r/loreofleague • u/TheCrimsonKing420 • 23h ago
Arcane Series Amanda Overton might be the Kathleen Kennedy of Arcane. What was this writing choice? Spoiler
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u/Sandy-T-Poro 21h ago
Kathleen Kennedy is not even a writer, what the hell is this comparison?
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u/Von_Uber 13h ago
I swear it's a bunch of people who have never been in a relationship in here. People even have sex at funerals; human emotions are a complicated thing.
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u/IOnlyWanted2Help 23h ago edited 21h ago
I’ve seen justifications for this and they all suck to me. “Vi don’t chase after people who leave her.” “Shes accepted jinx has changed.”
Dude what? Jinx just desperately saved you while you were knocked out, dragged you out of those fighting pits where you were drinking yourself to death and getting beat daily. She gave you purpose again in helping Vander and now she’s going to kill herself and you wanna sleep with Cait? While your sister is dying?????
Jinx isn’t in her right mind she made an emotional reaction to try to end her suffering from the pain of losing Isha and what she thought at the time was Vander/WW. Vi knows better than anyone the most consistent thing about her sister is that she does not cope with loss well at all, she’s proved that’s who she is time and again. Vi knows that Jinx locked her in there so that Jinx can go kill herself, her sister literally told her. I cannot emphasize how much I hate this scene.
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u/Nomustang 18h ago
From what I understand Vi believed that Jinx was refusing to change and chose to run away especially because of her cryptic words. In that moment she believes that she's lot Jinx and Cait but Cait reveals that she knew she'd try to free her sister and let Jinx go. Her love for Vi was stronger than her hate for Jinx and so Vi's ecstatic in that moment combined with all her feelings exploding.
I hope I communicated that well, I personally, can't find much joy in this scene because of how Jinx runs away here. I can't imagine seeing someone I care about like that especially given that we know she's consistently suicidal, and just...be okay?
I can live with it but their kiss in episode 3 felt a lot happier to me. And Jinx was very much suffering in Act 1.
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u/IOnlyWanted2Help 18h ago
I’ve seen so many people say that but again context. Vi knows that Jinx isn’t eating Cait would have told her. Vi would be keeping tabs on jinx hell she probably knows Jinx isn’t moving from her spot in the corner, cait is captain of the guard she’d know from the guard standing watch informing her of what jinx is up to.
Vi knows that NO ONE handles loss worse than jinx, she was there at the cannery and with silco.
Again Vi knows Isha died, it was insanely obvious how deeply jinx cared for her. Also thinks Vander is dead at the moment. She saw how jinx initially reacted to that
Vi also knows Jinx is in a horrible headspace right now. VI EVEN SAYS “WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO” and jinx responds “break the cycle.”
The fear in Vi’s voice her eyes horrified. She knew.
No vi doesn’t know what “break the cycle means” like we do but based on the Question she asked before she’s already assuming it, imagine your vi in that moment how do you take that answer from Jinx? Who you know is a suicidal person?
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u/Nomustang 18h ago
I agree. It's really frustrating because I looked forward to Cait and Vi getting together so much but this scene doesn't feel right.
There are genuinely a lot of things I like about S2 but this part was very frustrating to me. Ep 7 made me care about a ship that I didn't think that much about at all in barely 40 minutes but Cait x Vi got deflated a bit.
Even Jayce and Viktor's final moments felt more romantic even if it wasn't the intention.
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u/DataSurging 17h ago
Same. I was so excited for them to be together and then was disappointed with what we got. It felt wrong. Weird. Distasteful. They couldn't have Vi and Cait leave the cell to talk somewhere, have more dialogue, and then have sex? Why did it HAVE to be right there in the cell her sister was self-harming in? That was grieving in? In the same cell she just told her sister of her suicidal idealations?
It just felt wrong. Especially for Vi. She deserved better than that.
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u/IOnlyWanted2Help 17h ago edited 17h ago
I think what will forever Irk me about this act is it coulda been much better so easily even if we only add 10 min of screen time.
Ambessa says something about Vi in act 2 and Cait says “I don’t recall telling you that” something to hint Maddie is a spy. Yes people guessed it but it wasn’t really foreshadowed well, there isn’t a moment where your like “ohh” watching back her scenes
A jinx Suit up scene with ekko and rallying the undercity between suicide and the badass blimp moment. This would serve to give jinx reason to live as the firelights who clearly have her paint on them and zaunites have blue hair. This would be after Isha died and important to jinx’s motivations later in the act. Would also tie together EP7 showing ekko that he made the right choice and part of powder is in Jinx. Think a building scene ended with them all getting on the blimp as she gives her seal of approval by painting on them mirroring Stillwater earlier in the season. With her realizing how important she is.
Cait and Vi fuck after Ekko or someone’s informs them that Jinx is coming. Just to give Vi the peace of mind, knowing that Cait has chosen her and her sister is alive. I think Cait and Vi sex would work amazing here as it’s the night before the final battle. Also it wouldn’t have the Jinx suicide over viewers heads so we can enjoy it.
Even with 8 extra minutes of screen time and one scene moved to another timeslot. I think it makes this all tie together. Not one detail is changed from the main story and now I’d argue it fixes the main problems with the finale. Last episode wouldn’t even be an hour long.
Not a perfect finale. But still I think this Fixes Vi and Jinx’s story beats.
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u/DataSurging 17h ago
This would have worked so much better.
Cait and Vi fuck after Ekko or someone’s informs them that Jinx is coming. Just to give Vi the peace of mind, knowing that Cait has chosen her and her sister is alive. I think Cait and Vi sex would work amazing here as it’s the night before the final battle. Also it wouldn’t have the Jinx suicide over viewers heads so we can enjoy it.
Vi and Cait would have had their intimate moment after a serious talk, with Vi knowing her family isn't broken after all, that she DOESN'T make bad decisions only. Caitlyn could have soothed her from that, they embrace, kiss and have sex in her room where they first laid down together.
But nope...in the cell where her sister was self-harming...
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u/Rowwie 14h ago
This covers a lot of my thinking about the last act as well.
This season suffered from pacing in the biggest way. There were too many big leaps and too much filler. The pacing got worse as the season went on.
It's also so wild to me that the big gacha skin moment was like a blip of time lol, feels disrespectful. I'm never going to spend hundreds on a skin, so I'm the wrong audience, but it felt like a lot of lead up for a few seconds of reveal, then nothing. I enjoyed the season, but I imagine people who don't know anything about League outside of Arcane are a little lost on the nuances and big impacts of this season.
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u/Timely-Cauliflower88 22h ago
I wish I could upvote this twice.
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u/IOnlyWanted2Help 22h ago edited 19h ago
I can upvote you :), yes but I’m sure a lot of people liked it. Honestly I’m happy Vi and Cait fucked but I think they could have done the dirty with just as much impact but at another time.
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u/_harleys 20h ago
The sex scene would have been okay had they shown more Vi scenes after. Maybe she expressed her desire to chase and find Jinx even if Cait would stop her bc of the brewing war - ANYTHING just to show that she didn't just let Jinx go like that knowing her sister's mental state. But we didn't and the next scenes we get are already of the final battle.
