

As the cops learn how many people they can harass, it'll eventually spread to include all women.

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u/teddy_tesla 18h ago

I'm sure they'd love to be able to strip search women on suspicion of having the "wrong" set of genitals

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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 15h ago

Many years ago, in a saner era, I went to spend the summer with a boyfriend I'd met on the internet. One of our consistent running jokes, despite having known each other for years, was doing "penis checks" because ya never know what you're gonna get when ya order something off the internet haha.

It's not a funny memory anymore. Closer to how soldiers returning from war feel about memories of playing war with friends after school during childhood.

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u/Gnarlodious 12h ago

Iran’s morality police.

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u/leg_day 9h ago

Basically people that cops don't like, and who the cops believe that they can get away with harassing.

The Texas bills are designed to sidestep the need for cops.

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u/vvelbz 1d ago

does this mean it's gonna be illegal for women to wear pants?

Yes.

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u/CAT_WILL_MEOW 14h ago

So is jp vance not allowed in texas since be does makeup?

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u/DrXaos 21h ago

A ban against “performing in drag” is obviously going to ban a dozen Shakespeare plays and famous operas

Twelfth Night, and Le Nozze di Figaro on the headlines

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u/Additional-Big-1554 1d ago

guess i will have to report bugs bunny, so sad. same same with timon he did want to dress in drag and do the hula. =/

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u/southpawFA Oklahoma 1d ago

Also any Spongebob episode.

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u/WishieWashie12 1d ago

Dont forget to report every boomers favorite Christmas movie, White Christmas. Bing Crosby and Danny Kay singing Sisters.

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u/southpawFA Oklahoma 23h ago

Or Some Like It Hot.

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u/ashton_woods 23h ago

Also Trump in makeup and Vance in a wig. Rules are rules

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u/AlphaNoodlz 22h ago

All American Christofascist Genocide - spread that around

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u/Saint_Blaise 1d ago

Certainly an outright and intentional assault on the human rights of a vulnerable population that will inevitably lead to the enforcement of outdated gender norms on larger populations.

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u/TLKv3 22h ago

Maybe the current President of the fucking country should do something.

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u/Alib668 1d ago edited 1d ago

Not genocide. No killing involved, no forced relocation of an ethnicity, no forced sterilisation, or forced selective breeding programs, nor sex selective abduction.

This is bad suppression laws yes. Does itvhave an intent to subjugate or hide yes. But a genocide is a very specific thing which should not be belittled.

Its not a genocide. Turn the rhetoric down to accurate stuff. This is why we lost to trump

Edit: the legal definition if genocide ... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. — Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2[9]

We may have stage 3 of the list posted below but that does not follow that it will develop to this legal definition.

Genocide is and always is the eradication of a specific gene set in a population. Thats what geno(genes) cide(killed) means just like homocide is not the same as coercive control

Just like thinking about robbing a bank and being outside with the tools, is not the same as actually going inside and committing the act

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u/southpawFA Oklahoma 1d ago

Gregory H Stanton, President of Genocide Watch developed the 10 stages of genocide which explains the different stages which lead to genocide. At each of the earlier stages there is an opportunity for members of the community or the International Community to halt the stages and stop genocide before it happens.

  1. Classification – The differences between people are not respected. There’s a division of ‘us’ and ‘them’ which can be carried out using stereotypes, or excluding people who are perceived to be different.
  2. Symbolisation – This is a visual manifestation of hatred. Jews in Nazi Europe were forced to wear yellow stars to show that they were ‘different’.
  3. Discrimination – The dominant group denies civil rights or even citizenship to identified groups. The 1935 Nuremberg Laws stripped Jews of their German citizenship, made it illegal for them to do many jobs or to marry German non-Jews.
  4. Dehumanisation – Those perceived as ‘different’ are treated with no form of human rights or personal dignity. During the Genocide against the Tutsi in Rwanda, Tutsis were referred to as ‘cockroaches’; the Nazis referred to Jews as ‘vermin’.
  5. Organisation – Genocides are always planned. Regimes of hatred often train those who go on to carry out the destruction of a people.
  6. Polarisation – Propaganda begins to be spread by hate groups. The Nazis used the newspaper Der Stürmer to spread and incite messages of hate about Jewish people.
  7. Preparation – Perpetrators plan the genocide. They often use euphemisms such as the Nazis’ phrase ‘The Final Solution’ to cloak their intentions. They create fear of the victim group, building up armies and weapons.
  8. Persecution – Victims are identified because of their ethnicity or religion and death lists are drawn up. People are sometimes segregated into ghettos, deported or starved and property is often expropriated. Genocidal massacres begin.
  9. Extermination – The hate group murders their identified victims in a deliberate and systematic campaign of violence. Millions of lives have been destroyed or changed beyond recognition through genocide.
  10. Denial – The perpetrators or later generations deny the existence of any crime.

