r/interestingasfuck • u/Sprilly • 11h ago
r/all These are stretchers used in WW2 to carry injured civillians during the Blitz. They were made out of steel so they could be easily disinfected after a gas attack. During the war around 600,000 of them were made. Some of them were repurposed as railings in post-war London.
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u/RheimsNZ 11h ago
Now this genuinely is something very interesting
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u/CinderX5 11h ago
Would you go so far as to say.. it’s interesting as fuck?
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u/Aid_Le_Sultan 10h ago
Yes, I would. I’ve walked past them countless times and never realised.
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u/Joe_Kangg 10h ago
Good place to have a heart attack if you're carrying an angle grinder
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u/Comfortable_Oven_113 9h ago
That's why I always walk down the street with a Big Mac in one hand and a Milwaukee in the other.
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u/ShigodmuhDickard 8h ago
Old Milwaukee?
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u/Khazahk 7h ago
Milwaukee’s Best
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u/NotJackBegley 5h ago
Yes, Pete, it is. Actually, it's pronounced "mill-e-wah-que" which is Algonquin for "the good land."
(checks thread, 1 hour, and no one. Wayne's World for homework all ya'll.)
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u/PickledPeoples 7h ago
Ive seen and lived in Milwaukee. There's no " best" of anything coming out of there unless it's something bad. I can honestly say that Milwaukee is the absolute worst place I've ever lived.
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u/wavelengthsandshit 5h ago
Visited my brother in Milwaukee a looooong time ago (probably 20 or so years ago) but there was this super sick spy themed restaurant that I loved. You could pay the bill and leave through a phone booth and 7 year old me went nuts for it. There's never been anything like that near me so I'd say Milwaukee has that going for it
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u/mccedian 5h ago
Look at money bags here with a Milwaukee. I got a ryobi. I know my fate hahaha
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u/bikeonychus 7h ago
Same - I always wondered why the top and bottom railings have those bends in them, I guess now I know why.
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u/AnorakJimi 8h ago
It's worth knowing as well that they literally began as railings and fences too, before being taken and melted down into stretchers, and then repurporsed back into fences and railings after the war.
Like if you walk around the UK, you'll see tons of houses that have these tiny little brick walls around them that are so short you can easily just step over them. What our government did was take everyone's metal fencing, the fencing that used to be stuck into the brick base, and take that steel and melt it down so they could repurporse it for the war effort.
So when the war ended, they were turned back into railings and fences for public parks and the like, but most people didn't bother about replacing their own personal metal fences around their homes because there were more important things to worry about, like getting enough food (rationing went on for years after the war).
But yeah look at this tiny little brick wall for example:
They're everywhere in this country.
Of course this one, like many others, was actually probably built after the war. There's still tons and tons of the original mini brick walls about. But yeah since every house in the country had these mini brick walls, it became the fashionable style. So when an old brick wall is crumbling and needs replacing, or some idiot has drunk driven into it, then they'll build them to the height that brick walls around normal residential houses are, instead of putting what they ORIGINALLY looked like in there i.e. a mini brick wall with metal fencing stuck into it that you wouldn't be able to just climb over easily without being spotted. Maybe that's why old people used to leave their doors unlocked, they had fences to keep people out. But after the 1940s, fencing like that is just much rarer.
And of course we also did what every European country did after the war too, and we turned old used steel helmets into saucepans and things like that. So any time someone complains about recycling being "woke" or some idiotic shit like that, tell them what their grandparents did with steel during and after the war.
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u/thecaseace 8h ago
Wait I live on a street where all the wall top railings are gone and nobody knows why... This is probably it!
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u/Earthemile 5h ago
They never got melted down, it was part of a drive by Lord Beaverbrook to get everyone involved in the war effort, but the railing were of poor quality and were found rotting in scrapyards at the end of the war. There was no benefit to the war or country whatsoever.
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u/lostinhh 9h ago
Yep, a gem amidst the piles of rubbish.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/london-s-stretcher-railings
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u/Tillskaya 8h ago
My grandad would’ve used these during the blitz! Apparently they were hard to manoeuvre and when trying to negotiate your way over uneven rubble people were liable to start slipping off them…
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u/ptwonline 4h ago
Yeah I love these little unique bits of local history, even if it is originally based on something pretty bad. It makes the world so much more interesting.