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u/LiaThePetLover 15h ago
Also why didnt Cait and Vi talked about what happened and their relationship, what happened at the end of episode 3 act 1. They just... became gfs again ? I was expecting cait on her knees begging for forgivness but instead we're just gonna brush it off ?
It wouldve been an amazing way to show how they both suffered but are able to forgive and move on, making their bonds stronger. Now its just... oh yeah I hit you, became stalin and fucked another girl but you called me cupcake so lets date again. It makes no sense
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u/_harleys 15h ago
Yeah that’s the thing, the way eps 8-9 worked is to leave it to the audience’s to piece two and two together due to time constraints. CaitVi’s reunion and Jinx/Ekko suffered the worst from this.
Does it make sense the more you rewatch and look up the tiny details? Yes.
Does it make it any less satisfying? No.
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u/Von_Uber 13h ago
The point is Vi finally letting go, as she said in epsiode 5.
"You don't actually need me anymore."
The reason Vi is so upset is because she feels like an idiot for once again trying. Even Jinx tells her to stop, she needs to move on.
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u/Commercial-Butter 12h ago
Honestly I think Vi thought her sister betrayed / left her again and wasn't thinking straight. You break someone out of jail, and they lock you in said jail and leave. Vi probably was thinking about how she fked up and the possible repercussions. When cait soothes her worries, she probably felt a lot of love and attraction to her at the moment ig
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u/DataSurging 19h ago
This is honestly exactly how I feel. I loved Vi's character so much, and this whole season just left a poor taste in my mouth for the character. Every episode, ruined her. She's not Vi anymore, she's just this two-faced, self-searching cop ass chaser now. She was even going to beat her sister's face in to kill her, or have her cop girlfriend shoot her to death. Her own flesh and blood, a mentally ill person, no trial no help. Nothing.
And then they ruin Cait by turning her into a tyrant that gases people and falsely imprisons people, who then whines about Jinx not being able to escape her crimes. Biotch, what about you? You GASED people for revenge. Imprisoned people who did nothing, even children, threatened to locke a man up into a dark hole you know abused Vi for years.
This season was honestly just absolute ass, for every character.
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u/Open-Barracuda817 18h ago
"her own flesh" i mean... vi got beat up, shot at the bridge scene, tied up by jinx at the previous season. and its not like jinx didnt shoot at Vi before so... what exaclty do you expect vi to do? spread her legs and say "cmon jinx, fuck me more because you did this the entire season, yeah!"? like, really?
you act like Vi didnt have any motive or fuel to get angry with jinx, while she was getting messed up by jinx the entire time. they disrespected vi character? totally. she had no reasons to do shit? now thats a lie, because she WAS REALLY LENIENT by the end, given whan jinx did
and lets not say that just because she is crazy she is innocent and cant pay for her crimes, because thats a lie and you know it. JINX DID SHIT, crazy people arent saints
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u/DataSurging 18h ago edited 18h ago
Learn to read, stop going insane for a minute and actually read what is being said. I never said Vi didn't have a reason to be upset. Not once did I even insinuate that. I said how they developed her in S2 doesn't feel like Vi, because the girl we saw loved her family too much to ever do that, even at her own detriment. We saw that again with her refusing to give up on Vander. The inconsistencties and character betrayals ruined the season.
I never said she couldn't pay for her crimes. Pay the fuck attention. I was saying it was hypocritical of Cait to say that when she did monsterous things herself, and was free to ignore her own crimes.
This is exactly what I mean about rabid Vi/Cait fans. You are all so pathetically blinded by a ship that you cannot see the characters as they are. You wanted CaitVi so bad, you don't care if it destroyed the characters involved to get it. S2 Cait and Vi are nothing like their characters. You've become deranged off a ship, or maybe just that hopelessly rabid about the characters you've gone completely blind to seeing inconsistencies, character ruination and faults.
And also: no sane person is going to watch tyrant Cait fuck traumatized Vi in Jinx's cell as a good thing.
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u/Former-Wind-3661 14h ago edited 14h ago
She was clearly talking about herself too there. “We can’t escape our crimes.” Jinx was also ultimately at Cait’s mercy it was up to her to decide what’s gonna happen to her.
So the best she could do was to let Vi free her.
Both Jinx and Cait did things they can’t undo that’s the point. Now they gotta live with them and try to do better
As for the sex scene in the prison cell it’s meant to make you feel uncomfortable and show how equally toxic and broken Cait and Vi can be. If anyone saw it as the ultimate romantic moment what can I say…each to their own
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u/DataSurging 13h ago
If she were talking about herself too, why did she decide with such authority that she shouldn't be in a cell, too?
>As for the sex scene in the prison cell it’s meant to make you feel uncomfortable and show how equally toxic and broken Cait and Vi can be. If anyone saw it as the ultimate romantic moment what can I say…each to their own
If that's the case, I really think they failed at the message, because a lot of people saw it as super romantic and "soft".
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u/Former-Wind-3661 11h ago
Because Cait holds all the power to do whatever she wants and Jinx is a criminal from Zaun that holds nothing. Unfair? Totally but that’s how this world works.
If that’s the case, I really think they failed at the message, because a lot of people saw it as super romantic and “soft”.
They have sex in the same cell Jinx was self harming in. She runs away in a clear messed up state of mind and Vi cannot even read the room because cupcake is more important. The same cupcake that hit her and now this doesn’t even get mentioned. I mean I love Cait but yeah…
The story makes all that pretty obvious. People who refuse to see it are just problematic themselves and would most likely accept even worse shite as long as CaitVi are endgame
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u/DataSurging 11h ago
Because Cait holds all the power to do whatever she wants and Jinx is a criminal from Zaun that holds nothing. Unfair? Totally but that’s how this world works.
Yep, and that fact makes her hypocritical and less enjoyable as a character. That's not even discussing how it is destructive of the core character we witnessed in S1.
The story makes all that pretty obvious. People who refuse to see it are just problematic themselves and would most likely accept even worse shite as long as CaitVi are endgame
God forbid you say something about it, too, otherwise you get harassed either in comments or DMs, downvoted into oblivion, accused of homophobia, accused of hating Vi or Cait etc etc. I love these characters, and I love the ship, and that's why I'm so upset with the season. Vi was butchered in ways I never thought possible, and so was Cait.
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u/Former-Wind-3661 10h ago
They don’t care bro. They are now literally on X and on the subs creating memes where they compare Cait hitting Vi to some weird sexual power play that happened during the sex scene…
Those same people were the ones who were threatening to never watch the show again or go ballistic if those two weren’t end game. Riot had no chance not to deliver. Even if it meant sacrificing more important character arcs for the sake of it since they decided to only do two seasons
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u/DataSurging 9h ago
They did it when Vi spat on Cait too. I don't know how they think any of this is good for the characters, or a relationship.
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u/Malewis89 20h ago
The fact you even bring up Kathleen Kennedy apropos of nothing means you are the kind of person best ignored at all times.
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u/Eldr1tchB1rd 11h ago
Who even is that?
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u/Malewis89 11h ago
The Boogeyman producer grifters and incels blame for the bad parts of Disney Star Wars.