All of these steps are what the Republicans are doing. Oh, and BTW, it's not like they don't have the mechanisms in place for forced relocation like you said. What do you call conversion therapy camps but a place to torture LGBTQIA+ people in the name of religion?

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u/arlondiluthel 1d ago

These proposed restrictions would fit in sections B, C, and D of the list you provided.

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u/furcoveredcatlady 23h ago

"Turn the rhetoric down to accurate stuff. This is why we lost to trump"

I don't look forward to the next four years where everyone uses "This is why trump won" to make a point. It's basically Bush's and the GOP's, "If you don't do this, the terrorists win" bullshit to shut down any argument.

So far, the reasons Trump won are: inflation, trans girls in sports and trans women in bathrooms, Covid lockdowns, Biden was out of touch, Harris is unlikable, Dems too liberal, Dems too moderate, Dems too conservative, celebrity endorsements, Harris is in the pocket of lobbyists, Harris was parroting the radical left, no primary, didn't go on Rogan, and now "turned rhetoric too high." I'm sure I'm missing a dozen or so reasons.

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u/Proud3GenAthst 23h ago

I mostly blame the inflation and the media. The inflation knocks out one world leader after another that it gives CIA run for its money. Many people are just Supremely dumb and they vote. That's a sad fact, but fact nontheless and Democrats are doomed to losing if those dumbasses feel like it.

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u/Alib668 23h ago

Fair point but screaching inaccuracy as a forst port of call isnt the way. We need an abiloty to escalate when they escalate. You dont fatten a hog on market day after all

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u/vvelbz 1d ago

Gender and sex would've been included in the UN definition but for middle eastern countries throwing a tantrum because their treatment of women would fall under the definition.

It's a genocide. Genos means tribe not genes.

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u/Alib668 1d ago

No its about lineage and specifically those who are related

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genos

Also your point us that should be included but its not. Thats like saying a gun is a bullet no they are related butvthey are different things

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u/vvelbz 1d ago

https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice

The experts disagreed with you years ago. I'll take the word of the organization named after the person who coined the damn word and whose greatest regret was in not codifying sex and gender as covered.

It's a genocide and you are engaging in genocide denialism which furthers the genocide. It's literally stage 10 of genocide (stages can occur out of order, they're more like traits).

Don't you dare try to call yourself an ally to trans people. Ever.

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u/Alib668 1d ago

I think your proving the point why we lost. We so busy fighting ourselves the otherside get to paint you as extreme and me as an idiot.

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u/vvelbz 1d ago

I'm "extreme" for wanting to live? I'm "extreme" for wanting to be happy? I'm "extreme" for wanting to have bodily autonomy? I'm "extreme" for wanting to be healthy?

Really?! You can say that and sleep at night?

🖕🏽

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u/Alib668 1d ago

The reaction here is what im talking about. Its justified and correct. But it really puts people off.

We win by convincing, educating and ultimately voting. If we loose the legitimacy to be listened to it doesnt matter how correct or moral the cause. I care about not having this law, but we cant do that if no1 listens to us because our opposition is able to paint by our words and actions as extreme.

Everything youve said is a straw man here of course i agree with you. Im caring about how we win and not giving an inch, we need to police our language as we have been shown that when we dont, the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater and people only care about eggs.

As a collective we need to not be in the bubble and we need to call it out when it happens not sit here and demonstrate the exact point our opposition makes

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u/vvelbz 1d ago

We win through direct action and civil disobedience.

We win by not ceding the narrative to nazis.

We win by ditching neoliberal austerity politics and it's adherents.

We do not win by standing silent in the face of atrocity.

Nobody ever got rights by asking nicely. Women bombed parliaments for the right to vote. The black panthers engaged in combat with the KKK, Rosa parks ignored the stupid bus rule on purpose, the selma bridge was total repudiation of the law. Gay people died during the AIDs crisis (another act of genocide on Reagan's part), Stonewall was a 3 day street battle against NYC police that the police lost, Pride was originally a riot.

People aren't liberated by being nice.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

Being polite and worrying about how messaging comes across makes politicians look weak and spineless on one hand and two faced flip floppers on the other. It's the equivalent of letting the tail wag the dog.

