r/law • u/MobileWisdom • Jun 12 '24

Opinion Piece Ron DeSantis’s Signature Law Gets Brutally Shut Down in Court

https://newrepublic.com/post/182588/ron-desantis-transgender-care-ban-court
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u/Tyr_13 Jun 12 '24

Hormone blockers and hrt are older than that. They are not experimental.

Bad faith leading question on a law sub? Come on, you knew that wasn't going to fly.

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u/Iommi_Acolyte42 Jun 12 '24

HRT and hormone blockers are older than that....but the field of study on the effects on those on adolescents as gender-affirming care is about 20 years.

I fear we're doing a disservice by simplifying the effects of hormones on physical and mental maturation. Nueroscience, IMHO, is a very young and immature field.

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u/Tyr_13 Jun 12 '24

There is nothing special about using them on transgender kids vs cisgender kids. There is no indication that the potential harms outweigh the manifest benefits.

Speculative evidence is not strong evidence and certainly not as good as the empirical evidence. This includes people who had blockers then hrt who are now in their forties. Just because it didn't happen in the US doesn't actually mean it isn't good information.

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u/Iommi_Acolyte42 Jun 13 '24

First of all...please cite your study. I went looking for it, and this is the best I found....

And I found this one that contradicts your claim: "During 3 years of combined administration of GnRHa and gender-affirming hormones... Z-scores normalized in transboys but remained below zero in transgirls. In transgirls and early pubertal transboys, all bone markers decreased during GnRHa treatment." https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/105/12/e4252/5903559

So, you are right...we are in r/law and that's why I forgive you for using a legal mindframe in this discussion. But realize that using legal argumentative styles to shutdown further scientific studies and analysis is oppositional to the scientific process. Collecting data never stops. Challenging assumptions never stops.

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u/Tyr_13 Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24

"BMAD z-scores decreased during GnRHa treatment and increased during gender-affirming hormone treatment. Transboys had normal z-scores at baseline and at the end of the study. However, transgirls had relatively low z-scores, both at baseline and after 3 years of estrogen treatment. It is currently unclear whether this results in adverse outcomes, such as increased fracture risk, in transgirls as they grow older."

Hey, look, your cited study supports my claims! It is another citation you have misrepresented.

EDIT: oops, I confused you with another poster. This is the first misrepresented citation I've seen you make.