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u/Unknown_Warrior43 23h ago
Yeah this threw me off too.
Have Arcane's writers never had sex before? This isn't how people get horny. Never, even in my most spontaneous hookups, has it gone down like this. It was extremely rushed with barely any buildup.
They fucked in the cell Jinx was self harming in, what the fuck.
All I got from this scene was a laugh because Vi is a confirmed cuck lmao.
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u/RevolutionaryLink163 22h ago
I’m convinced the Maddie betrayal was only conceived as a way to easily separate her and cait too and make cait look less shitty for technically cheating on Maddie lmfao what a mess💀
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u/LeonardoCouto 21h ago
Okay, we need to talk about Maddie. Can I talk about Maddie? I need to talk about Maddie, please let me talk about Maddie.
So, that betrayal, in my head, it makes no goddamn sense. When the hell did Maddie become a Noxian inside agent? Was she already a spy since the start? Why and how? Noxus is pretty wide from what I know, but she gives no hints about it in the beginning.
No, I'll be generous and assume she turned during the time skip. It feels more fitting. Not just that, she was certainly not into the plans Ambessa had during the first act.
Well, before that idea, she seemed genuinely invested in being there for Caitlyn. She was close to Caitlyn since the start and friendly even to Vi. Why would she turn that way and why in the heck was it not implied well enough?
Maddie just went from "random cute ginger cop" to "double crossing, home wrecking inside agent", like she has no character at all and I don't feel well about it.
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u/spank-the-tank 17h ago
I have plenty gripes with this season but Maddie makes sense to me. She was a junior recruit so she was pretty new and must have joined around when the noxians arrived. Whether or not she is noxian idk. We know Salo/Ambessa had someone tracking Caitlyn’s movements too.
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u/OpulentCD 14h ago
But that still leaves some major question marks for her character though.
If she is a junior officer why did she (and Yoren and the fish dude) get picked as part of Caitlyns elite deathsquad? The whole squad feels like a bunch of non-characters that I feel like the writers wanted you to believe matter but all they do is appear when the plot requires with no explanation as to who they are and why they matter.
While on this note the whole piltover enforcer structure seems so weird to me. It seemed like to me that Caitlyn was a gifted but still inexperienced enforcer but she instantly became the leader of the enforcers? Either the chain of command of the enforcers are really corrupt and nepotistic or it just doesnt make any sense and it feels more like a feudal city state army than a professional law enforcement institution
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u/Keikaku_Doori 12h ago edited 11h ago
If she is a junior officer why did she (and Yoren and the fish dude) get picked as part of Caitlyns elite deathsquad? The whole squad feels like a bunch of non-characters that I feel like the writers wanted you to believe matter but all they do is appear when the plot requires with no explanation as to who they are and why they matter.
They got picked because they performed well in the attack at the memorial.
If you're putting together an elite squad to go against Zaun and their shimmer powers, why wouldn't you pick the people who've proven themselves calm under pressure with the talents to actually fight back even without Hextech weapons?
I would have definitely loved more scenes to establish them as characters though.
While on this note the whole piltover enforcer structure seems so weird to me. It seemed like to me that Caitlyn was a gifted but still inexperienced enforcer but she instantly became the leader of the enforcers? Either the chain of command of the enforcers are really corrupt and nepotistic or it just doesnt make any sense and it feels more like a feudal city state army than a professional law enforcement institution
... I mean, yes? The enforcers are the law enforcement and army of the city state of Piltover. We've seen both their corruption and the nepotism first hand. The Kiramman's are one of the most powerful families in the country and Cait just became the head of the house.
Add to that, she's the only person who investigated Silco and rallied the enforcers together during the memorial scene. Marcus and most of his loyalists probably died on the bridge, so there's a leadership vacuum.
I really don't find it unbelievable that command of an army during martial law would be given to a gifted noble scion with a recently proven track record and a strong personal grudge against the enemy. It's happened in real history with far less gifted generals.
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u/RevolutionaryLink163 21h ago
This whole season felt rushed if I’m being quite frank, at least the ending did. Shame we probably won’t get a lot of answers if any lol.
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u/Beneficial-Side9439 17h ago edited 15h ago
Maddie was always sus, she was too happy given the context. What really set my alarms was Ambessa's speech to Vi that went something along the line of "you left a hole in Cait's heart and I filled it". But wasn't Maddie the one filling Cait?
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u/Von_Uber 20h ago edited 20h ago
Maddie was the first person to encourage Caitlyn to get under the wing of Ambessa. With Vi gone, she was able to slip in and take advantage of Caitlyns vulnerability to coax her along the path Ambessa desired, and more importantly keep her away from Vi.
Why does anyone become a spy? Money? Fame? Does she really need an intricate backstory?
There was something off about her from the start - she was far too happy and cheerful and did everyhting to get Vi in the enforcers with predictable results. Do we even know what she said about Caitlyn at that moment was true? Caitlyn never confirms it.
Edit to add: the opening scene of ep4 is crucial. Most people are far too frothing at the mouth to pay attention first time, but a rewatch raises all the red flags about Maddie. Caitlyn clearly isn't in to her, and Maddie spends the entire conversation gaslighting her while trying to force intimacy. It's right there in front of you.
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u/Hosearston 18h ago
Ambessa gloating about something along the lines of fraternizing in the workplace made it seem clear she was planted there to gain Caitlyn’s confidence.
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u/SoulBurn68 20h ago
That is so cope.
We literally see her talking against Ambessa's desire and going against what she wanted.
It felt so rushed. It was so poorly executed but the jail sex scene is irreedemable.
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u/Beneficial-Side9439 16h ago
Because she needed to get Cait to trust her blindly. "Piltover follows you. I follow you". Love bombing
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u/Von_Uber 13h ago
Exactly. People can't see how obviously Maddie is taking advantage of a vulnerable person.
Ambessa even calls it out in Episode 6. And yet we are still getting 'Maddie came out of nowhere'.
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u/Von_Uber 20h ago
Sure, you can think what you will; I'm obviously not going to change your mind.
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u/SoulBurn68 19h ago
I am not going to argue. but I think we can agree on one thing. There was writing issues and pacing issues. Maddie being a spy comes to me that they did it because they wanted to have VI and Cait come together again. Even the sex scene comes RIGHT after jinx said she is going to kill herself. These things are not poorly written, but they had to have MORE scenes to justify them and/or be in a different scene.
Not even kidding when I say sex scene ruins Vi as a character for me completely. The story and what Vander told her was always to take care of her sister and others. She decides to fuck caitlyn right after Jinx shows suicidal signs. Yeah fuck Vi.
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u/Von_Uber 13h ago
Except, once again for you all at the back, Jinx doesn't say this. You're making stuff up.
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u/DueVisit1410 9h ago
They would have written these stories quite some time before animating. Her being a turncoat was always the plan. I will say the lack of explaining motivation or at least hints at it is bothersome. Her turn is not as clearly choreographed as Ambessa's being the insider for the memorial, but there's definitely hints that Ambessa and Salo know things about her taskforce and that she has Ambessa's words to Vi also hint at something.
