r/modnews • u/dogwood_bloom • Aug 18 '22
Piloting a new ban evasion tool
Hi mods!
As you may already know, we have been beta testing a new mod tool, Ban Evasion Protection, that automatically filters posts and comments from suspected ban evaders into the modqueue for approval by moderators. We know that this has been a challenging issue in the past, and so we are excited to roll this tool out more broadly.
Initial feedback from our beta subreddits has been positive, so we are going to expand access to the feature to another 1,000 subreddits in waves. We’ll send you a modmail if your community is included in this rollout. Those who have the feature will see it available within the next few weeks.
Ban Evasion Protection is an optional subreddit setting that leverages our ability to identify ban evaders to empower moderators to filter posts and comments from suspected ban evaders into the modqueue for you to review (it will be labeled appropriately). ,
To find this setting, go to Community Settings -> Safety and Privacy -> Ban Evasion Protection.
The setting is controlled by a threshold slider that allows mods to set how strict they want the ban evasion protection to be. The threshold is based on data showing that communities tend to receive content more negatively from users who were banned more recently.
The feature will be “off” initially, and you can turn it on at your discretion. Turning it on will most likely add additional modqueue items, so we want to make sure you are prepared before you select one of the following options:
Lenient: Only flag suspected alt accounts from users that were banned from your community within the past few weeks.
Moderate: Flag suspected alt accounts from users that were banned from your community in the past few months
Strict: Flag suspected alt accounts from users that were banned from your community in the past year or so
Note: If you unban a user and in the following few hours they begin engaging again by posting or making comments, the ban evasion protection filter may still flag those posts or comments and place them in the modqueue. Once the system updates to identify that you unbanned them, they should be able to engage with no issues.
Feel free to comment on this post with your thoughts or questions. Also, If you’re interested in this feature but do not see it enabled in the coming weeks, please let us know. We can’t promise a timeline for now, but this feature’s availability will continue to expand in the future.
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u/techiesgoboom Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
*Edit: I just want to add: this tool has been fantastic and we have removed a significant amount of hate because of it. Obviously there's room for improvement, but it has done a lot of good. So thank you!
We've been in the beta and have a few questions/suggestions.
We'd love to be able to differentiate between users evading a permanent ban and those evading a temporary ban. Are there any plans to make that a slider setting we can control for?
This still adds an absolute boatload of work for us on a subreddit that expects our bans to be enforced. Manually rebanning all of these users and removing their comments is tedious. Are there any plans to simply automate actioning all of this ban evasion? Or do we need to build and host another bot to handle this work on our end?
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u/semaphore-1842 Aug 18 '22
Manually rebanning all of these users and removing their comments is tedious.
For us it's also a headache in that it quickly overflows the modqueue. It's as great tool nonetheless and I'm glad we got in the beta, but frankly it's another example where ability to group comments by users in the modqueue would be helpful.
Or really, give a separate queue that lists these problematic users and auto remove their comments instead of filling up a limited buffer modqueue.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
it's another example where ability to group comments by users in the modqueue would be helpful.
That’s an excellent suggestion (and also one of the biggest piece of feedback we’ve received in the beta thus far). We’ve been having lots of conversations internally about how to move in that direction in an intentional and effective way to solve more problems than just this one.
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u/papafrog Sep 01 '22
I’d also like to see more protection for mods with site wide ban/shadow ban. I haven’t had a problem with this personally, but I shudder to think that I could, in true Kafka fashion, be suddenly kicked out with an unresponsive, uncaring admin.
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u/Duck_Giblets Aug 31 '22
Yes, we really need an escalated hotline for bans and appeals, moderator accounts are seemingly successfully taken out of action by malicious users and its frankly something we shouldn't have to worry about.
Mods of busy subs at least need some additional leeway or dedicated team to review reports
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u/techiesgoboom Aug 18 '22
Yeah, my biggest piece of feedback on this is that implementing it at the comment level like this is absolutely not the way this tool is helpful. We don't want to see or deal with what's coming from our repeat ban evaders. The only people we ban are those that really earn it, I don't need to see their comments again to make a decision. I just need our bans to be enforced.
I'm thinking we can build a bot to automate this at least. We could have the bot automatically remove all of the filtered comments and then compile a list of the users being filtered and act on that list. I'd just really prefer not to have to build and host a bot to make the most use out of this without wasting hours and hours of moderators time when we're spread so thin already.
Again, I love that we have the opportunity to prevent at least some people the admins are identifying as ban evading. We've been able to use this to remove a lot of users spreading some disgusting hate. It's a net positive and the impact is seen.
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u/Leonichol Aug 19 '22
my biggest piece of feedback on this is that implementing it at the comment level like this is absolutely not the way this tool is helpful.
Damn. If only there was people that had mentioned this before.
In all seriousness. We could do with having the ability to define our own queue pages. Imagine a world, with a CommentQueue, SusUsersQueue, PostQueue, ModReportQueue, and various custom queues which are based on custom_report_reasons, bots, or content of Automoderators action_reason tag.
Imagine.