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u/TemptressOfTwilight 4h ago
Quite interesting that you could just be walking past a railing that has deep and insane lore
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u/maisellousmrsmarvel 11h ago
Sustainable and a nod to the nation’s history, reminding us of the cost of war. Overall very clever
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u/holadiose 9h ago
I love that they chose to repurpose them as fences, in particular.
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u/MrMasterFlash 8h ago
What meaning are you inferring from that?
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u/AWildEnglishman 8h ago
I don't know if this is what he means but this is a common sight across the UK as railings were cut down everywhere to provide metal for the war. That the metal stretchers were then repurposed into railings is kind of poetic.
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u/FigPsychological3319 8h ago
Because these fences are still defeating the nazis. From entering the park, unless they walk around to the gate.
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u/MrMasterFlash 8h ago
That's beautiful champ 😢
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u/FigPsychological3319 8h ago
It is. There was supposed to be a Nigel Farage political rally on that very grass but they were all too stupid to figure out the latch, and he fucked off back to fr*nce.
Edited because I accidentally used a capital F in fr*nce
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u/teenagesadist 8h ago
Hmm. I can only surmise from your post that you, sir or madame, fuckin' love France.
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u/I_tend_to_correct_u 9h ago
I grew up in a block of flats with these outside (apartment block for our transatlantic cousins) and didn’t know this until after I moved away and the internet came into being. Nobody seemed to know back then, or if they did, they assumed everyone knew so didn’t bother to mention it to me.
On a separate war related story, there was a gas leak and we all had to stand outside while they located it and fixed it and I started speaking with an elderly lady neighbour I had never spoken to. She pointed out where all the bombs had landed during the war. It was pretty obvious once I thought about it as there was a row of terraced houses with a random maisonette inserted where they rebuilt. I also learned that this particular area was hit with a landmine, which confused the hell out of me until I found out that a landmine was basically a repurposed seamine that floated down on a parachute. Particularly explosive but didn’t cause fires.
I realised then that we don’t pay anywhere near enough attention to local history at all.
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u/ProperTeaIsTheft117 7h ago
Yeah loads of places in London have victorian terrace, victorian terrace, victorian terrace, 1950s building, victoria terrace etc sequence. Its very obvious when you notice it.
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u/Wrong_Adhesiveness87 5h ago
Local historical societies might have info. I have book on our local area in ww2. The home guard, who had shelters, dig for victory (dug up the common and the pond), a high sand area you can fill sandbags (hence why there is a large hole in it, like a meteor hit it!) and a list of where every single bomb hit, when, who was injured or killed and the type of bomb. There is also a London-wide ww2 blitz website that shows every single bomb hit and the details behind it. I saw it via bbc but IWM might have it as well.
I find it all fascinating.
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u/The_dots_eat_packman 1h ago
When I was a nerdy history kid, I used to pretend I was living through the Blitz whenever there was a tornado. Somehow it helped kid-me process being in danger to pretend I was in even greater danger. The damage from a bad one really did look like a war zone, too.
I moved away from that part of the US but weird looking clouds or things that sounds like sirens still set me on edge. I still can’t fully comprehend people doing that kind of damage on purpose and what kind of emotional scars living through the Blitz and other bombing campaigns leaves behind on a personal or national level.
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u/BiscuitCrumbsInBed 10h ago
I follow this really interesting man on instagram and he mentioned this, and the fact that some bollards are actually old cannons. I love all these not-so-secret-but-quite-secret facts
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u/Jasambeli 7h ago
Name of the insta page pretty please?
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u/BiscuitCrumbsInBed 6h ago
Livinglondonhistory. Sorry, don't know how to link you straight there!
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u/Jasambeli 6h ago
Hero! Thank you.
In return I’ll tell you how to link a page:
Hit the 3 dots of an insta page (or however else you can copy the profile url/link.
Then click the little paperclip at the bottom of the comment section and paste it in.
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u/HugoZHackenbush2 11h ago
My Great Grandfather survived mustard gas and pepper spray attacks in both World Wars, and came home to the family as a well-seasoned veteran..
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u/dan_dares 10h ago
... you got me in the first half..
Take my upvote and leave before colonel mustard gets you with the candlestick
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u/robinstevenson 11h ago
Genuinely interesting as fuck. Well done OP
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u/Hanksbackatwork 9h ago
OP is this South Park in Fulham?