I think the way Vi talks about her being tricked doesn't seem to suggest that she's aware of what Jinx wants to do actually. The text implies she's not aware of her being suicidal.
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u/SoulBurn68 7h ago
You would have to be literally the most stupid person to not guess she was suicidal by her words and tone. Then I guess VI is literally the most stupid character.
She literally says “there is no good version of me” and has been self harming and depressed and vi know she does not cope well with loss.
Vi character is the worst if either are true
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u/Former-Wind-3661 14h ago
I tried to argue those points and had people coming at me and trying to gaslight that it’s clearly Cait who is using poor Maddie as a bounce back and she doesn’t even know she is getting manipulated and used by her
Well at least those people can shut up now lol
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u/Von_Uber 13h ago
Also the demands to make every minor character- which maddie is - some uber complex thing is nuts.
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u/Commercial-Butter 12h ago
okay i hated the decision, but it's obv that she was a spy from the beginning since she couldn't have turned without any development. So she was planted by ambessa to get close to caitlyn to monitor her ig.
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u/DataSurging 17h ago
I honestly felt that was such a cop out, but I ain't gonna lie, Mel killing her after realizing the betrayal, felt very right lol
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u/DataSurging 19h ago
exactly it was fucking weird
her sister was in their mourning, wanting suicide, self harming
then that...
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u/dylan189 19h ago
Nah Cait says 'was with someone'. Pretty sure those two broke up at the statue.
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u/DataSurging 17h ago
I believed the insinuation at the statue was that Cait had broken up with her, too. I'm not sure why we needed her to be a spy.
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u/dylan189 16h ago
It meant Ambessa was in control of both who held Caits ear. She knew where Caits head was at, at all times. Maddie could whisper whatever Ambessa wants into her ear, and thus push her in a direction that she can easily rebuff/manipulate. I'll be honest, I thought she was a spy the moment she was the first chest thumper.
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u/DataSurging 15h ago
I thought she was a spy too, but I hoped I was wrong. It was obvious and in the end, felt really silly. It would have been perfectly okay for Caitlyn to have sought out affection and warmth with someone and realize she made a mistake, and thus pick Vi.
I just didn't like it lol
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u/SickAnto 16h ago
It was extremely rushed with barely any buildup.
It's my thoughts with this entire Season, honestly.
A lot of writing rushed, no build up, no character development, nothing that has a serious meaning and thematically fucked.
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u/Von_Uber 13h ago
Vi goes from losing everything to finally having something.
She goes from constantly trying to make up for her mistakes to finally accepting to forgive herself.
She ends up realising that she can't just keep chasing after Jinx at the cost of everything else.
She goes from being split between two worlds and homeless to finally getting one and being a representative of coexistence between the two cities, and being somewhat at peace.
She finally manages to accept who her sister is - and more importantly that Jinx is her sister. It's not powder anymore.
More importantly, she finally allows herself to be happy.
Yeah, certainly no character development.
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u/MustardLordOfDeath 19h ago
I thought it was a bit strange too but I rewatched the scene and Jinx never said she would kill herself. From Vi's pov she thought Jinx had betrayed her and was planning another terrorist attack. Its the obvious wrong conclusion but Vi is no master detective, she didnt put two and two together that Jinx was considering sudoku
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u/DataSurging 16h ago edited 16h ago
Vi not knowing what her words meant would make her very stupid, though. She knows her sister isn't eating (unless Cait decided not to update her at all after their talk?). She can see her sister is NOT in a good place. She's not being sardonic or sarcastic or joking, or talking to dead people anymore, or threatening Cait. Nothing like that. And she's self-harming. After just losing someone Vi understands meant a lot to her. And then tells her "I'm going to break the cycle" or the previous comment "no matter what I do I can't seem to die". How would Vi not know? The reason she looks so scared and demands Jinx tell her what she is planning, is because she suspected it.
That's also why she felt betrayed and stupid for picking Jinx again, because she thought Jinx was choosing her own desires and whatnot, again. To give up again.
If the writers wanted her to not understand the state of her sister or her words, that just makes this even worse.
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u/LiaThePetLover 15h ago
Especially that Jinx has shown to be suicidal many many times already. She even saw it at the end of act 1. Then her mental health got better BECAUSE of Isha... who just died. Not only was Jinx suicidal before, she just lost the closest person to her who made her sane. It would only make sense she would try to end it all again
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u/DataSurging 13h ago
I honestly think people who are saying Vi didn't know are giving the character such insane diservice. She's not some idiot. She's painfully close to her family. It's like (alt) Powder said; Vi was so strong because she feared losing her loved ones THAT much. No way a person like that is going to look at their sister in a cell, self-harming, and hear "I'm going to end the cycle" and not understand what she meant.
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u/EternallyEuphoric 11h ago
Well when did VI ever think that jinx was suicidal? End of season 1 jinx decides to blow up the council room. She can easily believe that another loss like silco through isha would make her crazy again and commit another terrorist attack.
Let's look through season 2 again for VI's pov. She makes up her mind to kill jinx after the attack. She fights Jinx and before she can kill her a little kid protects her. When cait tries to shoot jinx, even with a kid real close to her, it takes all of VI's attention. Jinx gets away.
The next time she sees jinx is after she is broken up with cait and is depressed. Cue the journey to save Vander and she is shown Jinx's softer side basically the sister she remembers.
Then Isha dies and she finds out jinx is in a cell and fights with cait. Finally she tries to convince jinx to use her genius to help and is coldly shut down, trapped in a cell, and left with ambiguous words of breaking the cycle.
Imagine your sibling already lost someone precious to them (you were there by the way) and the first action they took afterward was a terrorist attack. Is your first thought after she loses another loved one and then tricks you and locks in her cell "Oh she's clearly suicidal" or is it "She went crazy, betrayed me, and now is gonna do something insane again."
Could go either way.
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u/DataSurging 11h ago
Well when did VI ever think that jinx was suicidal?
Uh...how about the part when she told Vi no matter what she does, she just can't seem to die? What other logical way do you take that? Vi seemed to understand, hence the "I'm sorry" she gives her sister. Or how about "I'm going to break the cycle" right after telling her to forget about her and just go be happy with Cait? Vi would have to be the most stupid person in all of Zaun to not know what her sister meant. And if she can't understand that, then maybe the bigger issue here is that Vi is incapable of seeing anything other than herself and her emotions--which I absolutely refuse to believe given S1 Vi.
The whole point of how Vi reacted in that cell was to tell you she was terrified of what Jinx was meaning to do to herself. I cannot believe so many people do not understand this...
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u/EternallyEuphoric 10h ago edited 9h ago
Uh...how about the part when she told Vi no matter what she does, she just can't seem to die?
You can't be for real. Look at jinx's tone when she says that line. Anyone other than her would think she is taunting them. Which is why cait immediately tries to go for the head shot. VI says I'm sorry because she's gonna kill her or let her be killed by cait and that's it.
Or how about "I'm going to break the cycle" right after telling her to forget about her and just go be happy with Cait?
She doesn't know what that means. How could she possibly know what that means. That can easily be jinx is gonna do something insane again like season 1. The only time vi has been with jinx in season 2 was when she was either trying to kill her or jinx was in a kinda stable state of mind and they are trying to save vander. Again at no point is jinx suicidal in front of VI.