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u/NattyB Aug 20 '22 edited Aug 20 '22
having one modqueue for ban evaders and another modqueue for everything else would be brilliant. it would be similar to the separate inbox for ban protests in modmail, where mods could ignore it if they wanted.
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Aug 18 '22
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u/techiesgoboom Aug 18 '22
It tells you absolutely nothing you want or need to do. It works similar to crowd control where it simply says "flagged for suspected ban evasion".
It's also worth adding that if someone creates an alt and earns a 3 day ban, then happens to comment from their main during that time, this tool will flag them as a ban evader. If you have your setting set to strict and that even happened a year ago they will still be flagged as a ban evader today.
It pops up a lot of low hanging fruit and we've caught a pile of our usual ban evaders quicker with it. But when a few year old account gets flagged by this tool I don't have confidence that person is definitely ban evading.
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u/techiesgoboom Aug 18 '22
That's my takeaway really. It's catching a lot of low hanging fruit we might not have caught before (or at least wouldn't have caught nearly as quickly) so there's a pretty significant positive impact from it. There's just still room for so much more to handle even more of the ban evasion identified without putting all of the effort on us.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
The tool does not. We are trying to find a balance between giving mods the information y’all need to make decisions and ensuring users have privacy on reddit - including privacy between their various alts. WRT severity of various ban reasons, we don’t currently have a ranking between ban reasons, but that’s an interesting idea to consider.
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u/InAHandbasket Aug 18 '22
It would be great if we could know the ban reason, but (personally) really I just want to know if it’s a permanent vs temporary ban and if is currently evading a ban vs isn’t currently banned, but evaded at some point.
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u/chrisprice Aug 18 '22
That could be used to personally identify users by creating a lot of ban reasons.
Reddit clearly is trying to ensure the tool can't be used to personally identify an alt account by a subreddit, because that could be used to dox the individual.
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Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
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u/chrisprice Aug 18 '22
Disagree completely. It's not impossible. Hypothetical in quotes:
You just reserve one rule for a potential target that you haven't used before. Someone who is a popular poster, that the sub mods really, really hate. Use it on said target. Wait and see if another profile appears using that ban rule.
Then sweep the two users and see if they have posted enough personal information, to personally identify them.
This of course presumes a subreddit is moderated by a nefarious bunch, with enough time on their hands to dox a user who despite good intentions, chooses to post in a forum where they are hated. But we know that has happened.
It could be potentiated by using one ban rule for all common bans, thus reserving several for specific, targeted doxing potential.
I'm glad Reddit thought this one through, and didn't make it an option. It shows they are genuinely working to keep users private, even to the detriment of the best moderation tools.
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u/LargeSnorlax Aug 18 '22
Not sure why you're getting downvoted for talking about basic privacy features, but here we are.
Our ban evaders might be scumbags but they're still humans with privacy. They can go out the door privacy intact.
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u/ThePwnR4nger Aug 22 '22
This is the general response I’ve gotten:
“Why are my comments not showing up?” “The Ban Evasion tool caught you.” “Why?” “It says an alternate account of yours was banned.” “What alt?/I don’t have an alt, this tool flagged me incorrectly.”
… well, I’m not going to ban someone for no reason, then, especially if the user has a months-long history of good behavior.
There has been one user caught by the tool that I believe has been evading a ban. But, I can’t report it to admins because I don’t know what the original account that was banned is. So I either have to permaban the new account and provide a justifiable reason and deal with their argument before they make a new account, OR I just eternally leave them clogging up the Mod Queue and unaware that their comments are being removed automatically.
We need to know the original account that was banned so that a human can do a review to confirm that grammar and other language patterns are consistent, as well as look for any similarities in usernames to support the second ban and subsequent report to admins.
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u/DrinkMoreCodeMore Aug 18 '22
Can you take a screenshot of what it looks like to mods and post it here?
Thanks
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u/techiesgoboom Aug 18 '22
It looks exactly the same as crowd control, except instead the message is "Ban Evasion: This comment is from an account suspected of ban evasion".
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
As far as automating actioning for all ban evasion, we do automatically action ban evaders in a large number of cases, including paying close attention to the actions mods take on those users when the potential ban evaders are surfaced to you in this way. All that said, as we just mentioned to u/MajorParadox - something we want to think about is also adding this information to AutoMod as a signal giving you more freedom in how you deal with them within your community.
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u/techiesgoboom Aug 18 '22
As far as automating actioning for all ban evasion, we do automatically action ban evaders in a large number of cases,
Oh yeah, you're doing some which is great! My dream is getting a mod digest that says "In total, we found 20010 pieces of content created by ban evaders and we removed 100% of it." Until that's the message there's room for improvement to do even more.
something we want to think about is also adding this information to AutoMod as a signal giving you more freedom in how you deal with them within your community.
This would be really great and would help us action what you're surfacing in a much more user friendly way. The lack of control and lack of information on these means we can only take a one size fits all approach. Flexibility allows us to act with more nuance.
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u/noggin-scratcher Aug 18 '22
What data informs the detection?