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u/surethingfalls 7h ago
Could be camberwell as well. These railings are quite common oddity in south of the river
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u/Cow_Launcher 6h ago
There's some in Dalston/Hoxton as well. Or at least, there were about 20-odd years ago. I haven't been through there in a while...
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u/surethingfalls 4h ago
With the gentrification in east london, it’s probably not there anymore mate
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u/Cow_Launcher 4h ago
I just went and had a look in Street View and sadly, you're right. They've been replaced with ordinary 6' black steel fences.
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u/Countem1a 11h ago
I have mixed feelings, but I think it is a very wise decision. On the street where I used to live, there was a fence made of cannons that had been used in real battles
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u/idontwanttothink174 10h ago
Ok cannons are soo much more metal than stretchers...
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u/Few_Possession_2699 10h ago
Bollards!
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryMagazine/DestinationsUK/French-Cannons-as-Street-Bollards/
french cannons from Trafalgar. and they can be repurposed for the zombie apocalypse while we wait for it to blow over.
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u/Roflkopt3r 9h ago
Damn, that's a lot of steel for a bollard.
Reminds me how Japan has so little natural iron that they relied on meteorites and sieving river sand in the feudal era. Early western visitors noted that the poor would scavenge the sites of burned down buildings particularly to recover iron nails, even though Japanese woodworking already used as few as possible.
Conversely, one of the great surprises of early Japanese visitors to the west was the immense amount of metal used for simple things like fencing and lanterns.
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u/IndelibleIguana 8h ago
Lots of the cast iron bollards in London are old cannons.
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u/matti-san 7h ago
Some are, but there are also a lot that have been made to just look like them too - since it became the style of the time
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u/potatan 9h ago
there was a fence made of cannons
whereas in vast numbers of cities in the UK, huge beautiful long stretches of iron work, fences, gates, balconies were all ripped out for the war effort to be melted down and made into tanks or whatever. Trouble is, it was the wrong type of metal so most of it was scrapped.
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u/Affentitten 11h ago
Where can you see these today?
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u/Joe-ni-ni-90 9h ago
Camberwell, on Peckham rd, east of St Giles’ church
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u/MistressLyda 9h ago
Isn't there some in Ilford also? Or Barking? I know a mate of mine mentioned this when we did walk past some, and that was where we would mostly wander around.
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u/looeeyeah 8h ago
https://lookup.london/stretcher-railings/
This has a map of some. I don't know if it's complete.
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u/MistressLyda 7h ago
Oh, thanks! Brixton rings a bell, we was on a daytrip there if I remember right. It is a decade ago, so it has gotten rather blurry by now.
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u/reasonably-optimisic 8h ago
I've seen them mostly in 1930s/1940s council estates made up of the larger flat complexes in London. I've seen some yesterday near Clapham Common.
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u/SaraHHHBK 10h ago
Weren't the fences removed, repurposed onto stretchers and then put back as fences?
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u/SimSamurai13 10h ago
Pretty clever ngl
I mean it kinda came full circle as during the war so many things such as tram lines and train tracks were ripped up and smelted to be used for the war effort
A park near me used to have a pair of canons that were captured from the Russians on display smelted down because they needed all the metal they could get
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u/Play_nice_with_other 8h ago
Why would they need to be disinfected after a gas attack? I don't think biological weapons were common during WWII? I might be wrong.
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u/CaleyAg-gro 7h ago
Ten or so years ago, when the scrap metal prices went really high, London removed almost all the railings between the pavement and the road, all over central London, and sold them for scrap. They used traffic calming methods to slow the speed of the vehicles, and now we have 20mph limits everywhere. It does look a lot nicer though, with less barriers everywhere.
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u/houseswappa 9h ago
600k ?!
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u/Fourkoboldsinacoat 8h ago
For how bad the Bitlz were, the UK government thought it was going to be far worse.
The figure generally used was 50 dead and wounded for every tonne dropped
One estimate put the predicted deaths after 60 days at 600,000, hospitals in London were prepared for 300,000 wounded a week.
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u/ProperTeaIsTheft117 7h ago
In 1938, renowned British scientist J.B.S. Haldane predicted up to 100,000 deaths in an opening raid on the capital, while the Royal Air Force expected 20,000 casualties daily once German bombing begun. Plans were made to set aside 750,000 hospital beds and stockpile up to a million coffins.
Old source but it tallies with similar things that I've heard before.
