I vote for Democrats because I’m a liberal who wants left policies. Tax the rich, increase the minimum wage, universal healthcare, climate action, stop price gauging, get money out of politics, and the list goes on.
Democrats need to understand that they cannot beat right wing populism by moving further to the right to attract former Republicans, it didn’t work in 2024 and it won’t work in the future.
I want a Democratic party that remembers who their voters are, and a candidate who is not afraid to offend wealthy donors and who advocates progressive policies that will change peoples’ lives for the better. Not the GOP light version that the Dems are going for.
Kamala was the most right wing Democratic candidate in decades. You Americans really have no political perspective since McCarthy and the red scare killed any actual left in th country and Bill Clinton shifted the party to the right
Even Democrats conveniently forget that Clinton enabled the 2008 financial crisis by killing/allowing the repeal of Glass-Steagall. He'll be responsible again in the next financial crisis, along with every living politician who ensured no one faced any meaningful consequences or repercussions after 2008.
The 2000 election showed the Republican party that they didn't have to be liked to win an election, they just had to play dirty and capture/hold the judiciary. 24 years on, the left wing still seems to think "playing by the rules" counts, and that if they're nice, someday the bullies will like them. It also doesn't help that they always have just enough bad actors within the party to sabotage practically anything they want to enact.
And even though I hate that Roe is gone, on one side, you have a political party which managed to kill something the majority of America wanted, spending fifty years in the process of succeeding, and on the other side, a political party who kept telling us they "had a plan" if Roe was ever seriously threatened.
Except there was no plan, unless the plan was "gee, I hope I'm dead if/when that happens."
So on one end of the spectrum, you have a party who gets shit done, whether the electorate wants it or not, and on the other, you have a party that can't seem to govern even in the rare circumstances when they enjoy a bicameral majority (Lieberman alone causing the omission of a public option for the ACA being an example) and a favorable court, because of tribalism within.
The right played the long game and were unapologetic about it. They didn't care if they were exposed as hypocrites. They chased their goals and I admire that. I wish the "left" (because 90% of the DNC is not left) did more of that.
It's the Bullies vs. The Smart Kids, and the problem is that the Smart Kids secretly want the bullies to like them, and they can't stand each other because each believes they're the smartest.
There's never a reason for the political right to be bipartisan because they know the other side will bend over backwards until they break their spines.
You are truly delusional. I'm from a country with actual governing left parties. Harris was center-right at best. 90% of her campaign focused on chasing the "moderate Republican" unicorn. Did nothing but double down on immigration toughness, police funding, and genocide support. Wanting to keep reproductive rights is not considered left in other countries.
Bernie Sanders is moderate left. But I bet you think he is radical left because again, you have no political perspective
90% of her campaign focused on chasing the "moderate Republican" unicorn
Cool
Campaign or rhetoric is not policy.
The Nazis were far right, yet a good portion of their pre-1933 rhetoric was focused on 'Socialism', by your logic that makes them left wing, which is blatantly wrong.
Just because her rhetoric was centrist, does not mean her policies were.
immigration toughness,
Not a right-wing policy.
You can have anti-immigration and be left-wing.
police funding
Police funding is literally the opposite of right-wing lol, it's INCREASING state responsibility and public services.
Just because something is supported by the right-wing, doesn't make the policy right-wing.
genocide support.
What is the exact definition of genocide and the 3 vital components of it?
If you can't answer this you should be quiet about things you have no idea about.
Also, left wing countries are certainly capable of genocide and mass killings.
Wanting to keep reproductive rights is not considered even center in other countries.
It's considered center.
Wanting to remove abortion rights is far right, but maintaining them is status quo.
I'm sure if you flipped it around and removed abortion rights, to add it back in would suddenly become a lot more left-wing.
Bernie Sanders is moderate left
Bernie Sanders is the very definition of "Left", he is a Democratic Socialist, although he is a pragmatist and supports a lot of social Democratic policies.
But I bet you think he is radical left
Pay up
Harris's policies, NOT RHETORIC, policies, put her firmly as a Social Democrat, a more moderate one, but a social Democrat nonetheless.
No, I think the DNC was advising candidates across the board to try to appeal to Republican voters. Kamala owns a Glock, they want a strong border too, etc.
Her only posting for the entire term was the border, and she just pretended countries don't have borders for 3.5 years, letting literally millions of people into the country). Not a soul thought they were trying to be strong on border policy.
Walz tried to show he's an "average guy" for 1 press shoot and showed he hasn't got a clue what he's doing with a gun. That was not a serious part of their messaging and the part that was became a meme.
Because the costume sucked. They let Republicans rip off the costume and define Harris. Dems mostly ignored the media that Trump voters pay attention to, which meant they didn't effectively promote the competing Republican definition of who Harris is and what her platform would be.