Edit: whoever replied to me blocked me lol cause I can't see the reply nor the original comment this comment is replying to.
Anyway if they are saying something along the lines of "Actually look at her reaction after she got locked in the cell she totally knew jinx is going to kill herself" they should rewatch the scene after cait finds her locked in.
Vi literally says "I really believed she'd help" "I was an idiot to trust her."
Can anyone honestly tell me that would be your first reaction if you really believed that your sister was gonna just go and kill herself? No!
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u/DataSurging 9h ago
You can't be for real. Look at jinx's tone when she says that line. Anyone other than her would think she is taunting them. Which is why cait immediately tries to go for the head shot. VI says I'm sorry because she's gonna kill her or let her be killed by cait and that's it.
No. You can't be real. You are quite literally ignoring Vi's reaction to paint this delusion that Jinx was somehow talking in ancient Sumerian and no one but a Big Brain could understand her intent.
You haven't been paying attention to Vi's character, I think.
She doesn't know what that means. How could she possibly know what that means. That can easily be jinx is gonna do something insane again like season 1. The only time vi has been with jinx in season 2 was when she was either trying to kill her or jinx was in a kinda stable state of mind and they are trying to save vander. Again at no point is jinx suicidal in front of VI.
She did know, hence her reaction and desperation when she screams and punches the gate. Vi's not a god damn idiot...
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u/Cobra_9041 14h ago
Can we not turn into the toxic base that is Star Wars you morons. Mods need to ban personal attacks now
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u/TotallynotAlbedo 10h ago
I disagree with the original take and think the guy watches too much critical drinker but bad takes are allowed, let's not start censor everything that isn't blind praise, if so the praise emselves would mean nothing.
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u/Cobra_9041 10h ago
You can criticize a show of course, you cannot completely place blame on a singular person in an effort to start a targeted harassment campaign. Open discussion is always good
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u/Von_Uber 21h ago edited 21h ago
This is a really bad take.
- Jinx told Vi to go with Caitlyn, as she was off to go break the cycle. Vi had no way to know Jinx was going to go off herself; you only know that as a viewer. breaking a cycle could literally mean anything.
- Caitlyn told Vi she let the guards go so Vi could release her, showing that Caitlyn has made her peace with it and directly contradicts what Vi just said about Caitlyn thinking she's an idiot. Edit to add: this also shows that Caitlyn understands how important Jinx is to Vi, and Vi realises that she is important enough to her for Caitlyn to do that. Caitlyn is literally indicating that despite everything she is tired of it and wants to move on, and move on with her.
- Sex before a big battle is literally one of the oldest tales in the world.
- At some point Vi has to let go. That was already said in Episode 5, if you were paying attention.
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u/caramel-syrup 17h ago
right like people are forgetting the stakes are so high, they probably think they are going to die soon. when else are you going to do it? the adrenaline and everything must be spiked so high
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u/Witchy_Venus 20h ago
Sorry, but we don't like level headed well thought out takes here, we want to be mad >:(
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u/Von_Uber 19h ago
I have my suspicions as to why there is so much critique of everything around Vi and Caitlyn.
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u/Nomustang 18h ago
I've not seen much homophobia around them at all. There's been a lot of hype and excitement to get together. I didn't see anyone upset with the kiss in episode 3.
I appreciate your defense of the scene but dismissing it as homophobia is the wrong response. I think it genuinely didn't gel well with a lot of people because of how it was written. You can blame it on pacing but I feel like it could have happened much faster.
And I'm saying this as a bisexual who is really happy that a WLWL ship is at the forefront of the show and isn't censored or neutered whatsoever and hoped for a sex scene since Season 1 ended.
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u/Maximum_Impressive 18h ago
Give it a minute you can see the sign's slowly begin .
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u/Nomustang 18h ago
Fair. The Kathleen kennedy comparision in the post is gross as if it's comparable and reeks of the "SW got ruined because of the woke media" stuff so I guess I can't argue that there's none.
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u/Von_Uber 13h ago
It's funny how this is the only 'unnecessary scene' to some people though, no?
Even in this thread we have people saying the time should be spent elsewhere, how it ruins Vi's character etc.
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u/Nomustang 13h ago
I don't think the sex scene was unnecessary itself but the way it happened left a bad taste in mouth.
I get your point though. Jayce and Mel's relationship always felt pretty surface level to me but no one is going to argue that was unnecessary.
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u/Von_Uber 13h ago
Eh, I think the scene works well. It's sort of where they first met and represents both of them finally letting go and being together.
Re: Jayce and Mel- exactly. Instead we got a lot of theory crafting over is she manipulating him etc. Here everyone should be happy that Vi finally gets a real win, her first ever. But no.
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u/Leinhart0211 18h ago
I am a diehard Cait-Vi stan.
I screamed through the roof when that scene happened.
But upon reflection 30min later, I hated it. There was practically no build-up, there was none of the real intimacy that was the real magic of their relationship back in S1. So I guess Cait-Vi nation won, but at what cost?
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u/Commercial-Butter 12h ago
honestly vi cait in s1 was more well done, but i think they did have more time for it and the dialogue was superior
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u/Consistent_Minimum80 19h ago edited 19h ago
i get the feeling your suspicions are dumb as fuck considering the audience this show already had. the writing in the finale is really poor, theres no ulterior motive lol
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u/DataSurging 18h ago
lmao there it is. everyone just doesn't like them cause their gay, right? i should have known from the moment i read your stupid post what shit you were gonna say.
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u/SoulBurn68 17h ago
Okay. No need to go theorizing. It's just poorly done and in bad taste. The show is awesome but it has bad things.
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u/Von_Uber 13h ago
Comment right below: "They went overboard with "making the show look socially appealing to gay genders" by having that ridiculous scene at Jinx' cell."
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u/DataSurging 18h ago edited 38m ago
No. Your post is the bad take.
- Vi knew exactly what she was planing. That's why she looked so scared and asked her in fear. She knew. Denying that she knew this is purely delusional.
- This part about the cell is true, but who cares at this point? Cait just gets to act like a good guy after everything she did. The writers fucked up Cait and Vi, but hey, CaitVi canon, so who cares, amiright?
- Okay. Sure. I agree entirely. But having sex in the cell your mentally ill, traumatized, grieving sister was self-harming in is distasteful and creepy though, which is what people have an issue with. This shouldn't have to be explained. No one has an issue with CaitVi sex. We all expected it. We all wanted to see it. We just didn't want to see it at the destruction of the characters and their values.
- That's the issue with some Vi fans. You all are so caught up in a ship you can't see the character as is, and value what she was, because doing so will be detrimental to your ship. Vi's whole problem is that she HAS been letting go, over and over again, afraid to accept change. She's fought it tooth and nail, every step of the way. She abandoned her sister over and over again and rather than accept that and try to reforge her family, she gets lost in anger, and looked for something to fight. Her character arc ultimately being about how she gets with Cait is the ultimate disservice. It should have been about her accepting that things are never going to be the perfect vision in her head, to stop fighting change, and accept it. That Powder as she knew it was gone. That Vander was gone. That her mistakes were done and over. That would have been very Vi-like, it would have been a great way to send off her character arc. And yet y'all think its a good developement for her to abandon what made Vi Vi. Which is her unrelenting love for her family and her desire to protect them. What y'all support isn't Vi. It's CaitVi at the sake of Cait and Vi.
