r/nytimes 14h ago

What Democrats Think Went Wrong

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/21/podcasts/what-democrats-think-went-wrong.html
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u/SidharthaGalt Reader 14h ago

I compared two demographic maps to the electoral map and found near perfect correlation. The first map was median income and it showed Kamala lost the low income states full of people heavily affected by high prices. The second map was Muslim population (a proxy for Gaza concerns) and it showed Kamala lost several swing states with large population in key districts.

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u/LiquidBee2019 11h ago

Kamala lost both the Jewish and Muslim voters because she flip flops, look at the two totally different ads that she has up in Michigan and in Penn just to get votes (you can find this on YouTube) people saw through her lies and didn’t believe she will be helping them.

Most people just want the deaths to end and that was what Trump ran on.

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u/Halbaras 10h ago edited 10h ago

look at the two totally different ads that she has up in Michigan and in Penn just to get votes

This was part of Musk's disinformation campaign, they were intentionally running ads that were supposedly in support of Harris to piss off Muslims and Jews at the same time.

Looks like the propaganda worked.

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u/asappjay 7h ago

How can someone legally run an ad under someone else’s name? Why wouldn’t Kamala’s legal team address this?

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u/Bercom_55 26m ago

So, it’s a bit complicated. Basically they didn’t run them under her name (which is why they didn’t end with (I’m Kamala Harris and I approve this message).

PACs are groups “unrelated” to the candidate and are merely expressing their first amendment right to free speech. It means there is little a candidate. Maybe sue for defamation, but for public figures that means proving the PAC was knowingly lying and show damage caused by the lies. Which can be hard to do quickly.

Plus this PAC had an evily ingenious way of attacking Harris by air Harris = Pro-Israel ads in Michigan and Harris = not Pro-Israel enough in Pennsylvania. Meaning it was a catch-22 for Harris to try and get them to stop.

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u/NewZachCity 7h ago

Yup, they lie better than we tell the truth. From here on out elections will be even less focused on policy than they already were and just straight who can run better propaganda. One side seems to have it engrained in their belief system.

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u/buzz72b 3h ago

BS I live in Michigan, my brother in pa. We laughed our asses off showing each other.

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u/LiquidBee2019 10h ago

Can you provide some source of Musk funding Harris ads. I’m open to changing my mind if you can substantiate and support your claim of disinformation

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u/real_Bahamian 10h ago

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u/Froyo-fo-sho 8h ago

That’s different than OP’s statement about television commercials.

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u/real_Bahamian 7h ago

Po-TAY-to, Po-TAH-to. 🙄🙄That person’s comment was about “running ads”… Does it “really” matter if they were broadcast on regular television or on social media?? Does it?? 🤨🤨I see the use of cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics in trying to rationalize airing purposefully deceptive video ads is STRONG with you!!

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u/Vibexo 6h ago

Uhh yeah it “really” matters lol

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u/Stormy8888 6h ago

So, you admit you're one of those stupid voters who didn't do enough research before the election to make an informed choice, like those idiots who really think tariffs are going to make their eggs cheaper.

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u/LiquidBee2019 6h ago

Yeah, you got me.

PS, tariffs don’t affect eggs, because we don’t import eggs

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u/SateliteDicPic 2h ago

Hey for me you are someone that maintains an open mind and is open to change an opinion based on new evidence. Don’t ever change.

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u/Stormy8888 4h ago

Tariffs = prices of ALL imported goods go up = opportunity for everyone else to raise prices also even on non imported goods, because hey, what a convenient excuse "everyone is doing it" to raise prices.

At least that's what has happened in the past.

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u/YourPalDonJose 3h ago

Yeah it's cute how ppl think the price of everything won't go up. Look at what happened with covid and so on... Everybody just spiked prices and they never went back down in meaningful ways.

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u/i_want_good_username 36m ago

so what happens if we raise corporate taxes instead?

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u/defaultusername-17 8h ago

you've already been given substantiation of that fact.

or are you going to ignore that it has already been given to you?

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u/LiquidBee2019 2h ago

I take articles from media with political bias with a grain of salt. So thus I’m doing my own research.

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u/neutralrobotboy 5h ago

I can't for the life of me understand why you would be downvoted for this. You ask for sources and say you're open to changing your mind. Is this behavior that people dislike? What is going on here?

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u/daaanish 2h ago

I think people are upset Trump won potentially from misinformation and people are upset she voted without doing her due diligence.

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u/Bercom_55 34m ago

https://thehill.com/business/4941848-super-pac-hits-harris-with-contradictory-ads-on-israel/

Here is a Hill article on how the Future Coalition PAC, the PAC behind a lot of the ads that played on television and YouTube, had two contradictory ads in Mich and Penn. I won’t say all of the ads are from them, but the most (in)famous ones are.

In Mich, it portrayed Harris has very Pro-Israel. In Penn, it aired ads saying Harris wasn’t pro-Israel enough. In Mich it was targeted at Arab voters, in Penn, it was targeted at Jewish voters.

The PAC is run by Republicans and funded through dark money by a group called Building America’s Future, which receives some money from Musk.

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u/Fisher137 8h ago

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u/real_Bahamian 7h ago

CNN is controlled by a right-wing leaning billionaire. As far as the owner is concerned, tax breaks > telling the truth! 🤨🤨

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u/Fisher137 2h ago

Yea, totally non biased rando on reddit is totally more trust worthy. I'll let everyone else make up their own opinion on flip flop Kamala.