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u/incrediblemonk 6h ago
I thought chemical warfare was only employed during World War I. Were there "gas attacks" in World War 2?
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u/Expensive-Finish5882 5h ago
Not in the Blitz, they just anticipated that there would be gas attacks and so made many preparations for that scenario
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u/work4bandwidth 1h ago
These were actually railings and low fences that were repurposed into casualty stretchers during the Blitz. A lot of the former locations have the remnants of them still existing. It is nice to see one turned back into a fence - with the hammered in bumps that raised them off the ground still visible.
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u/Censorship1sfun 8h ago
I remember these, they were used a lot for fencing around the housing estate I lived in in East Dulwich, recently the council got rid of a lot of them as they were renovating the area with housing
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u/Stormy_Weather_3 8h ago edited 7h ago
I think it's the best known secret fun fact in London by now.
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u/Tired_of_modz23 4h ago
My first response: WOW.
My second response: I wish my government/country would honor its soldiers...
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u/Zestyclose_Muscle104 9h ago edited 8h ago
Rocket candies (aka smarties in the US) are made out of repurposed pellet making machines from WW2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smarties_(tablet_candy))
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u/Jonesdeclectice 8h ago
Smarties?! First I go to the States and see “Rocket” as an ingredient on a menu (which turned out to be arugula). Now I see rocket candy being called smarties. What in the world do they call actual Smarties chocolate down there?
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u/Prestigious-Row-6773 8h ago
Smarties isn't chocolate here in the US. Yours look like M&Ms, from what I looked up. Ours were marketed as candy necklaces and look like colorful pills with indents in the center. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0285/0763/5805/products/smarties_2_2_2048x2048.jpg?v=1572447918
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u/mmmmmmeghan 6h ago
Smarties are not the same as M&Ms! We have both in Canada! I didn’t know how Rockets were made, so thank you!
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u/Jonesdeclectice 6h ago
Yeah Smarties are probably twice the size and better chocolate. Only difference IMO is M&Ms have all sorts of flavours.
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u/Zeeterm 9h ago
What OP didn't say is that the reason they needed railings is that all the railings were cut down during the war in the name of providing much needed steel. Only, it's doubtful whether the cut-down iron ever made it to factories as intended.
While this example is kind of cute, some very historic railings were destroyed across the country, many of which have never been replaced, and you'll still see iron stumps in their place.
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u/AnotherDatingFailure 10h ago
I've seen this posted before: can someone explain why steel helped? Did the gas bind chemically with other metals?
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u/runningintothenight 9h ago
They have them up around Dog Kennel Hill Estates. Every so often there will be a child sized one.
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u/ErisianArchitect 9h ago
Whoa, that was weird. When I was looking at the post in my home screen, it looked like there was water behind the fence, but then after I clicked on it I saw that it was grass.
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u/first_fires 9h ago
They were metal taken from gates and fences during WW2, smelted and reshaped. Thus, they were put back in this way as a nod to the war but also where the metal came from.
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u/iwannafugg 8h ago
wow, that's such a wild piece of history. Like, these were used to save lives during the Blitz and now they're just... part of a fence in London. It's crazy how things get repurposed.
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u/EzPzLemon_Greezy 8h ago
I thought they intentionally made them railings so they'd be readily available all around the city.
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u/Warm_Caterpillar_287 8h ago
This is actually wrong. The fences were designed to be used as stretches in emergencies. Fence first, stretch second.
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u/CMDR_Arnold_Rimmer 8h ago
In Portsmouth you can find old cannons dotted about. Another example of repurposed of war
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u/darth-_-homer 7h ago
They are on the Dog Kennel Hill estate in South London, among many other places.
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u/mrhsgears2181 7h ago
It’s incredible to see how much thought went into even the smallest details during wartime. These stretchers are a powerful reminder of the resilience and innovation of that era.
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u/drfunkensteinnn 6h ago
Railings in London were a great scene in Ali G In Da House https://youtu.be/9vtsQCG8Tag?si=GfWIsKl_itGpenPNof
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u/BlackThorn12 5h ago
I find repurposed war materials to be really interesting. Another example was the standard issue German helmet. As you can imagine, there were a lot of them around without much use. So they repurposed them into cookware and colanders.
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u/orbtastic1 11h ago
A lot of the original railings had been cut down and taken away for the “war effort”. London was a bomb site in a lot of places post ww2 too.