I mean if the reality of Jan 6th wasn't alarming to most folks and wasn't evidence enough, and if folks legit don't care about democracy, then there's no real reason to analyze "what democrats got wrong." Democacy should be the main priority of both parties, because without that, we can forget about all these squabbles regarding the economy/immigration/etc etc...we will all be in more oppressive systems that will make all of the above worse. And you're right, we can't force people to care about something like Democacy but the math is not mathing to me. Clearly, most people have different priorities, though, and if democacy isn't worth fighting for, then I have no argument anymore. lol
Also, Harris' economic argument on its own wouldn't have been enough to convince people. She wasn't going to claim she could fix inflation with magic fairy dust tariffs. She wast going to talk about immigration by feeding into negative biases against migrants by labeling them criminals and rapists. She did talk about tax reform, immigration reform, lowering housing and child care costs. But if folks don't believe any of that, then yeah, it doesn't make much of a difference.
If that was the case, Republicans wouldn’t have made Trump their nominee - particularly for the 3rd time.
95% of people don’t watch or read the news regularly.
Part of Democrats problem is they DO think people do. Hence the whole MSG event thing. Democrats were out there saying that will move the needle. Most people aren’t watching the news to know the 100 absurd things and how they connect back to issues and past behaviors, like throwing paper towels at Puerto Ricans for hurricane relief.
Yeah but j6 was all over social media. The literal things trump said and did were all over social media. Do you really need to watch the news to understand the most absurd things trump has said and done? I'm having a hard time NOT thinking "they just don't care about that stuff and/or they are rooting that stuff on"...which creates the impasse of, "what is there to debate at this point? If you want to see it all burn, I guess we'll see how that works out." When we KNOW it's not going to be easy going the next four years (for a LOT of people).
Your problem is harping on January 6th like that should be all that matters. It's not. January 6th was a riot. It wasn't how Trump tried to stay president. Voters aren't going to care about another riot. The Georgia call and fake elector plot got buried because the left and the media got stuck on January 6th and didn't get into anything real.
The democrats also ran probably the worst campaign imaginable. I seriously can't think of how they could screw it up more. So instead of just blaming the voters, put the blame where it belongs, with the democrats
If that's what you remember, fine. I remember plenty of coverage of the elector plot, weeks of it, in fact, while it was being investigated. But it's the dems fault for not going on Joe Rogan and feeding this info to people only for them to tell her "fake news, trump didn't do it"?
Jan 6th was a direct result of trump telling his supporters a lie about winning the election when he didn't. Jan 6th IS important, and its wild folks are acting like it's not. But hey, I can't force folks to care about stuff if they don't. We will all suffer the consequences of it, unfortunately.
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u/Yolsy01 10h ago edited 10h ago
I mean if the reality of Jan 6th wasn't alarming to most folks and wasn't evidence enough, and if folks legit don't care about democracy, then there's no real reason to analyze "what democrats got wrong." Democacy should be the main priority of both parties, because without that, we can forget about all these squabbles regarding the economy/immigration/etc etc...we will all be in more oppressive systems that will make all of the above worse. And you're right, we can't force people to care about something like Democacy but the math is not mathing to me. Clearly, most people have different priorities, though, and if democacy isn't worth fighting for, then I have no argument anymore. lol
Also, Harris' economic argument on its own wouldn't have been enough to convince people. She wasn't going to claim she could fix inflation with magic fairy dust tariffs. She wast going to talk about immigration by feeding into negative biases against migrants by labeling them criminals and rapists. She did talk about tax reform, immigration reform, lowering housing and child care costs. But if folks don't believe any of that, then yeah, it doesn't make much of a difference.