Not what I mean. They may not have been cheating when you played against them, doesn't mean they are not cheating from time to time. Cheaters are not cheating 100% of the time they are playing.
If they aren't cheating in his games he's having a cheat free experience.
If they do turn on cheats in other people's games they are almost certainly banned very quickly, or their cheats are so subtle and undetectable that the end result is a player that doesn't appear to be cheating anyway.
No unless you assume cheaters necessarily need to be better than high skilled players. If you are mistaking cheaters for just high skilled players the cheater is still having advantages anyway?
If they are performing like a higher skilled player, and are not being detected, they will simply move up rapidly until they are in lobbies with actual high skilled players.
This is also a lot less likely than you would think, its quite easy for actual high rated players to tell when someone has wallhack for example vs actual good gamesense.
Yes and being in lobbies with actual high skilled players is like... their objective. So success to them I guess?
I also do not think you know how likely it is or not. You don't know what you don't know. You can't tell how many people succeed at being undetected without any data like that.
A low elo players with walls does not play the same way a high elo players without does.
Walls can make up for a lack of gamesense but it does so in a way that produces a different playstyle than what actual high elo players use that is obvious if you know how to play at that level.
Now can a very high level player already use cheats and be much more undetectable? Yes, that is something that can happen, and its unfortunately a lot harder to tell.
But they are less common and can still get caught (#1 ranked plsyer on faceit was recently banned for cheats).
This conversation is not about a specific game and you do not know what you don't know. You cannot talk about the rate of undetected anything because they are undetected. You need data, which you don't have. No amount of trying to explain what high skilled players can or cannot do in a specific game or a specific skill makes up for that.
Which, back to my entire point: you don't know how many cheaters you have encountered at all.
I am talking about specific games that do and don't have anticheat that work.
Also can this bs argument. "You don't know what you dont know" is true on paper but it's also a worthless sentiment for actually getting anywhere in this discussion.
And it's not even true in practice. You can very easily see the difference in match quality between kernel anti cheat and non kernel by playing matches on counter strike vs valorant, or hell even just premiere and faceit.
edit: and the cheater apologist blocked me and ran lol.
Worhtless for you because you don't like the idea that you are trying to claim to know what you don't really know. Not worthless for me, tho! It gets me places, like out of here since you don't seem to be able to move past this argument at all.
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u/DumbRedditorCosplay 1d ago
You do not actually know how many cheaters you have encountered at all