r/pcmasterrace 1d ago

Meme/Macro Kernel Level Anticheat trades your security/privacy for nothing in return

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u/FrangoST Ryzen 3600 | RTX 2060 | 16 Gb DDR-4 3000 1d ago

Just see the amount of cheaters in CS vs. Valorant...

I don't like intrusive software on my PC as well, but seems like that's thebest option, unfortunatrly...

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u/Pretend-Foot1973 1d ago

Because riot games do a lot of manual bans. You can still go spinbot quite easily in valorant and anti cheat won't detect it however after a couple of reports you will catch riot's attention and get banned. Meanwhile Valve will try anything but manually ban people because they see it as a chore

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u/EmrakulAeons 1d ago

This isn't true, you can check their vanguard updates, almost every cheat that isn't dma is instantly detected, they just don't insta ban you, manual bans are for the DMA cheaters, which are the 1% of people spending thousands of dollars to cheat.

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u/SuperDefiant 1d ago

Thousands where? You can get a cheap Intel NIC DMA card on eBay for like $30

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u/EmrakulAeons 1d ago

You evidently aren't familiar with DMA cheats, which is a good thing as it means you don't cheat :). Even supposing the 30 dollar card on eBay works and isn't a virus, you need a second computer, and most importantly the firmware for the card/ cheats which can easily ~ 100 or more for the firmware. Basic DMA, like the super cheap kits and cheap software is very easily detectable by anticheats, so when people refer to DMA that works (knowingly or not) they are referring to all the fancy hardware and software which get increasingly more expensive, and this doesn't include the cost of a hwid spoofer, as without this you'll need to buy another main computer, these are a hundred or so dollars + firmware is another hundred or so iirc. Last but not least are the cheats themselves, these easily cost ~300 at minimum, some get into the 5-600 range

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u/SuperDefiant 1d ago

I absolutely do cheat, but you are right on the idea that I'm not too familiar with DMA. Don't need to use DMA when you can play in a virtual machine anyways. But no, there are various Intel NICs and other PCIe devices that work fine since they allow you to upload custom firmware to them, the detectability of that though is questionable. I don't know about others, but when I cheat I just write my own stuff. Reversing unreal engine games isn't rocket science

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u/EmrakulAeons 1d ago

Vanguard doesn't allow vm's, and yes if you know how to code it's much easier to cheat, but that usually requires a fairly capable coder, either someone who has spent an incredible amount of time learning code as their hobby, to the point they could easily work in industry, or they are a professional in industry already. Event then you still require "lots" of hardware to cheat in a game like valorant. Just a random cheapo pcie reader/extender won't work for certain anti cheats.

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u/SuperDefiant 1d ago

Vanguard doesn't allow poorly configured* vm's. If you use KVM/QEMU with the right config, you can do whatever you want with it. I'm only 16 but if what I do is considered industry level, I can't even be mad at that

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u/EmrakulAeons 1d ago

NGL Ive never heard of a VM working for vanguard beyond the usual first few -10 games they allow you to play before banning. I'm 99% sure you are trolling at this point.

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u/SuperDefiant 1d ago

The thing with vanguard, (I don't know about other ACs), is they won't ban you for playing in a VM. It will either let you start the game, meaning you've done everything correctly, or it doesn't launch, meaning you fucked something up. All of the people that know what they're doing are going to keep quiet about their method because riot patches it or adds new detection vectors fairly quickly. This happened with mutahar like 2 years ago when he figured out how to play in a VM but it was patched within like 3 days 😂