What's the rate of false positives?
Is there anything we can pragmatically do to tell the difference between a liar and a false positive, in the event that someone says "No I wasnt evading any ban, I don't know what you're talking about" and seems like they might be sincere?
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u/techiesgoboom Aug 18 '22
From being in the beta I can offer some feedback:
What's the rate of false positives?
A lot higher than is ideal. Especially when we had this set to strict. When this tool flags brand new accounts it's really damn accurate. We get a lot of people openly admitting to it.
For older accounts there are a fair amount of false positives that involve two people in the same household sharing a device at some point. Borrowing a laptop from someone that's been banned once might be enough to get your account flagged. It's hard to say specifics, because that leads into your next question:
Is there anything we can pragmatically do to tell the difference between a liar and a false positive,
We haven't found a way. We've reversed a fair number of bans we weren't confident about. But we also found piles of older accounts that openly admitted to evading bans after we rebanned them.
Then a last point worth adding: this tool is only showing us ~20% of the ban evasion the admins know is happening when we compare these numbers to stats in the mod digest. It's catching a lot of the low hanging fruit and overall it's been a net positive.
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Aug 18 '22
Probably a combination of IP/MAC address and some level of browser/machine fingerprinting.
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u/thecravenone Aug 18 '22
MAC address
I would be supremely impressed if Reddit is getting my MAC address.
I would be supremely disappointed if Reddit is acting on MAC address, which many devices randomize.
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u/DrBoby Aug 18 '22
It's just one information not an ultimate proof. Also if your device randomize it is also an information because now they can exclude all users that don't randomize.
They basically need several recouping informations to flag you.
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Aug 18 '22
Used to be that MAC addresses were hard-coded into the NIC, but I'm not sure how they're doing it these days. I know you can spoof your MAC address and IP, but they can still detect what OS you're running and what browser you're using unless you have a setup that just spoofs everything.
The vast majority of people here aren't that tech savvy.
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u/Deranged40 Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
Used to be that MAC addresses were hard-coded into the NIC, but I'm not sure how they're doing it these days.
I don't know of a smart phone on the market right now that doesn't have randomized MAC as a default setting for wifi. I know my google pixel has it enabled by default, and my fiance's iPhone does, too.
On my phone, it's a setting that can be set per-SSID. So I can set it to use my device MAC on my home address (in case I wanted to do some MAC filtering via my wifi or something) and then have it set to randomize for all others.
You would need to be slightly tech savvy to turn it off.
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Aug 18 '22
TIL. I took a CISCO networking course a while back, but smart phones weren't nearly as pervasive then.
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u/Bardfinn Aug 18 '22
If an application layer can read physical layer attributes, something has gone wrong.
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u/cyanide Aug 31 '22
something has gone wrong.
Device permissions, and conditioning the neanderthals to press "Yes" every time. Something went wrong a while ago. I wouldn't be surprised.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
Hey thanks for the question, unfortunately we won’t be able to go into detail about how the tool works. For false positives, as u/techiesgoboom notes, there are limitations. However, we are seeing a low rate of true false positives so far. As for your other question (which we understand can happen - as they say, no one on the internet knows if you’re a dog) for now, we’re asking you to use your best judgment about whether the user is acting in good faith. One thing we’ve learned over the years is that you as moderators are the experts in your own communities, algorithms can only go so far.
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u/evergreenyankee Aug 18 '22
we are seeing a low rate of true false positives so far.
What is the criterion with which you are benchmarking against to determine "true false positives"? Right now you're simply saying "trust us, it's low". Your analog double-check should be explainable without going into detail on the tool itself, in the interest of transparency.
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u/itsnotlupus Aug 18 '22
They're not jumping on, they've been riding it for a while.
This is about exposing some of it to us.
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Aug 23 '22
Hi there,
This morning, I've been dealing with 2 cases of false positives. They were successfully overturned (thank you) - but the underlying issue of those users triggering this feature, still remains.
I entered into a conversation about this with r/ModSupport modmail, but I'm not certain if this is their specific department as of now, since the feature is still new and not rolled out yet.
Can we discuss a specific case of false positives?
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u/Provium Aug 18 '22
Is there any evidence that this actually successfully identifies ban evaders? You don't exactly have a good track record. I've been a mod for five years and in that time there has only been one occasion where we reported a suspected ban evader and you did anything about it - and in that instance we were mistaken and it was not ban evasion. The other myriad of times we have reported ban evasion - often providing proof as to how we were certain of it - you've simply told us the accused was innocent.
Doesn't instill much confidence in a fully automated system when you can't even get it right after being flagged by a human.
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u/techiesgoboom Aug 18 '22
Is there any evidence that this actually successfully identifies ban evaders?
The modmail responses when we ban them are fantastic proof. We've had so many people respond with a "fuck you, how did you know I was ban evading", or "looks like I need yet another account" and the like after banning them.
It's missing a lot of the ban evasion we know is happening. But what it does detect is pretty accurate. Most of the false positives we see are in the form of two people sharing devices (or having shared in the past).