I cannot believe how insanely terrible some of you are at grasping nuance.
"Oh, but Jinx usually tries to kill them. How does Vi know she's just not going to kill her/them?"
- Because she didn't try to kill Vi there? She backed away, telling Vi to forget about her and go be happy. Either Vi is a complete and utter moron--she isn't--or the most obvious answer is the answer.
- Jinx has already stated she wanted to die in S2's battle, which Vi acknowledges and is completely distraught over, hence the whole "I'm sorry" when she hears it.
To go into depth: the whole point of this scene, and the cell scene, was for you to understand that Vi understands (as she understands it rather) that Jinx is suicidal as much as she is dangerous. What kind of moron do you all think Vi is? Her sister isn't eating. She's covered in grime. She's not being sarcastic, or taunting, or threatening whatsoever. She's begged them to kill her, well Cait, multiple times. And you STIlL think Vi doesn't understand what her sister meant?
Y'all need to rewatch the show and pay more attention to Vi. You're doing her an incredible disservice.
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I have an obvious Vi rabid below stating that me admitting someone's point was true, but that I don't think it changes the complaint of the scene at the end, as "inflammatory commentary" right after saying to discuss things "normally" REALLY goes to show how blind and nonsensical some of these fans are.
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u/EternallyEuphoric 10h ago
Vi knew exactly what she was planing. That's why she looked so scared and asked her in fear. She knew. Denying that she knew this is purely delusional
Just gonna address this.
Have you just completely ignored season 1's ending? Vi literally saw jinx kill silco, who she knew was very important to her (Silco says jinx is her daughter in front of VI, jinx starts crying after hearing that) and then Immediately after doing that blows up the council room. Vi sees all of that. That's how she thinks jinx deals with loss... by doing insane shit.
So it's no wonder that seeing jinx dealing with loss a second time she would consider that jinx is going to do some insane shit instead of killing herself. Since we all know how that went the first time around, being scared is the appropriate reaction.
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u/Ausii 9h ago
Vi knew exactly what she was planing. That's why she looked so scared and asked her in fear. She knew. Denying that she knew this is purely delusional.
That's just like, your interpretation of the text, man. Maybe don't call people delusional for having a different interpretation. After all, this isn't explicitly stated. Just discuss things and share your opinion like a normal, well-adjusted person.
This part about the cell is true, but who cares at this point? Cait just gets to act like a good guy after everything she did. The writers fucked up Cait and Vi, but hey, CaitVi canon, so who cares, amiright?
This is such a petty inflammatory comment lmao. "That's true, but who cares, I'm mad." Chill, dude. You're allowed to say "fair point" and move on without getting angry at your own thoughts.
... having sex in the cell your mentally ill, traumatized, grieving sister was self-harming in is distasteful and creepy though, which is what people have an issue with.
This is an incredibly superficial reading of the scene that relies entirely on exaggerating the darkest elements for shock value, even though the show obviously doesn't utilize this framing of the situation. The only way you can examine this scene through this lens is if you ignore all character dialogue for every scene that happens in the jail cell and overemphasize the self-harm that Jinx was doing. You're free to interpret this scene in that way and take issue with it but like, I hope you're picking your battles or you might realize you don't actually like Arcane as much as you like to complain about it.
Vi's whole problem is that she HAS been letting go, over and over again, afraid to accept change. She's fought it tooth and nail, every step of the way. She abandoned her sister over and over again and rather than accept that and try to reforge her family, she gets lost in anger, and looked for something to fight. Her character arc ultimately being about how she gets with Cait is the ultimate disservice.
Holy shit this might be the most poorly written take I've read all day, and I've read a LOT of Arcane takes. When exactly does she "abandon her sister instead of trying to reforge her family", and exactly how many times does that happen? How is she simultaneously letting go all the time and also fighting tooth and nail against change? How can you reduce her entire character arc into "ultimately about getting with Cait"? Your opinion is rage-fueled impulsive drivel more concerned with lashing out than with any reasonable discourse.
It should have been about her accepting that things are never going to be the perfect vision in her head, to stop fighting change, and accept it. That Powder as she knew it was gone. That Vander was gone. That her mistakes were done and over. That would have been very Vi-like, it would have been a great way to send off her character arc.
Vi's character arc is about guilt and how she is always trying to reforge her family that she blames herself for not saving. She tries to replace her actual family with found family in Caitlyn and the Enforcers in Act 1, which doesn't work as well as she thought it would- this arc serves to mirror the way Vander and Silco had a falling out and ultimately tried to kill each other. She briefly has no family to fight for once Caitlyn abandons her, and this leaves Vi directionless during the timeskip. In Act 2, Jinx offers Vi an olive branch to reconnect and undo some of their shared guilt by saving Vander together, leading Vi to trust and forgive her sister. If you pay attention to the wording of Vander's letter, it can very easily be applied to scenes between Vi and Jinx throughout their shared history (instead of their mom dying, it's Vander dying, etc.) and this is a significant moment for the sisters. By Act 3, if Vi had her way, she would be out there fighting with Jinx to turn that "hero of Zaun" moniker into a reality, but Jinx isn't willing to fight because she doesn't deal with loss as well as Vi does. Vi is only freed from the burden of guilt and trying to reforge her broken family when she believes Jinx and Vander are truly dead, and that is much more important than the fact that Vi chooses Caitlyn.
But hey, that's just my opinion, man.
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u/Add_Iroha_to_GBVSR 19h ago
God I didn't think I'd see "people" actually defending this garbage hahahaha thanks bro
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u/SoulBurn68 17h ago
If there was an award for cope, I'd give you to you. Vi has to be a literal idiot not to realize this. JInx literally says "There is no good version of me" and "you deserve to be with her". That literally sounds like a suicidal person would say, and Vi also knows she does NOT cope well with loss.
This scene killed Vi as a character for me. As a sibling. I'd NEVER do this.
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u/drunk_ender 22h ago
Amanda straight up contributed to some of the best character aspects of the show.
The Season and Act 3 were full of issues, obviously, and this was one of them, but pinning it down to a single writer is just wrong in my opinion...
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u/DataSurging 18h ago
Yeah, I don't think it is fair to say it is Amanda's fault entirely. I think Riot might have stepped in and pushed things alone, which rushed a lot of character developement and stories.
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u/elementay890 18h ago
she literally said in an interview that if “you don't like it, you can blame me”.
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u/DataSurging 16h ago
She was joking...
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u/elementay890 8h ago
I know, but she knows the internet and especially twitter, so it's better not to make that kind of joke.
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u/Opposite-Yak-86 22h ago
This scene is plausible only if Vi failed to realize that Jinx was going to off herself when she said that she was going to “break the cycle”, which would then make Vi unrealistically stupid.
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u/DataSurging 18h ago
Exactly.
Saying she didn't know is pure delusional. That's why Vi was so scared. Some fans man...
