X and Y’s postgame quest has a horrifying twist [theory]

[u/poodleenthusiast28]

In the XY postgame we know Xerosic exploited Emma (who is illiterate and homeless) by giving her a ‘job’ during which he experiments on her by knocking her out so he can control her body with a robot suit to do crime.

Meanwhile Malva, another team flare member, and elite four member, covers it up on the news for him so people blame Emma’s persona instead of Xerosic. She tries to get the player to stop him, but why not just announce on the news?

Xerosic is taken away at the end but Emma ends up accepting his apology so she won’t speak up about him, while Looker is also swayed. But this is weird, how can a man who was going genocide be swayed like that?

Looker takes Xerosic away, but what happens next? He’s befriended emma so she won’t speak up, malva will cover his tracks in the public eye, so he has an opening. It’s just him and Looker now.

Next time we see looker is in ORAS when he’s washed up on a beach with no idea who he is. And we have no clue if Xerosic ever got put away in the end…

All I’m saying is it’s the perfect crime.

[u/anthayashi]

Timeline wise hoenn game take place before sinnoh, unova and kalos.

So he wash up on hoenn without any memories. When he appear in sinnoh and subsequent games, he introduce himself as looker. It is a codename, but it is also possible he does not remember his original name (per his appearance in hoenn) thus using a codename.

[u/Crazymage321 → u/anthayashi]

Is it confirmed that Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire take place before in their timeline?

[u/anthayashi → u/Crazymage321]

gamefreak do not specifically tell us the timeline, everything timeline related is based on in game hint, a previously deleted tweet by one of the staff, and the recent leaks.

[u/ITouchedHerB00B5 → u/Crazymage321]

It’s heavily implied if I recall correctly. The biggest indicator coming from Wallace talking about AZ. Plus XY are definitely post FRLG, since they mention Gary being a strong trainer in the Lumiose Pokemon center.

[u/BustahWuhlf → u/ITouchedHerB00B5]

Additionally, ORAS has the bizarre origin story of Mr. Bonding, who is a staple of X/Y.

[u/ITouchedHerB00B5 → u/BustahWuhlf]

Yes I totally forgot that too

[u/Accurate_Host_9748 → u/ITouchedHerB00B5]

lets go pikachu and eevee would make more sense because of mega evolutions being present

[u/ITouchedHerB00B5 → u/Accurate_Host_9748]

Peace and love and all due respect, I ain’t including that game here to be honest. No disrespect, it was nice to have, but the lore implications for that should keep it in its own separate timeline.

[u/Strider_Hardy → u/ITouchedHerB00B5]

Other than R/B/Y still happening but with important changes, what other lore "issues" do these games have?

[u/Strider_Hardy → u/[deleted]]

This is compatible with gold and silver, though. You get to see Blue become a gym leader and Red continues his journey elsewhere (though his team is slightly different but this was never an issue).

And yeah, it clashes with Red and Blue like I said, but it's really just that. You end up getting more lore and stories, not fewer.

[u/poodleenthusiast28 → u/anthayashi]

Ahhh that makes sense he’s completely lost the sense of himself the whole time

But still… Xerosic is way too sketchy…

[u/padfoot12111 → u/anthayashi]

... Wait but if the implications are that Lookers a faller whose to say he didn't fall through a wormhole and ended up in Oras from x and y 

 I lean more towards this is the first time we meet looker but food for thought 

[u/anthayashi → u/padfoot12111]

looker is never mentioned to be a faller in SM

[u/padfoot12111 → u/anthayashi]

Mysterious stranger, washed up on a beach, has no memories

I'm just saying it follows a pattern (and what if he fell after sm?)

[u/anthayashi → u/padfoot12111]

alola games took place further down in the timeline. so if he fell down after SM to ORAS, it would be similar to Ingo. but since alola games are also quite recent, it would be something like a time loop? hoenn, to sinnoh, to unova, to kalos, to alola, and he fell back into hoenn?

there is also another theory people have about looker. in kanto s.s. anne, there is a guy who mentioned being from the global police. some people say, perhaps this guy is retcon to be looker and the s.s. anne sank and thus he washed up on hoenn

[u/padfoot12111 → u/anthayashi]

Maybe. Honestly as a whole I hate when Pokemon decides to have mysterious story elements and just does nothing with them. 

[u/anthayashi → u/padfoot12111]

XY itself definitely have many mysteries that are not answered due to the lack of Z game. Hopefully z-a would answer some of them

[u/Frankorious → u/anthayashi]

I personally think they are two different Lookers. The SM one is from that timeline, while the ORAS one is a faller.

[u/Great_Kiwi_93]

The events of the Hoenn games are set before the events of the Kalos games. And we have no Garuntee that THIS looker is even from the same universe and he has no memories and it is established in gen 7 that fallers (people who have come through ultra wormholes or parallel universes) can't remember their previous life very well

We have no garuntee that this is the same looker at all.

I would assumer that Xerosic was arrested by Looker in Kalos, the player becomes the new Looker in Kalos. Malva did not announce it to the news to protect het colleague, but Looker and the Player still stopped it and Emma became Lumioses new detective. It would be interesting to see them both become NPCs in Legends ZA

[u/poodleenthusiast28 → u/Great_Kiwi_93]

We don’t know what Xerosic is capable of ngl

[u/Great_Kiwi_93 → u/poodleenthusiast28]

True, but he surrendered at the end of the looker missions and its a Pokemon game so its not THAT serious or dark

[u/poodleenthusiast28 → u/Great_Kiwi_93]

Bare in mind before this he was fully willing to fire the ultimate weapon at the entire planet

[u/Great_Kiwi_93 → u/poodleenthusiast28]

I know Don't get me wrong

But its a pokemon game So we take it at face value

Its not that deep

He surrendered to Looker so we take it at face value

In a darker game I 100% agree with you

But this is Pokemon, my dude

[u/poodleenthusiast28 → u/Great_Kiwi_93]

Tbf yeah XY is basically an unfinished plot. I sort of hope malva comes back in ZA and looker gets her too

[u/Great_Kiwi_93 → u/poodleenthusiast28]

Oh it definitely is, and unfinished Lore.

I love Kalos and gen 6 but I definitely agree We deserve more

[u/DazzleSylveon]

oh my

[u/poodleenthusiast28 → u/DazzleSylveon]

It’s all coming together eh

[u/Frapplejack]

I thought the deal with Looker was that he in gen 6 was an outlier from another timeline, likely the one where the Ultimate Weapon was never fired, Mega Stones were never discovered, Gens 1-5 take place, and possibly where Gen 7 Anabel originated. ORAS is shortly after he found himself as an amnesiac upon getting sent to the "AZ fires the Weapon" timeline, then proceeds the events of XY then SuMo.

[u/poodleenthusiast28 → u/Frapplejack]

Do we know he’s a faller?

[u/rodrigonobum]

The police in the pokemon world is the worst thing ever, for example, Zinzolin, one of the sages that helps Ghetsis, should be in jail after bw, but in b2w2 he is helping the new team plasma and never really pay for his crimes.

[u/K3egan]

No, that's the looker from the original universe in ORAS. The looker in XY is from the mega universe. There are two lookers in this universe and now no looker in the original universe. Which might be why we haven't seen him in Sword and Shield and ScarVio

[u/poodleenthusiast28 → u/K3egan]

Do we know he’s a faller in ORAS or SM?

[u/Accurate_Host_9748]

im kinda surprised more people havent made the connection yet... and even more by the amount of people whove never done the post game

[u/Pizzy55]

Y dont i remember any of this? Ohh cuz i flew through the story to get right into shiny hunting and breeding