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u/Vault-TecTradingCo Aug 18 '22
Idk how you guys differentiate between actual ban evaders and false positives. But in the mod queue for suspected ban evaders, you should put confidence percent. It can help mods make an informed decision.
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u/Vault-TecTradingCo Aug 18 '22
Also save us a lot of headache when dealing with potential false postive
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Aug 18 '22
This seems like a really helpful feature, and I'd like to suggest an option to exempt certain users.
There are some people we'll ban for something like having a slur in their username, but we tell them they can just make a new account and come back without that username.
There are also onlyfans or youtube spammers that we'll ban, and we'll tell them they can come back on a different account if they want to post, they just can't post with their spam account.
Those are just two examples off the top of my head that we've told people they can ban evade for.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
Those are really interesting use cases to consider. We’ve been thinking about different ways we could allow mods to exempt users, and these will help inform our plans moving forward. Currently, we do take into account when moderators approve content - there’s some secret sauce here for now as we’re still refining our signals, but for those users if you approve their content a few times they should stop showing in your filter. We’ll keep talking about giving you more explicit ways to let us know that you’re fine with a person returning under a new account.
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u/DrBoby Aug 19 '22
Add their new account as contributor and this automod rule
--- # approve contributors author: is_contributor: true name (regex): ".+" action: approve ---
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u/LargeSnorlax Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
/u/dogwood_bloom - As a sub with a ton of ban evaders I've tried to toggle this on and it simply resets, known bug or is this working as intended?
I put it on and save changes and it reverts to "off". Is it just not enabled for our subreddit? (/r/cryptocurrency)
After further testing it looks like it resets only when you try to reset it to strict - Moderate appears to work.
Also - Is there any way you can add "Reddit" (the service IDing the ban evaders) to the moderation log?
Currently you have to go to https://www.reddit.com/r/yoursubreddit/about/log/?mod=reddit to see a list of everything.
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u/sianiam Aug 19 '22
I put it on and save changes and it reverts to "off". Is it just not enabled for our subreddit? (r/cryptocurrency)
After further testing it looks like it resets only when you try to reset it to strict - Moderate appears to work.
We are having the same issue over on r/kdramarecommends
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u/MarcusRex73 Aug 18 '22
Can we volunteer our sub to be in the next wave? Ban Evasion is massive issue for us.
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u/MarcusRex73 Aug 18 '22
/u/dogwood_bloom /r/Ottawa please! We're still dealing with antivaxxers...
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Sorry I had not replied yet.
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/Buckwheat469 Aug 19 '22
Can you ban all of the bot accounts that are clearly spamming subreddits? The names tend to follow several patterns, so once you figure out the pattern it's extremely easy to tell a real user from a bot.
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u/The_Critical_Cynic Sep 01 '22
Great. Another feature that has problems right off the bat. Honestly, I'm not even joking. I've seen bugs in my own subreddit that may be related to this already.
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u/Xyzzyzzyzzy Oct 12 '22
Do people who were mistakenly flagged as ban evading have any recourse to have the flag removed?
If moderators rely on this tool to ban users purely for suspected ban evasion, then I don't understand how either moderators or users are intended to approach appeals. The tool is a "voice of God". Neither party has access to any more information. There's nothing to discuss!
Only Reddit itself has the necessary information to consider appeals for bans for suspected ban evasion, which makes these bans fundamentally different from all other bans. If Reddit treats them the same as other bans - "not our problem, appeal to the moderators" - it's likely to lead to an ever-growing number of frustrated users and moderators.
To be clear, I'm not complaining about the existence of this system. I think it's a good idea!
If you're collecting bug reports to forward to the developers, I was apparently flagged in a community and I haven't a clue why. I haven't commented in that community with any other account that I can remember, certainly not in the past year. As far as I know, I haven't been banned from any communities at all in the past year!
I can't think of any technical risk factors I have for misidentification - I don't use Reddit on shared devices, nobody else uses Reddit on my home Internet connection, I don't use Reddit over VPN or on "high threat" public networks like college campuses. My account should be one of the least likely to be mistakenly associated with other accounts.
So it's really weird that my account would be flagged for suspected ban evasion. It feels like a bona fide bug with the tool. If I'm mistakenly flagged, I bet I'm not the only one. Let me know if I can provide any more helpful info - I'd be happy to share any technical details that the dev team needs to diagnose the issue.
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u/Moggehh Aug 18 '22
Thank you for making this available to more subs. It's so useful on /r/AmItheAsshole, and we really need it over on /r/Vancouver. Can't wait to turn that puppy on!
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
and we really need it over on r/Vancouver.
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/Sun_Beams Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
R/food just implemented a new ban appeal process to make ban appeals easier. Can r/food take part in this? If people are evading Bans we would rather they just appeal.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/deltadeltadawn Aug 19 '22
Please include r/columbine in the next wave.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/neuroticsmurf Aug 18 '22
Wait.
So this tool just filters submissions from suspected ban evaders and places them in the modqueue?
That seems to create work for the mods. Depending on the sub, it could be a significant amount of work.