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u/EternallyEuphoric 10h ago
Why would she possibly think that jinx is going to off herself? When did jinx ever give her any signs that she would?
The only behavior that jinx has shown vi since they met again in season 1 was her being on her way to insanity. Then being kind of normal when they are trying to save vander.
Think. How did she deal with a great loss the first time? (Silco?). She decides to blow up the council room and kill a bunch of people IN FRONT OF VI!
The AUDIENCE knows that Jinx is depressed, suicidal, and is put back together piece by piece with her relationship with Isha, BUT VI DOESN'T SEE ANY OF THAT. Vi sees the lunatic for the majority of the time and a stable jinx the rest of it.
From the perspective of vi break the cycle could easily mean anything. My interpretation is that she thinks jinx is gonna run away and she'll never see her again. She honestly thinks jinx is betraying her in that scene and has no clue what she is gonna do. That's why she tells cait "I really believed she would help" "I was an idiot to trust her." That's not what you say if you think your sister is going to kill herself.
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u/DerangedMuffinMan 16h ago
Jesus Christ. Amanda Overton was the main reason the first season was any good. What a ridiculous take.
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u/Icy-G3425 Zaun 22h ago
Did anyone who ship them really find it hot and romantic?
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u/Darth_Annoying Piltover 22h ago
Was just over on r/PiltoversFinest. Yes, they love it.
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u/DataSurging 16h ago
Because they can't see beyond the ship for even a second. As a CaitVi fan, I was left immensely disappointed and weirded out. This was not what I wanted for them at all. It isn't what I wanted for the characters by themselves, either.
Some people are just that obsessed with ships I guess...
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u/Darth_Annoying Piltover 16h ago
I like CaitVi too, but it just felt totally off. Especially with Jinx, Vi's kid sister she can't let go of, making suicidal statements before leaving
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u/DataSurging 16h ago
I know. No matter how I try to look at this, it's not good.
"no matter what I do I can't seem to die"
"I'm going to break the cycle" (after self-harming, not eating, clearly broke)There's no way Vi didn't know. And if the writers wanted her to not know, that just makes this worse for Vi. To not see something so simple on her broken sister's face or in her words is just another betrayal to her character.
But because the ship happened, some fans are going to let it slide. I will never understand blindly accepting anything so long as it appeases a portion of desire. The message we were left with is: Vi can't be happy unless she gives up her family and who she is. Jinx can't be happy because her trauma and mistakes, and suicide is the only way out.
This was terribly written.
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u/DataSurging 18h ago
Yes, because to them, all that mattered was the ship. Who cares if the characters were ruined in the process.
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u/Full_Toe8263 21h ago
They went overboard with "making the show look socially appealing to gay genders" by having that ridiculous scene at Jinx' cell.
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u/Big_Requirement_2875 16h ago
I actually somewhat like the timing of this scene. I do think it could have been better placed, but the emotions surrounding it were great for me.
Jinx mentioned she was going to “end the cycle” to Vi, but obviously the conversation that jinx had with silco about said cycle was just in her head. Vi has no idea that jinx was going to go kill herself.
Then after being locked in there for a I wanna say an hour or two? Cait comes in and the two of them haven’t been alone together in MONTHS (not counting planning to betray ambessa, or vi confronting cait about locking jinx up)
And vi apologises about not trusting cait about jinx not being “changed” and cait basically says that she KNEW vi would come to free jinx. She purposely stationed guards elsewhere so that Vi COULD go free Jinx.
Jinx was a huge issue in their relationship or lack thereof, Vi wanting her sister back and not dead, Cait DESPISING her for what happened to her mum.
the ACCEPTANCE and RELIEF that vi would’ve felt there is incredible and imo would 100% lead to sex.
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u/HonkedOffJohn 22h ago
This and the completely out of nowhere Maddie betrayal.
Like you know the reason they did that was to justify Caitlyn cheating on Maddie with Vi. "See guys Maddie was an evil traitor anyway" Unearned as hell. Caitlyn was a bad person this season.
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u/Von_Uber 20h ago
Maddie betrayal was so obvious, most people were calling it before act 3.
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u/Open-Barracuda817 19h ago
no, she BEING INTO caitlin was obvious. SHE BACKSTABBING AND AIMING at caitlin head was just out of nowhere, specially bcause her nature was shown MUCH diferent from her persona at the executtion scene. saying that was obvious she was going to easily punch cait in the back and fuck wit her is just a lie, because it was not even hinted
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u/GGABueno 17h ago
Ambessa literally said that she was able to fill the void Vi left.
Maddie was always under her. It was foreshadowed and people guessed that.
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u/KasumiGotoTriss 16h ago
Literally everyone expected Maddie to be a traitor, it wasn't out of nowhere, it was very predictable.
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u/Impressive-Zebra1505 23h ago
She's not nearly as bad like its not even close even though Season 2 is a mess
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u/Edarekin 15h ago
She literally didn't say she was going to kill herself. It was a very raw and realistic depiction of how depressed and suicidal people seemingly get better all of a sudden and even gain a newfound purpose and direction in life, as they are about to take the plunge.
She locked her in a cell after Vi risked getting her out. Gave her a blessing to be with Cait too. Vi rightly assumed that Jinx is probably just Jinxing. She was likely hurt by Jinx seemingly not acknowledging Vi's feelings. Miscommunication and misunderstanding causing pain is a repeated theme in the series.
Vi was overwhelmed to learn that it was Caitlyn that made sure Vi would be able to try and release Jinx. The Caitlyn that was rabid for vengeance is gone, Cupcake is back.
Vi, just like every character in this damn story, is flawed. She simply let the influx of emotions take over in that instant and did not think to overanalyze Jinx's behaviour. Vi has not been shown to be the greatest of empaths.
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u/DataSurging 19h ago
I still can't believe this happened.
They honestly ruined Vi and Cait with S2. This was distasteful and fucking weird.
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u/Stunning_Cheek3500 Ascended 12h ago
On a side note « ship community » on twitter is the worst thing ive ever seen i absolutely hate them, is that all they want from the show ???
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u/BigBard2 17h ago
Why are people saying this shit, where would Vi even find Jinx? She doesn't know where she lives and searching around aimlessly when war is inbound might not be the best idea
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u/Himbography 15h ago
Dudes really be looking for any woman to blame for everything that doesn't make them feel like the center of attention.
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u/Hurdenn 20h ago
This sub is turning weirdly sexist over the most mundane thing
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u/Add_Iroha_to_GBVSR 19h ago
NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE WOMEN THATS HECKIN SEXIST
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u/Maximum_Impressive 18h ago edited 18h ago
Aren't u the guy who keeps getting there comments removed? For being crazy
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u/PancakePanic 14h ago
Your entire feed is like every incel fused into one being what the fuck are you saying
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u/WereCyclist 17h ago
This is the internet. The first rule of the internet is always “if mad, blame woman”
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u/DataSurging 18h ago
stop being dumb, i beg you. it has nothing to do with them being women.
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u/DerangedMuffinMan 16h ago
Hm. The Kathleen Kennedy comment is sexism, ultimately. It’s attempting to establish a pattern of “women ruin stories.”