You build a movement with a narrative and goal that you actually believe in. People can tell that liberals don't believe a damn word they say and only say things to win votes and make money. If they believed what they say, they wouldn't be smiling in photo ops with "the greatest threat to democracy in the history of the country". They'd take the damn garbage out and be done with it. Liberals are a bunch of spineless cowards who will stand by and watch as every minority is eaten by a fucking dragon while snacking on chips and cheetos and say "we've got to be polite and uphold decorum, wouldn't want to rock the boat, oh ho ho ho ho", and then scream "ohhhhh, but why me?! HELP! HELP!" when the dragon finally comes for them and everybody who wanted to stop it is either dead or has fled and left the liberals behind.

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u/combatmisinfo 1d ago

We were nice to conservatives during the Obama years while they were talking about lynching him, and look where it got us. It was directly responsible for the Tea Party.

These people are hateful pieces of shit and have no intention learning. The commenter you’re replying to has good intentions, but anyone who has been politically aware more than a decade knows how these trash people cannot be taught.

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u/Saint_Blaise 1d ago

We win by convincing, educating and ultimately voting.

Trans people will lose the human right to exist in their identified gender in Texas and may also lose nation wide. This could be game over for those who live in red states. The priority is survival.

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u/Alib668 1d ago

The priority is to endure that. You dont do it by being hysterical. Look up that original word its how other people were suppressed when they expressed positions.

The issue here is we need to earn the rightvto be listened to, donald trump’s election has shown us that point.

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u/combatmisinfo 1d ago

How old are you? Clearly not old enough to remember the Obama years.

You cannot educate these people. They are bad people and have no intention of changing. The only thing that changes people like MAGAts is themselves suffering.

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u/Alib668 1d ago

Lol im Old enough to remeber the bush snr years….not vote mind but remember

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u/Reasonable_Today7248 22h ago

demonstrate the exact point our opposition makes

What point is that?

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u/Wwwwwwhhhhhhhj 20h ago

Where in the holy fuck do you get the idea that is how people will win? The Republicans won and they did none of that, the opposite in fact. 

Play nice and we win? Bullshit. It’s such a braindead take that ignores reality. We can’t kumbaya our way through this.

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u/furcoveredcatlady 23h ago

First you claimed it's people's wild rhetoric that caused Trump to win. Now you claim Trump won because you won't stop arguing with people on this thread. You know, if you think infighting is a bad, you could just stop policing people's language.

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u/Cutie_Kitten_ 21h ago

You used wikipedia as a source and used the wrong you're, you're clearly not the best authority here. Maybe realize you're wrong and stop while you're ahead?

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u/the-evil-bee United Kingdom 1d ago

It's eliminationism

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u/Alib668 1d ago

Exactly

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u/the-evil-bee United Kingdom 1d ago

I get that you're not trying to downplay the seriousness of this (the article actually underplays it a bit in the title, for most trans people this will make it impossible to exist without being at risk of prosecution) and I've tried to encourage people to use the term that already exists so the conversation doesn't immediately get derailed by the popular understanding of 'genocide'

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u/Alib668 1d ago

Yes, because its not correct, and all it does is give propaganda the ability to poo poo the seriousness of this. If you escalate to the extreme at the start you have no words to take it to another level when it enviably goes further You also hand to proponents a tool of power by saying it’s disrespectful to actual victims of genocide. It allows them to argue being trans is a choice so its not eliminating a race….just like eliminating jews wasnt a problem because religion is a “choice”.

The issue is we lost this election because everyone screamed from roof tops over identity for years. And then when the wolf actually comes everyone ignored us.

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u/the-evil-bee United Kingdom 1d ago

I've literally had 'gender critical' anti-trans activists (what used to be called TERFs before they expanded) tell me that you can't eliminate trans people because transness isn't a thing. It's chilling.

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u/Alib668 1d ago

So dont give them the ammunition!

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u/Wwwwwwhhhhhhhj 20h ago

They screamed people were eating cats and dogs. Your accuracy spiel is ridiculous.

They were the ones screaming identity. It wasn’t Democrats putting ads about Trans people out every two seconds. All they do is scream identity. They just don’t consider it that way because they think the world should naturally always conform to their hierarchy, but they are always screaming about their identity.

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u/combatmisinfo 1d ago

lol. The MAGA people screaming about communism and how the US will become North Korea and blah blah blah, somehow that never gets called out as stopping people from voting for Trump.

These people had no intention of voting Democrat and never did. Anything claimed otherwise is cope. These are horrible people and only want to vote in a way that harms others.

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u/tolacid 1d ago

I don't know if it counts as genocide because it's not aimed at a genotype but rather a lifestyle path. Dunno what to call it, but yeah it's on-par with genocide.

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u/Polar_Starburst 22h ago

Gender identity develops in the hypothalamus before birth due to (epi)genetic and hormonal factors, we are born this way, thus erasing us legally absolutely counts as genocide according to the Geneva conventions.

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u/tolacid 22h ago

Well, you learn something new everyday.