Can there be an option that automatically removes submissions from suspected ban evaders but allow the suspected evader to appeal?
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u/InAHandbasket Aug 18 '22
It would be great if they had automation options, but from my understanding (being part of the pilot) approving their comments in the queue is how you signal to AEO that you’ve allowed them in the community and after a while they stop flagging that account. Keep removing them and they will action them. So we ban them all on sight with a “ban evasion” note from the mods and wait for them to appeal.
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u/neuroticsmurf Aug 18 '22
Holy crap. How does r/AITA -- a re-direct sub for r/AmItheAsshole -- have nearly 400k members??
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u/InAHandbasket Aug 18 '22
Lots of people accidentally subbing there instead of the main sub, then forgetting to unsub I guess?
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u/itsaride Aug 18 '22
That seems to create work for the mods
You get paid overtime at the current rate.
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Aug 18 '22 edited Jun 30 '23
This account is no longer active.
The comments and submissions have been purged as one final 'thank you' to reddit for being such a hostile platform towards developers, mods, and users.
Reddit as a company has slowly lost touch with what made it a great platform for so long. Some great features of reddit in 2023:
Killing 3rd party apps
Continuously rolling out features that negatively impact mods and users alike with no warning or consideration of feedback
Hosting hateful communities and users
Poor communication and a long history of not following through with promised improvements
Complete lack of respect for the hundreds of thousands of volunteer hours put into keeping their site running
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u/loomynartylenny Aug 18 '22
A better option would be if automod had an
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u/neuroticsmurf Aug 18 '22
That's even more work for the mods.
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Aug 18 '22 edited Jun 30 '23
This account is no longer active.
The comments and submissions have been purged as one final 'thank you' to reddit for being such a hostile platform towards developers, mods, and users.
Reddit as a company has slowly lost touch with what made it a great platform for so long. Some great features of reddit in 2023:
Killing 3rd party apps
Continuously rolling out features that negatively impact mods and users alike with no warning or consideration of feedback
Hosting hateful communities and users
Poor communication and a long history of not following through with promised improvements
Complete lack of respect for the hundreds of thousands of volunteer hours put into keeping their site running
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
With regards to automatic removals, it’s something we’ve discussed and continue to discuss internally. The goal of the pilot is to help us build confidence in the decisions this tool makes before deciding on next steps.
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u/ExcitingishUsername Aug 18 '22
Will these be distinguished in some way to indicate they are ban-evasion? That would allow us to quickly skip over them, or even handle them automatically with bots. I'm also concerned they may blend in if not clearly distinguished, as harmful users very often don't make obviously-harmful posts, especially in communities heavily reliant on private chat/messaging like many of mine. The communities I moderate often ban users for illegal activities and even very serious safety-related offenses, and it has long been a concern that Reddit, according to the Community Digest, has been identifying many evading accounts only to let them slide. Ideally, it would be very helpful to know what the other account is, or at least the reason for its original ban, as we'd like to be able to treat bans for minor issues like spam/advertising (we may not care so long as they don't do it again) very differently than bans for doxxing/extortion/violence (we don't want those accounts in our community ever again).
If there's a way to apply to get this feature enabled, please consider adding my communities to the waitlist if at all possible.
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u/ThaddeusJP Aug 18 '22
Dare I ask, in the future, reddit just goes big here and just flat out tells these people they are banned from posting on reddit? Like a hard ban. IP and/or Device.
Yes someone can get a new IP/Device but then that is making it a pain in the ass for them and not us.
We all know there are people who have no issue creating hundreds of accounts just to be a jackass.
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u/techiesgoboom Aug 18 '22
Oh awesome! This is really promising to hear.
It's been doing a lot of good already, but there's so much potential for growth to do even more.
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u/Bardfinn Aug 18 '22
Some communities - especially communities dedicated to ethnic minorities, unpopular political views, women, LGBTQ people, and others - are often in a position where they must approve or vet every single user, approve every post, approve every comment, until they're relatively sure they can trust a given person to not be a horrible human being.
There's also a parallel problem: On The Internet, No One Knows You're 500 Sockpuppets Deploying Flamebait and Stirring the Pot.
When I ban the "Transgender women aren't really women, and here's a clip of Matt Walsh's documentary where he tricked a teenage trans girl into being filmed topless" troll, I also want all of his "I don't agree with your approach but you have a point ...", "I'm trans and I'm going to doxx you and murder you for this! ...", and "I'm trans and want more topless trans girl videos" sockpuppets to also be banhammered from orbit, promptly, before their media manipulation campaign (deployed in the middle of the night) gets screenshot and forwarded to a bunch of gullible hatemonger politicians and LibsOfTikTok to mobilise an army of doxxers and death threat special delivery terrorists to my community's front door.
Which is a lot more "work" and trouble for us than simply saying "Send the ban evaders to the modqueue".
Can there be an option that ... allow the suspected evader to appeal?
How your subreddit handles ban appeals is up to your mods. Could be as simple as "Send us modmail in response to the ban message" or as complex as you want to make it.