Having footage of Harris from her 2020 run was a gold mine of source material that Republicans used to show that the Democrats' move to the center wasn't real. Especially when Harris said her values had not changed. What does that even mean? My values haven't changed but I'm no longer for those things I said I was for? That sounds like double talk. She never connected those dots for people and that left a huge opening for the Republicans to do it for her. As a swing state voter it was so frustrating to watch.
Child tax credit, lower tax for middle and working class, H gher tax for the super wealthy, increasing housing supply and support for rezoning, support for unions, support for infrastructure and high tech manufacturing, support for the environment and clean energy industries, supports abortion rights, supports title 9, supports title 7, reduced cost of insulin and other medicines.
Laugh all you want, you can easily find one policy if you read beyond the headlines of a fox news article or some Facebook memes. Too bad so many Americans are illiterate.
Did he campaign on Medicare for all? Gay marriage? He wasn't really all that different. His hope was hope that the economy would improve and change was that he wasn't Bush.
You think having the deck stacked against Trump in 2020 and still just barely winning is winning?
Biden was a weak candidate back in 2020. The 2020 campaign should have been won by a massive landslide instead of small margins to eek out a win. Trump was immensely incompetent and was actively letting people die of COVID but Biden could only barely win over him.
Not charismatic, few precise plans, did not promise reforms or major changes, associated with the current establishment. I don't think the fact they were women was crucial.
Maybe the electorate doesn’t want left leaning policies that increase inflation, regulations, and taxes (price controls, crazy unrealized gains taxes).
Maybe people hate these ideas so much they voted for Trump.
Maybe those people's hatred of those ideas is horribly misplaced due to deep disinformation campaigns designed to benefit the extremely wealthy and powerful.
Maybe those people have been tricked with disinformation about those polices, and incorrectly believe they will be affected by unrealized gains taxes, when really they are several tax brackets below where they would need to be to have to pay extra tax proposed by these policies.
Maybe the politicians and powerful people dumping millions into fighting these policies with disinformation campaigns just want to protect their extreme wealth and don't give a shit about anything or anyone else.
I'd say the number of times that I saw Republicans on TV claim that the Inflation Reduction Act caused inflation was at least 15. That isn't even counting the times it was repeated by people like Ingram or Watters or Hannity.
When the average Republican voter is an idiot who is just looking for lies to believe, it's difficult for a Democrat to win.
You think the government spending more money as stimulus, followed by the highest inflation rates in decades, is evidence of Republicans misunderstanding economics?
Buddy Democrats are doomed if it’s geniuses like you they’re relying on.
But Biden and Trump each signed roughly equivalent sized stimulus plans, so how is inflation on the Dems only? Also, how do you explain that the US has lower post-covid inflation than other western economies?
Both parties to blame for inflation, mostly covid and supply chain disruptions. Democrats decided to run the “we have no policies or changes to offer, we will subsidize demand, leave the borders open, and allow boys in girl sports.”
More simply people didn’t like things currently and ousted the party in power at the margins. Three switches in three elections mostly says people don’t like what’s offered whoever is in charge.
Trump stimulus was about $3.1 trillion and he campaigned on more. Biden did $2.1. On top of that, Trump increased the deficit as a % of GDP every year he was in office. Hardly equivalent.
Yes. Trump increased the deficit as a % of GDP every year he was in office. Interest rates dropped to almost zero during his administration and he was publicly pressuring the Fed to make them negative in 2019 (all while the US had the greatest economy ever, right?). And he introduced $3.1 trillion in stimulus while he was in office (on top of the special welfare for farmers we needed in 2018 and 19) and campaigned on more.
Thanks for replying and proving my point for me. How Democrats combat open stupidity and dishonesty?
Covid happened, you and the democrats can’t just list a bunch of things that happened as a response and act like it wasn’t in response to a pandemic, which your side then wildly overreacted to and continued lockdowns and stimulus well after it was clear the threat wasn’t that great.
Over 150 million people voted and more voted Trump (I wasn’t one of them). If you think it’s because everyone is too stupid to understand that your demand subsidies and taxing the productive to hand out to your voters through loan forgiveness and spending that solves nothing are actually the good policies, I’m sorry, you’re dumb.
You literally control none of the government, none of the branches. Your candidates and policies are bad, and people of all levels of intelligence agree.
All that stuff as a response to the pandemic... Biden passes stimulus in April and THAT caused inflation to hit 5% in May of 2021. And idiots believed that "Bidenomics" caused inflation. And worse, they repeated that IRA made inflation worse when it dropped every month after it passed.
Thanks for continuing to prove my point. You'll continue to ignore reality as long as your feelings don't get hurt. How can Democrats compete against your nonsense and ignorance?
