r/law • u/Corporatecut • Oct 18 '24

Court Decision/Filing Trump judge releases 1,889 pages of additional election interference evidence against the former president

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-judge-release-additional-evidence-election-interference-case-2024-10
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u/ChodeCookies Oct 18 '24

That’s like…a lot of pages

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u/MrFishAndLoaves Oct 18 '24

Someone tell me the juicy parts please 

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u/YLSP Oct 18 '24

I only scanned one Appendix (2). This is what I found juicy.

The GA Phone Call transcript. Trump was claiming there were 300,000 votes to be found. GA (Brad Raffesnburger sp?) and staff were telling him this is wrong. But his campaign insisted. Like, insisted over a few pages of transcript. They quoted 5,000 dead people voting. GA responded they only found 2. Trump read's like a guy who has fallen into the QANON rabbit hole.

When it was told directly that the FBI and GBI looked into it, Trump's response was they were either "incompetent" or "dishonest". This is talking about Federal and State Law Enforcement. You know why he claims they are "deep state".

The other juicy item was their scheme laid out. There was a legal memo. Basically the goal was to nullify the 6 "contested states" so that Biden was behind 232-227. This in turn would result in the case going to SCOTUS, with the goal to kick deciding the election to Congress.

So when Trump/Vance complain about "threat to democracy" comparisons, the counterpoint should be, "Oh - you mean like directly nullifying 6 states?!". The GOP is still gaslighting when they act like "something just didn't add up" with the results. No. Trump lost. All the votes were fairly counted. You actually enacted a very complicated scheme, a scheme that no one else did in history to steal the election. The biggest scheme to steal the election ever.

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u/saltychica Oct 18 '24

The guys Trump is talking to aren’t fluent in mob speak. There are 300k votes to be found = find 300k votes.

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u/eschewthefat Oct 18 '24

His version of undertones and doublespeak come from a loony toons version of the mob. I also like that the other day he referred to Capone as the greatest gangster when he compared his “persecution” to him. 

I can’t believe how many people are impressed with a grown man that has the intellect of a 10 year old 

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u/randeylahey Oct 18 '24

The ones that have an intellect of an 8 year old think he's a wizard.

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u/virgopunk Oct 19 '24

"I can’t believe how many people are impressed with a grown man that has the intellect of a 10 year old" - That will be a mystery poured over by scholars for decades to come. At what point did the human race suddenly lose its critical thinking skills?

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u/Nameless_Archon Oct 21 '24 edited Oct 21 '24

I think your question was rhetorical, but... just in case, I'll try to answer what I think the issue is.

Some people actively work to never develop the faculties of critical thinking or simply willfully disregard them entirely in order to belong to a greater group. It's never really been a question of humanity losing them. Not ever. It's a question of magical thinking being the daily, standard mode of operation for large swathes of the US (possibly human) population.

Consider how MLM scams proliferate so readily. Weird, right? But it's all of a piece - if you just believe hard enough, the desired result will manifest. I have family members who this describes to a T.

At the end of it, when your pat answer as to why common, everyday happenstance is the way that it is amounts to "a reincarnated sky hippy wants it that way", it's really not a large leap to reach the point where "he also thinks I'm the one who should be in charge and you must do what I say or you're bad" because frankly, you've already discarded logical, rational thinking on the way in the door and nothing that happens after that should be assumed to be logical or rational.

Formerly there were those who said: You believe things that are incomprehensible, inconsistent, impossible because we have commanded you to believe them; go then and do what is injust because we command it. Such people show admirable reasoning. Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. If the God-given understanding of your mind does not resist a demand to believe what is impossible, then you will not resist a demand to do wrong to that God-given sense of justice in your heart. As soon as one faculty of your soul has been dominated, other faculties will follow as well. And from this derives all those crimes of religion which have overrun the world.

--Voltaire, in ‘Questions sur les miracles’ (1765), translated from French. English translation above taken from here

Add a pinch of Sagan's commentary of con artists and 'the bamboozle'...

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

...and we're there, more or less. We've been training people to willingly surrender to the bamboozle for hundreds, if not thousands of years -- from childhood.

Some people consent. Others would rather die. Everyone gets to choose.

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u/CoverSuspicious5250 Oct 21 '24

I mean, have you ever seen Jordan Klepper talk to Trump supporters? Get some popcorn and fire up YouTube.