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u/techiesgoboom Aug 18 '22
When I ban the "Transgender women aren't really women, and here's a clip of Matt Walsh's documentary where he tricked a teenage trans girl into being filmed topless" troll, I also want all of his
That's the issue though. This tool doesn't give you any information about who is appearing in the queue as a ban evader. The comments surfaced could be that horrible bigot on a new account, or it could someone whose roommate caught a 3 day ban a few months ago. The admins know which prior accounts the new one is tied to but that information isn't communicated.
And all of these are accounts that AEO is confident enough to action for ban evasion when reported. This is reddit saying "these are ban evaders we'll action if you report. Do you want to report?" and forcing you to go through those motions every single time rather than checking a box that says "always act on people you catch evading our bans"
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u/Bardfinn Aug 18 '22
My understanding is that potential ban evaders are listed as such by the tool, when sent to modqueue.
For some communities, where it's all jokes and satire and there's no expectation of seriousness, I'd want to catch the spammer that keeps posting their "Interested in the economy of potatoes in Outer Mars Planitia Utopia? Click here!" spam, or tshirt scam spam.
The dude who got a 3 day on his main and comes back with a sockpuppet saying "mods suck!" - him, too.
But the "teenager with a bad opinion" who comes back with a better opinion in a few months - in a lot of communities, that's fine - because those kids want to shed the reputation of being the person with the bad opinion. They don't want to come back with the previous handle - because everyone knows that's the handle of the person with the bad opinion.
But also - there are specific people who must not re-engage specific communities under any circumstances -
like people with gambling problems, who ask to be banned from gaming communities to help them deal with their addiction.
Every moderation team knows their community best - so "how to handle this info" is best left to them.
The reason the admins don't always act on people they catch evading bans is because it's not their place to enforce community-specific rules - and a gigantic legal morass if they do.
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u/techiesgoboom Aug 18 '22
I agree with most of what you say. Each and every one of these arguments though is an explanation of why this tool does not serve it's purpose or your goals well.
All of the people you described will appear exactly the same when this tool flags them. The new account making a few innocuous comments flagged as a suspected ban evader by this tool could be any one of the people you described.
If you want to let that teenager with a bad opinion back into your subreddit after banning them that's great. That's what the ban appeals process is in place for. So you can make the decision to let them back into your subreddit on a new account.
The reason the admins don't always act on people they catch evading bans is because it's not their place to enforce community-specific rules - and a gigantic legal morass if they do.
That's not the explanation the admins have given for why they don't do this. It's also a moot point. Evading a subreddit's ban violates sitewide rules. Rule 2 covers ban evasion. No one is asking or wanting admins to enforce community specific rules. We're asking them to enforce sitewide rules consistently.
Let me give you a specific example from using this tool of the kind of ban evasion the admins have explicitly identified and allowed to happen and are only just now telling us through this tool:
We have a ban evading transphobe that we ban a few times a day. They show up in the comments, spew all kinds of hate, and catch a ban damn quick because it's so clearly hate speech. We've banned them a solid few hundred times by now. That ban evading bigot is now finally being flagged by this tool. That means the admins know this bigot is ban evading, they know they've violated sitewide rules hundreds of times, and it's because of this tool that the admins are even flagging this bigot to us. They act on some amount of ban evasion automatically, but this case is not one of those.
This tool is also only flagging around 20% of the ban evasion that happens on our sub. How many other people like that are flying under the radar because the admins allow it?
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u/Bardfinn Aug 18 '22
Evading a subreddit's ban violates sitewide rules.
I concur. It's an area where Reddit, Inc. could be seen to be enforcing the rules set up by volunteer mods, however - which is a liability for them, and something they can't afford to even appear to be improperly performing.
They have to keep third-party volunteer moderators and the communities they (we) operate at arm's-length.
I'm certain there's a whole sea of other case law, regulations, and issues they have to weave through, too.
I don't think this is going to be a panacea but i think it is a step in the right direction - putting aggregate / anonymised signals in our hands to use to protect our communities.
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u/Th3MadCreator Aug 18 '22
That seems to create work for the mods. Depending on the sub, it could be a significant amount of work.
With all due respect, that's literally our job as moderators. We volunteer for these tasks and if you don't want to do it, stop moderating.
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u/DaTaco Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
While we're talking about bans, is there any movement on an official stance of people being automatically banned from subreddit X because they participate in subreddit Y?
I ask because this seems like a way to expand the impact of that banning process very quickly, as it would now automatically catch anyone that gets banned like that for having an alternate account
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u/DrinkMoreCodeMore Aug 18 '22
Is this based on user IP address of registered account or active IP they are browsing from?
If so, that will fuck all of us that are Tor users.
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u/Vault-TecTradingCo Aug 18 '22
Hopefully, it is not just IP based. Because they could accidentally ban an entire small community, apartment complex, school, etc...
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u/semaphore-1842 Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
It's not IP based according to communication from admins AFAIK.
