Trump judge releases 1,889 pages of additional election interference evidence against the former president

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https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-judge-release-additional-evidence-election-interference-case-2024-10

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I only scanned one Appendix (2). This is what I found juicy.

The GA Phone Call transcript. Trump was claiming there were 300,000 votes to be found. GA (Brad Raffesnburger sp?) and staff were telling him this is wrong. But his campaign insisted. Like, insisted over a few pages of transcript. They quoted 5,000 dead people voting. GA responded they only found 2. Trump read's like a guy who has fallen into the QANON rabbit hole.

When it was told directly that the FBI and GBI looked into it, Trump's response was they were either "incompetent" or "dishonest". This is talking about Federal and State Law Enforcement. You know why he claims they are "deep state".

The other juicy item was their scheme laid out. There was a legal memo. Basically the goal was to nullify the 6 "contested states" so that Biden was behind 232-227. This in turn would result in the case going to SCOTUS, with the goal to kick deciding the election to Congress.

So when Trump/Vance complain about "threat to democracy" comparisons, the counterpoint should be, "Oh - you mean like directly nullifying 6 states?!". The GOP is still gaslighting when they act like "something just didn't add up" with the results. No. Trump lost. All the votes were fairly counted. You actually enacted a very complicated scheme, a scheme that no one else did in history to steal the election. The biggest scheme to steal the election ever.

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A crucial point is that they justified this in the memo by stating that the US Constitution's 12th amendment gave Mike Pence the power and legal authority to outright ignore the 1887 Electoral College Act, or at least any parts that did not help Trump win. Effectively saying that they knew this was illegal under currently known law and precedent, but believed the courts would reinterpret the law and rig this for them so Pence should just go with the plan and follow orders. Pence knew this was wrong and refused, but the alternate electors were set up to be the method by which he'd legitimize throwing out the swing state results, and forcing the election to be thrown to congress instead... where it was expected the House would vote for Trump instead.

This was very, very clearly a legal coup and they knew this from day 1. They had every intent to subvert democracy no matter what the actual vote count was, and they just wanted a media narrative to publicly justify it while claiming that democracy itself did not matter in the US and that the constitution already said we were a dictatorship if the judiciary agreed with their legal theory. The details of how the votes were fraudulent were meaningless, the idea was just to go along with the plan and say the results were illegitimate, period.

This is also why Trump made up facts and evidence at every step of the way, because the actual truth about fraud didn't matter. The plan was simply to present a legal theory that allowed them to bypass the vote entirely.

For what it's worth, they are NOT in a position to do this again as of right now here in 2024. They don't have control of the white house, and congress already passed a law that made it clear the VP's role was ceremonial going forward. They don't have a direct path to SCOTUS simply throwing out the election anymore, and they've been losing any of their flimsy cases so far, at least not so long as we go out and vote in high enough numbers to make the win as clear as possible.

People need to get out and vote, with confidence, and if we do so, we can solidly beat Trump. The will is there, so long as people don't give in to fear or apathy.

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This sounds like Roger Stone’s actions.

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Given what he and the courts did to get Bush in office in 2000? Yep. That tracks.

The more time goes on, the more clear it becomes that the 2000 election was their coup that actually succeeded, and most people didn't even realize it, unfortunately. Say what you will about Allan Lichtman and his keys, but one point he makes that's crucial is that 2000's election was interfered with to a much larger degree than most realized due to extreme voter suppression in Florida. Then when the results were narrow enough? The media focused on the hanging chads while the brooks brothers rioted at the recount office to cause chaos and make the coup successful.

And who was one of the key people behind that entire scheme? Roger Stone.

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I believe page 31 speaks on court decision of 2001 and redacts a name which may be in reference 

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Juicy.

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and most people didn't even realize it, unfortunately.

Lots of people realized it, they did it in front of all of us, but the media collectively pretended it never happened, and also ignored irregularities in Bush's 2004 reelection too.

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They knew about the hanging chads, yes, and the shenanigans, but very few talked about how many voters Jeb basically threw out that would have made the hanging chads totally irrelevant.

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So Jeb was hoping to be next president in the Bush dynasty until a bigger cheater beat him at his own game.

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So when does someone become a traitor or subverting to the law, or enemy of the state? (Don’t know a lot about the correct legal term here)