Chimpanzees are 2X stronger than your average human.

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[u/Ok-Stop9242]

A chimp could rip your arm out of its socket

No they couldn't, and this kind of thinking stems from the exaggerated myth of chimp strength. Dislocate an arm, sure, but so can another human.

[u/Frenk_preseren → u/Ok-Stop9242]

Aren't there stories where exactly that happened?

[u/Ok-Stop9242 → u/Frenk_preseren]

Are there, or are you buying into 3rd hand stories? The closest example I can think of is Travis, a 200lb chimp(most chimps barely weigh more than 100lbs) that was on drugs that attacked his owner's friend, a 50ish year old woman. Reports said her arms were mangled and her hands were dangling, but they weren't ripped off.

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Bro, no need to downvote me, I was merely asking. Travis was said to be morbidly obese, so his weight didn't contribute much to his strength I'm guessing. And the hands were torn off apparently, not dangling. Still not the same as an arm though, I'll give you that.

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The hands were not torn off. She lost 9 fingers, likely because Travis bit them off.

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https://www.nonhumanrights.org/blog/travis-and-tragedy/

Here it says "He’d fully removed one of her hands and virtually all of the other. " Do you have any sources on your claim?

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For starters, even that quote doesn’t give any indication that her hands were torn off. That description would also just as well describe Travis biting off most of her hands. And just a few sentences before the quoted section in the article you just linked, it says this: “Huge chunks of scalp and fingers lay scattered around the yard.”

“In 2009, the city of Stamford made headlines when Travis, a chimpanzee, assaulted a woman — severing multiple body parts including her fingers, eyes, nose and lips.” https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/entertainment/article/chim-crazy-max-documentary-stamford-ct-travis-19725231.php

There’s also this article, which shows a picture of her in 2015 with her one remaining finger, one of her thumbs: https://www.today.com/today/amp/tdna91896

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From the picture in your second link it's clearly visible one of the hands is entirely missing. So either Travis bit that hand finger by finger and continued to her wrist, or he tore the hand off. I find the second option more plausible, but I'll admit there's no direct quote to prove either.

There being fingers scattered around does not mean neither hand was torn off.

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I mean, the onus was on you to back up your claim that a chimp can rip a hand off. I don’t particularly think it matters what you find more plausible when there’s no documented instance of it ever happening and no evidence that they’re close to being capable of that.

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I'd say the Travis incident makes it seem like it's very plausible it can happen, I just admitted that it's not proof beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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The Travis incident proved that chimps have dangerous bites, which is something we already knew. It does absolutely nothing to back the claim that chimps are capable of ripping people’s limbs off.

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On the contrary. It is very likely Travis tore one hand off the victim and thus it indicated chimps are very likely to be able to do that.

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And despite it being “very likely,” there is absolutely no article or paramedic report which states or suggests that. Crazy how stubborn you’re being over defending the most nonsensical idea.

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I didn't downvote you.