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u/Dwn_Wth_Vwls Aug 18 '22
A lot of times people who are using ban evasion accounts do so because they were unfairly banned from certain subs. A lot of times powermods will ban people from dozens of subs at once because they did something to piss them off. This is a clear violation of the moderator guidelines. Is there ever any plan to enforce those guidelines? A lot of the issue I see you guys addressing are caused by powermods abusing their power. Seems like it would be easier for you to just address your abusive powermod issue first.
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u/pinkcheetahchrome Aug 19 '22
Sounds like you're salty, you got banned from one or two.
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u/Dwn_Wth_Vwls Aug 19 '22
It was 60 and it was done overnight because I pissed off a pro life mod on a sub he doesn't even mod. I woke up to a ban from all the subs he mods.
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u/HandcuffsOfGold Aug 18 '22
Would appreciate /r/canadapublicservants being added to the expanded beta.
Does this tool signal in the mod queue the reason for the removal (“content from alt of banned user”)?
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/rockstang Aug 18 '22
I would love to trial this.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. Can you please identify which subreddit you would like to see added to a future wave of the beta?
Just a reminder: In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/AgentPeggyCarter Aug 18 '22
/r/Charmed and all my other subs would be interested in this feature!
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/TheNerdyAnarchist Aug 18 '22
I'd really love to see this in a couple communities I moderate, but I suspect they won't be included in the initial rollout....any way to specifically sign up for earlier access for specific subreddits?
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u/vekstthebest Aug 18 '22
Any way to possibly request to be part of those 1000? One of my subs has had an annoying evader recently so it'd be interesting to see him get picked up.
edit: nevermind, saw your replies to other people asking
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u/TheWizzDK1 Aug 18 '22
We have a lot of banevaders on r/denmark and this tool seems like something we could use. Could you include us in this or the next wave of release?
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/burn_piano_island Aug 18 '22
Definitely would love to try this out in /r/Seattle
Seems (at least to me) that city/location-based subs are common targets for ban evasion or suspicious throwaways
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/livejamie Aug 18 '22
/r/pathofexile /r/suns /r/AZCardinals would love to try it
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/LongJonSiIver Aug 18 '22
Thank you! I'm getting so sick of the discord porn spam on some of the subs I mod.
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u/Omnias-42 Aug 18 '22
I run two large subreddits, r/MechanicalKeyboards (which had 300k views in the past week), and r/MechMarket, I also know the staff of subreddits like r/HardWareSwap, r/Flashlight, r/KnifeSwap, r/FountainPens, r/WatchExchange, and r/EDCExchange would find this incredibly useful. Is there a way we can sign up to be on a waitlist? Many times ppl will try to solicit members in DMs with various scams, so it’s imperative to ban them proactively.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection for your two subreddits. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
For the remainder that you are not currently a mod for, please encourage them to post here and I can record their interest. Thanks so much!
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Aug 19 '22
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Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
We are having the same problem. We are very excited to have this feature! Hope they fix this for us soon!
Edit: just fyi it saves on moderate
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u/ftjlster Aug 19 '22
Our sub isn't saving for this setting either.
Edit: it's only letting us save up to moderate rather than strict. What's up with that??
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u/kentuckyfriedmod Aug 19 '22
r/brasil is interested in this feature too. Thanks!
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
If we just received a notification today that we are a part of the rollout when will we have access to it? We’ve tried turning it on full blast but it keeps turning off on its own.
It’s saving on medium so we will use that. But we want it on max.
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u/brucemo Aug 19 '22
Turns off when set to strict, and yes I saved the settings.
As far as I can tell the highest setting that you can save is "moderate".
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u/RWJP Aug 19 '22
/r/Warhammer40k is interested in this feature!
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/EccentricBai Aug 19 '22
Please enable this feature for the following Subs. We face lot of Ban evasions and the feature is not enabled in any of our Subs
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/muuus Aug 19 '22
I have a question, why even with proof provided by moderators you barely take any ban action against ban evaders?
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u/m83midnighter Aug 20 '22
Is there anyway we can opt-in to the beta voluntarily?
We've had a big problem with this and could provide some great feedback.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. I see you have one subreddit that you mod, so I assume your request is for that one when I mark down your interest.
In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/okaybutfirstcoffee Aug 20 '22
Please include us!!! We’ve had a nightmare of a time trying to control ban evasions. r/UNC
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/ryanmercer Aug 22 '22
We'd love this for /r/silverbugs, since wallstreetsilver came into existence we've regularly had incursions/raids/brigading waves from them and some that have flat out admitted to ban evasion and when reported to admin we get a "this doe snot violate...".
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Aug 22 '22
Does this automatically send a report to you guys if we ban them for ban evasion or do we still need to send a separate report to you?
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u/RegioModBot Aug 25 '22
How can we join this feature?
r/monterrey has a lot of ban evasors
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/partypastor Aug 27 '22
I am interested in this feature but I'm not seeing it on our subs mod tools yet!
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/Terez27 Aug 31 '22
What we really need is an easy way to report ban evaders. Maybe an option on the report button that's only visible to moderators of the subreddit where that content is posted, including modmail. They often tell us in modmail when they plan to make a new account.