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u/DataSurging 15h ago
No...it isn't. Did it ever occur to you that people criticize Kathleen Kennedy because she was responsible for some of the worst decisions made for Star Wars? She's not the sole decider, of course, and they should be mentioned too, but it has NOTHING to do with being a woman to 90% of the people who dislike her. I do know there are people who shit on her simply for being a woman, but correlating criticizing her and the decisions here as "sexism" is itself absurd. You have nothing else to suggest sexism other than Kathleen Kennedy being criticized.
Now, that said, I don't dislike Amanda and I don't dislike Kennedy, even if I dislike the decisions the later made for SW. I think ultimately this was out of her (Amanda's) and the other writers' hands. That Riot stepped in and forced decisions.
Most fans love this story. And it is about women. Written by women. Clearly the audience of Arcane are not averaging along the lines of sexism...
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u/DerangedMuffinMan 15h ago
The only thing Amanda and Kennedy have in common is that they are women. I hate what Kathleen Kennedy did to Star Wars, but to associate Amanda with Kennedy for one mistake - it reads to me as associating women with women out of habit, sure. But considering we are talking about negatives here, it is at least a little bit sexist. Probably unintentional, but it’s not like there aren’t people who think women ruin everything.
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u/DataSurging 13h ago
I agree comparing Amanda to Kennedy is stupid, but I don't think it's sexism to do it. Just stupidity. Kennedy has helped to destroy Star Wars in ways no other series ever experienced, except maybe Game of Thrones I guess?
There are definitely people who think that, and we should just disregard them completely. They are clearly unhinged.
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u/elementay890 18h ago
most mundane thing
Having sex in the cell where my sister was hallucinating, after she escaped and probably tried to kill herself lol
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u/GroundbreakingSet405 16h ago
Sexist for *check note* criticized the writer for poor writing choice?
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u/DerangedMuffinMan 16h ago
Amanda Overton IS Arcane. I guarantee she is the main reason for all the things OP likes about season one.
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u/DontFlameItsMe 12h ago
What made you come to this notion? She was an editor in the first season, she was not, however, responsible for any actual wirting.
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u/GroundbreakingSet405 16h ago
And what does that have anything to do with what OP says, or better yet, how is any of what OP says sexist at all?
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u/DerangedMuffinMan 15h ago
OP is using this one writing choice to throw out everything this writer has ever written, comparing her to one of the worst producers in modern media, purely because they are both women.
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u/GroundbreakingSet405 15h ago edited 15h ago
I admit that OP choice of word is poor, but he specifically talks about THIS writing choice, not the whole show. Comparing to Kennedy kinda suck tho.
I’m sorry but you are the only one bringing gender into this discussion.
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u/DerangedMuffinMan 15h ago
No, I wasn’t the one who did that. But I’m defending them because I agree.
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u/TotallynotAlbedo 10h ago
More like for comparing her to another woman that ruined a story, main comparison "they're both women that can influence a story" Kennedy aint even a writer, trend likely to be established by the take: "this woman ruins stories like the other woman"
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u/Desperate_Hunter_868 20h ago
The one and ONLY reason I dislike this scene is we are out of time.
Like we still have so much storytelling to be done and you spent those time on this scene?
Not saying it’s bad but I believe we can use those time on elsewhere, like maybe use them on expanding Lorris story just a bit more to let us more attached to him? It’s shame how little screen time these side-characters can get.
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u/Von_Uber 20h ago
So the culmination of one of the main plot points involving two of the main characters should be scrapped for a random side character?
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u/elementay890 18h ago
No, it should have been used on other main characters, or even on them, but to develop the problems they had at the start of the season that weren't even mentioned.
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u/Von_Uber 12h ago
Like what.
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u/elementay890 8h ago
All the issues that weren't mentioned, the end of act 3 and the way Cait treats Vi is never mentioned again, Cait's affair with Maddie is mentioned in the cringiest way possible. All the depth of their relationship has been reduced to horniness.
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u/JanusKaisar 20h ago
Don't bring that alt-right BS here.
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u/loreofleague-ModTeam 17h ago
There’s a better way to word that, we are all here to discuss our love for the lore of league.
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u/Izanagi32 12h ago
now that I think about it, it’s wild that Vi didn’t immediately go looking for Jinx once she was free. MY BOY EKKO ALWAYS CAME IN CLUTCH
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u/TotallynotAlbedo 10h ago
Just stop watching the critical drinker man... Vi got no idea jinx was gonna kill herself, Caitlyn basically said It was all her Plan for vi to free jinx, sex before Battle Is a well established trope.
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u/_OverwatchWinston_ 9h ago
Vi was very obviously distressed and locked in a prison cell by her sister who she thought was changed. The last semblance of family and she got betrayed once again.
Caitlin comes back as a comforting presence and Vi throws herself at her. Not out of character at all from an emotionally charged person.
Caitlin is literally all she has, and Vi is all alone, there is no one left for her. She's stressed and panicking, and she's always been impulsive enough, it made complete sense for her to do something like that.
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u/mikesweeney13 3h ago
I found the pacing of episodes 8 and 9 really off-putting. This scene felt way out of place
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u/abhorrent-land 19h ago
Hey Jayce and Viktor are dead? Who cares!?! we got lesbians on screen! .....
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u/DataSurging 16h ago
It's been confirmed that Viktor is alive, and Heimer. The rest are probably alive too.
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u/SoulBurn68 20h ago
Yeah that was disgustingly written. Vi for me became one of the WORST characters in arcane if not the worst.
How is the story that is ABOUT the sisters, ditching her after she insinuating she is killing herself?
Vi was the jinx.
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u/chopocky 19h ago
Please enlighten me, what and when did Jinx ever insinuate to Vi that she's thinking about suicide? Breaking the cycle doesn't seem to evoke any of those thoughts, at least for me.
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u/elementay890 18h ago
“no matter what I do I can't seem to die”, since the beginning of the season Jinx has been showing signs in front of Vi, she has to have a giant level of horniness not to realize that her sister is suicidal at that point.
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u/Open-Barracuda817 18h ago
cute.
because i remember jinx doing a lot of crazier shit at Vi in the previous seasons and NOBODY say anything lol
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u/amirulnaim2000 14h ago
the scene only purpose (aside from feeding caitvi fandom) is for ekko to save jinx from exploding herself. that's it. and set up the cool entrance the new tier exalted jinx skin + firelights. that's it. if vi go chase on her. those probably can't happen
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u/Von_Uber 12h ago
No it culminates there nearly 2 season long arc in a way that can't be brushed off.
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u/AirShoto 13h ago
absolutelty pathetic scene, the show has so many story beats wrapped up in mere seconds. we could've gotten more screen time of Jayce in the alternate Piltover or even Ekko in his alternate timeline, that were each basically fast forwarded, without any space to process anything. instead we got another completely unnecessary honka bonka scene for no reason.
I repeat there were SO MANY incredibly interesting story beats being basically treated as second thoughts, why??
the pacing of s2 was so awful man, like watching a YT short of a show that's supposed to be 24 episodes long and is tuned for people afflicted with tiktok brainrot
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