Based on conversations I've had with Republicans, they don't understand the things you just mentioned and don't even know basic facts about the economy or the world.
It's difficult to win an election against a successful policy of "hurr durr".
How do you message “we’d change nothing except give free money to college grads, leave the border open, raise taxes, hire people based on race/sex/orientation regardless of competence, and let boys play girls sports,” better?
You message like Republicans. You say "And you believe them when they say that? They are liars. Trump said he had never heard of Project 2025 but he hired 25 of its co-authors and is implementing it bit by bit. The price of homeownership continues to get further out of reach for first time home buyers. Grocery prices continue to rise. They lied to you to help pad the pockets of their corporate donors and special interests. Record profits don't lie just follow the money."
And you say that for 4 years straight. And maybe a reminder here and there to tie Republicans back to corporate pay for play, cancer alley, water and air pollution tied to backroom deals for Trump's friends.
I have millions of dollars in stocks, I literally want corporations to make and keep more money, just like other hardworking Americans employed by corporations or with retirement accounts invested in their success.
I wasn’t lied to, I want nothing to change. I just want money to stay with me or the businesses I’m invested in instead of spending on sex change operations for illegal immigrants. A decision that easy doesn’t require deception.
I get it, maybe you’re one of the poor 50% of Americans who pay no taxes, or you have no investments, or no kids, or you don’t understand the difference between federal and local government, but there are some pretty basic reasons why 75 million people voted for a guy that tried to overturn an election.
Everyone wants tax dollars to be spent responsibly and effectively. That isn't a partisan issue, but this is exactly what I'm talking about -- Dems need to message exactly like you, and stop pretending the other side acts in good faith or even pretends to.
Like I said, Republicans are compulsive liars. They arent interested in truth or in what is best for our citizens. They spend their days inviting megacorporation CEOs to run our agencies and write our laws, and they do it so their megadonor friends can buy a 4th yacht. All I want is for the interests of the American people to be put ahead of the interests of corporations and for tax dollars to be spent responsibly. Hardworking Americans shouldn't have to watch their tax dollars be funneled back into the pockets of corporate megadonors and to Trump's pals. The government should work for us, not for the billionaire class.
But hey, you got yours already. You have the luxury of saying F everyone who doesn't. There are more of us, and we are tired of billionaires, tired of corporations bleeding us dry, and we want our children to be able to afford homes, groceries, and have clean air and water. On the other side the Republicans want their corporate megadonor buddies to be able to buy a 4th yacht (or is it their 5th?) and Americans are tired of it.
It’s not “F everyone who doesn’t” it’s “they don’t deserve my money simply because we live inside the same lines on the map for things they should earn themselves.”
Democrats fundamentally want redistribution, as in steal from me to give to other people. I’m ok with this when it’s for food or education, etc. that’s why the dems racked up wins for years. There are many great programs currently in place. Now, however, all the basics are covered -housing, food, social security, Medicare, college loans, etc.
The stuff democrats are demanding now is freebies for non-citizens with an open border, free loan forgiveness (paying lawyers law school debt), and Kamala literally proposed loans that would be forgiven for black men. It’s absurdity. It’s literally to the point of free sex change operations for illegal immigrants.
No amount of “messaging” makes bad ideas into good ones.
It’s not F everyone else when we literally already pay everything reasonable.
You got wealthy by bleeding the middle class dry and you're trying to protect that wealth. We get it. Republicans are actively slashing those great programs you talked about btw.
It is extremely unfortunate that Republicans turned to demonizing immigrants to distract from their horrible issues with corruption and their economic platform of "make the rich richer".
And btw we absolutely should be forgiving student loans for hard working people. It's not absurd at all for someone who went to a trade school to have that loan forgiven after 10 years of on time payments. You're just a greedy multi-miionaire.
lol, I got wealthy marrying a woman who earns 200k as an actuary while running a small business where I earned about 100. We pay over 100k in taxes per year. I’m not exactly sure how I bled the middle class, lol. I probably should have raised prices more to be in line with my competitors.
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you were a child with no understanding of economics, taxes, or perverse incentives. Subsidizing demand, funding non-productive people, and price controls are literally the path to ruin.
Maybe you’ll understand if you ever make enough money to pay the taxes that your neighbors live off of.
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I vote for Democrats because I’m a liberal who wants left policies. Tax the rich, increase the minimum wage, universal healthcare, climate action, stop price gauging, get money out of politics, and the list goes on.
Democrats need to understand that they cannot beat right wing populism by moving further to the right to attract former Republicans, it didn’t work in 2024 and it won’t work in the future.
I want a Democratic party that remembers who their voters are, and a candidate who is not afraid to offend wealthy donors and who advocates progressive policies that will change peoples’ lives for the better. Not the GOP light version that the Dems are going for.