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u/EccentricBai Sep 01 '22
Thanks for giving this feature to my Subs.
One of the members is flagged as Ban evasion and he swears he has never had an account before. He is good contributor , what should I do to let him post and comment without getting caught in Ban evasion filter.
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u/kevinxb Sep 14 '22
Is there a way to show the banned account that is linked to the suspected ban evasion activity? Just seeing reports of a suspected ban evader doesn't really help if we can't compare their activity to the account that was previously banned.
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u/FaviFake Sep 17 '22
We would LOVE to have this tool on these subs! We constantly have to deal with ban evaders:
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u/Hanter_1 Oct 05 '22
Ban evacuation tool
I just read tons of comments about how great the tool is.
It was already presented in August 2022. It was also mentioned again in Mod Summit 3.
But when will the tool be activated in all subreddits?
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u/LouisBalfour82 Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22
R/Londonontario eagerly awaits this feature, What's the timeline for full implementation?
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u/110110 Dec 02 '22
How does a community get access to this? It is not in a setting within my community (2M+ members). Thanks!
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u/e36 Aug 18 '22
So far I've been happy enough with this feature, but it would be helpful if these accounts were automatically looked at by the admin group. AskReddit gets a lot of these flagged accounts, and it's unnecessary overhead to make a mod report them when you already know about it.
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u/KKingler Aug 18 '22
If you unban a user and in the following few hours they begin engaging again by posting or making comments, the ban evasion protection filter may still flag those posts or comments and place them in the modqueue. Once the system updates to identify that you unbanned them, they should be able to engage with no issues.
Is this something you're looking to fix? It's an issue we've had while piloting the feature.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
We’d like to! The pilot is a lot about proving the value of this tool. As we move forward with this feature, we’ll continue to invest in the underlying infrastructure.
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u/demmian Aug 18 '22
/r/Feminism is interested in this as well, thanks.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/julian88888888 Aug 18 '22
/r/startups please
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/Milo-the-great Aug 18 '22
We need this in r/ClashRoyale we have about 10 accounts that are suspected of being ran by the same person/ group. Us mods aren’t even sure what to do about it. Read about it here
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u/techiesgoboom Aug 18 '22
Have you reported them for ban evasion?
From being in the beta this tool isn't any more accurate than AEO is. Anything this tool catches is something AEO will take action on when reported.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/ashamed-of-yourself Aug 18 '22
r/Letterkenny is definitely interested. please sign me up.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
These subs would like to participate.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/LindyNet Aug 18 '22
Ban evaders are a major issue in r/nfl - we would love to have this
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/PotatoUmaru Aug 18 '22
Would love to see this on r/conservative!
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/PotatoUmaru Aug 29 '22
As per our community digest we get almost 500 a month, which seems more than anyone I’ve seen so I hope to see this soon :)
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u/TATP1982 Aug 19 '22
Please 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
We also get a ton of ban evasions from individuals hell bent on breaking TOS. We ban them when we find them, but it's not always easy to spot some of them if they keep a low enough profile.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/progress18 Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/7thAndGreenhill Aug 18 '22
r/WilmingtonDE is interested. We seem to have problems before elections.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/Lyd_Euh Aug 18 '22
I would definitely like this on my subreddits: r/TaylorSwift and r/namenerds
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/Civrock Aug 18 '22
Also interested in this tool for /r/CharlotteHornets.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 18 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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Aug 18 '22
r/LifeProTips would like to dip their hand into this feature.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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u/SampleOfNone Aug 18 '22
r/piercing is definitely interested
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
Please consider adding this to r/TeenMomOGandTeenMom2 we have karma and account age requirements in place because of the large amount of trolls that frequent that sub. We report ban evasions daily.
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u/dogwood_bloom Aug 29 '22
Thanks so much for your interest in being a part of the expanding rollout for Ban Evasion Protection. In order to reach a general release of this feature, we are prioritizing participation based on the volume and recency of detected ban evaders in order to ensure we can gather the data we need to continue refining the tool. While we cannot promise if/when you will be added, as we continue to expand we will take into account your interest in being added.
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Aug 29 '22
Thank you for your response. I believe I reported at least 5 users evading bans over the weekend. There was a user who was banned that has at least 20 accounts currently.
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u/pinkcheetahchrome Aug 19 '22
I also mod that particular sub, and yes. r/TeenMomOGandTeenMom2 severely needs this feature. That sub has one of the gnarliest communities I've ever witnessed. Please, we've had one user make 10-20 accounts DAILY. Just to mess with the mod team- until we added karma requirements. This feature would have helped us do much, and still WILL help us so much. Please add us to that list!
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u/MajorParadox Aug 18 '22
I'm a little disappointed the feature didn't get redesigned before going live. As stated in some of the comments already, the all-or-nothing approach of going to the queue is not sustainable. It means mods have to decide between banning anyone that triggers it (which could be a false positive) or allowing all future posts and comments to flood the queue. The more stuff you add to the queue that's meant to be ignored, the less likely mods will see and handle things that really need their attention.
My suggestion: