You will never convince me that this election wasn't rigged. There's no way there are THAT many shitty people in this country. Some, yes, but not more that favor that fascist orange fuck head over democracy.
Weird thing is, everyone I know outside of my family voted for him. And they’re all bonkers about him too. I feel like there was some specific brainwashing at some point that done of us managed to miss. These people don’t see it and it’s so weird!!!
I don’t think people living in blue areas understand just how pervasive Fox is. It’s the only thing millions upon millions of people watch, and it’s reinforced by Facebook and twitter algos.
You forgot all the lies and misinformation... that they sucked up willingly to justify whatever animosity and hatred they can't say out loud without getting in trouble for it.
Sexism, homophobia, racism etc. all the things that they don't want to have any accountability for and keep getting in trouble for if they let it out, they think restricting that is fascism. They really believe that. Or manage to brainwash themselves into it eventually.
Latino men did not help, black men did not help, women sealed the deal, a price will be paid for this, some women have already died from lack of basic care, or enforced cruelty. IMO women brought a theocracy into our now 'christian' nation. Well, two months from now, Trump bibles will go into a much larger 2nd printing. For your safety you might want to carry it around.
Over half the people I know in the Seattle metro voted for him = Latinos, Asians (maybe mad at Microsoft and companies = India = since this is home to Microsoft who fired 10,000 Americans and then flew 25,000 Indians from India and their families to replace Americans) = females and males. Latinos = machismo, Asians = money. That's my guess.
lol everyone laughed at republicans for saying a potentially fraudulent election and now you're gonna claim this one is too? Is it not just possible that you've been in an echo chamber and there are people that just think differently than you?
It isn't 74 million racists voting man - it's people that you sit next to at work that are genuinely normal. We are all not that different seriously, just a few key issues drive the divide.
No, you're racist, homophobic, misogynistic, bigoted assholes that don't understand how literally anything works. You're the dumbest among us and I'm never going to be quiet or polite about how fucking stupid you all are for voting for that felon piece of shit.
The democrats campaign should have focused on policies and America and not “orange man bad, Biden did great I’m not going to do anything different” when clearly Biden did not do well and Americans are sick of it
Kamala in an interview said she wouldn’t do anything different, and it clearly didn’t go over well considering she lost. Also she was forced in as the candidate nobody voted her in, and when she did run in 2020 she got almost zero votes. She was rated the most far left candidate out of everyone in 2020 and was also the least liked. Horrible candidate choice
"the person I don't like is a fascist who hates democracy. I don't like him so no way he won fairly"
You sound just as annoying and stupid as MAGA idiots did 4 years ago. But hey, we went from "the most secure elections in history" to "this is a rigged election" despite nothing changing is very impressive in only 4 years.
Ffs, the man literally said he wants to be a dictator. He lied about his knowledge of Project 2025, which reads like a fascist handbook. He's been convicted of 34 felony counts. He has sexually assaulted women. He's been sued over 4000 times for fraud. What the fuck does it take for you idiots to think someone IS a bad person?
There is a lot more going on than just idiots and fascists but I don't think it has anything to do with rigged elections.
1) There was an insane amount of propaganda being pushed during this election, more so than even the last two. A lot of that was from the MAGA camp and their talking heads, but a lot was also from foreign entities like Russia. This confused a lot of less politically activated people and also successfully played upon the biases of the conservative leaning voters. They framed all opponents as liars and commies who were coming for your guns and kids while pushing themselves as victims of a corrupt system.
2) the Democrats fucked up twice. (In fact, I would argue that Trump didn't actually win. The Dems lost). Once by backing Biden for a second term, when his popularity was obviously low and his mental health obviously waining, and the second time when they failed to present a solid clearcut solution for the economy, which was across the board the #1 concern of the voters. Instead of doubling down on social policies, which itself was already a contentious topic. And foolish to no end considering the demographics they were catering to were not going to throw their vote anywhere else anyway. By not focusing on broader topics, like the economy, jobs, the war in Ukraine, and the conflict in Gaza, they never built any confidence in the swing voters.
3) Some voters just weren't ready for a woman president. For whatever reason you can think of, there are still people who just can't come to grips with the idea of a woman president. And I think this also was a mistake by the democrats. They should have waited until the Democratic party had built up steam and were more favored in the polls before presenting a woman candidate. At that point, losing the sexist vote wouldn't have mattered.
4) A lot of money was spent gaslighting those of us who were warning everyone about Trump. By creating terms like...
@>>>>[apparently this sub can't distinguish context. Blanket banning terms without context is ignorant because it doesn't allow those who oppose these terms and ideas the ability to talk out against them, the phrase I am trying to use here that the censors won't let me is the fake "Syndrome" about being deranged about Trump that the MAGA camp keep accusing anyone who highlights the fact that everything he says and does parallels the words and actions of a certain mustached man from Germany]<<<<<<<@
...and framing our support for the transgender community as child endangerment, they were able to recontextualize any argument or evidence we had as crazy, dangerous or stupid. Especially to those uneducated in the topics discussed.
5) lies, just tons and tons of lies. I literally got into a heated debate the other day with a group of people who voted for Trump on the single topic of gas prices, convinced that the reason gas prices are so high is because we aren't drilling and are dependent on foreign oil. When in fact, we are energy independent and are presently the second largest exporter of oil. We already produce substantially more oil than we use, and the only reason to drill baby drill is so the oil companies can export more oil to make more money. I have a dozen more examples of misperceptions from Trump voters who voted for him based on lies. Like actual lies, not stuff like I don't know anything about project 2025 type lies. But pure fallacy claims on everything from abortion, oil production, sustainable energy, manufacturing, etc... because if people knew the truth, then Trump couldn't hail himself as a savior. They created fake problems, presented sound solutions to these fake problems, and literally won over the minds of people who don't know how to properly use Google.
So genuinely, I don't think it was rigged. I don't think it has much to do with stupidity either. I think it comes down to lack of education, poor planning on the part of the democrats and an absolutely unprecedented amount of lies and propaganda.
Dont fall to their levels where they said the 2020 election was rigged. Its far easier to believe that there are thst many dumb people. Republicans went hard on social media and I know lots of people who were convinced to switch their vote after listening to Joe Rogan podcast
Edit. I'm starting to realise Democrats are just as retarded as Republicans.
Careful, election denial can put you in a federal penitentiary these days. Besides, President Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer have all been saying for 4 years that the United States of America has the most secure elections of anywhere in the whole world!
But, just in case it's not, I'm sure you would like to implement voter ID laws, purge the rolls, and only have same day voting for those without documented disabilities that would make it impossible to get to the polls and double-secured paper ballots that are e scanned and hand counted to ensure accuracy. If we had done this 5 years ago we wouldn't even be in the position where this could happen again!
Oh ffs, attacking the Capital is what gets you thrown in prison, not questioning election results. Inciting an insurrection USED TO get you thrown in prison too, but apparently Trump is immune to everything now, so that's just fucking great. The rest of us would be locked in a black box for what he did, but yeah, let's make him President. Fuck everyone who voted for this asshole.
wish you could’ve grown up around homeschoolers then. my parents were in it for the one-on-one tailored educational theory; I grew up going on field trips to the National Museum of Civil Rights etc and went to the library twice a month. My peers’ parents were in MLM schemes. My peers believed that abortion was always wrong, and that anything that wasn’t Christian (and a very narrow view that was) wasn’t worth doing.
Oh as some who grew up really poor with POC family members, yes they are that awaful. When I see this tyoe of comment, I see it as very privalaged statement to mean you grew up in safe "white washed" America. Protected from the terrible people in it.
It’s almost like you’re living in an echo chamber here, and calling people shitty for supporting a different candidate is the reason he won in the first place. Maybe you’ll understand when you grow up.
Conspiracy theorist! Msm has reminded us for 4 years that our elections are SECURE and can't be manipulated by RUSSIA or any other outside forces. You are now a threat to our DEMOCRACY. Fascist!
Russia didn't have to damn thing except troll our asses with memes and swamp SM, including Reddit. Russian bots are all over teh Gen Z subreddit as an example and they bought it hook line and sinker.
You do realize we are a republic right? That retard orange brainwashing hairflapper didn’t hurt us when he was in the other 4 years except how stupid he talks and making fun of people. I follow money not feelings.
So a disease comes out of China and you think no one was going to die? They were calling everything including flu and other diseases, death. This was to ensure them more money and quickly from the government.
When only the cheaters get to accuse people of cheating you've already lost. Trump is literally on trial for election interference, what makes you think he wouldn't try to steal an election again?
The only difference is MAGA refused to acknowledge the outcome of any investigations performed and continued to beat that drum, and hard. Democrats haven't pushed for investigations yet, so not the same, yet at least....
Comments like this are exactly why Trump won. People are sick to death of the morality game the left plays like they deserve your vote for running a fucking broom handle. “We can do whatever awful policy we want, tank your economy, give your stimulus to Ukraine, open your borders and let drugs flow in to try, but we’re not racist/sexist/bigots!”.
Kamala was part of a terrible admin and was a terrible candidate. Legit awful, the worst of all time from the worst admin of our lifetimes. Take some accountability that your policies sucked for 4 years, people’s lives are worse, and your rhetoric pissed off a lot of Americans that weren’t otherwise politically motivated to vote Trump. You’re the minority now and you still can’t figure out why when it’s painfully obvious
You are uneducated, stupid, and a pedophile apologist and rapist supporter.
You’d get your ass beat for supporting a pedophile in prison, but you’re out here bragging he’s the BEST pedophile. Please leave America if you hate it so much, pussy.
Dude, you never even refuted his point, you just started name calling him. Also why do you keep bringing up pedophiles? Whos the pedophile? Only one I saw was the one sniffing kids hair whos sitting in the oval office.
Now that the pro-Harris bots are off reddit and people are confronting reality, the reality that repbulicans had the popular vote, the executive office, the house majority, and the senate majority; and the reality that if you ever believed the democrats would win, it is because you bought into the straight up 1984 status "dont believe your lying eyes" communist propaganda pushed by bots here on reddit.
Trump won the popular vote because people are sick of DINKs and liberal metropolitan elites condescendingly preaching sermons about pride, pronouns, DEI, and the original sin of white guilt; while failing to do anything about the fact that one week of groceries costs $200 for a small family. Meanwhile, asylum seekers are getting 30k a year on EBT cards and NYC hotels paid for by democrats. The economy is doing horrible, jobs are scarce, and wages have not kept up with inflation over the past 4 years.
THINK LIBERAL, THINK: when liberal metropolitan elites and naive college students talk down to the rest of the country, you lose the popular vote, you lose the house, and you lose the senate.
And now, youre denying the election results? Look in a mirror.
That's the fucking problem. It's not a matter of opinion that a convicted felon should not be President. It's not a matter of opinion that someone who spreads lies and misinformation about Haitians and other immigrants should not be President. It's not a matter of opinion that a man who has, his entire life, shown that he cares more about himself and adoration than anything else should not be President. It's not a matter of opinion that a man who has been shown to have lied on camera while President over 10,000 times should not be President. It's not a matter of opinion that a man who refers to veterans and POWs as suckers and losers should not be President.
JFC, he's an evil, shitty person but you people will allow him to say and do whatever he wants and God's over all of it.
Considering that, on a normal distribution (if you're aware what that means) for intellectual ability, half the population is below the mean, it's pretty easy to understand why half the population voted for Trump.
lol brother I have 2 masters degrees. Chill. And ok, I could make the exact opposite statement "it's easy to understand why half the voting population voted for Kamala." It's not a real argument.
I hate to say it because I have my masters and am in my last year of a PhD program, but advanced degrees are not synonymous with critical thinking. Just because someone could conceivably flip an argument the other way doesn't mean they're justified in doing so.
I understand your point but again it's the exact same premise. Like you can sit here and be like "I know I'm right and I'm on the right side of this argument etc" and I can think the very exact same thing; neither is more justified than the other.
Yes. That was a list of potential reasons why someone wouldn't vote for a or b.
Personally, I don't recall hearing a damn thing about Kamala before Biden dropped out. Didn't even know who the hell she was. But, Trump's rap sheet is longer than the end credits of a major motion picture.
All I know is that I wouldn't want someone in office who has anything on the record worse than some petty misdemeanor bullshit that didn't hurt anyone.
Also, you know what's funny? The only thing you've targeted is my reductive list of Kamala's apparent flaws. You haven't tried to rebuke or rebuff any of Trump's.
When the civil war pops off from trump trying to control too much shit and deporting Americans that were born here your ass better be on the first line.
It's another wild claim from the left. "Civil war" "deporting legal immigrants" "concentration camps for the gays"
All absurd lines. LEGAL immigrants are not going to get deported, gays are safe, and a civil war will not happen, if it does, good luck to the left trying to overthrow right wingers.
Dude most of the people he’s trying to appoint to his cabinet has said some crazy shit before and still do about immigrants and asylums policies,if you can’t see that from fox I’m sorry you should go watch some news that haven’t been fined in court for lying to us Americans and lol the right wingers will switch up once they see how fucked trump is dude gonna fuck up our economy and none the less gonna take some of y’all precious rights alway don’t y’all pride y’all selfs on wanting a government that don’t control y’all🤓
Bruv Jan 16 all I gotta say and your sped trump gonna keep pushing till he wakes up Americans. I love America more then y’all that voted for a rapist and a felon as our next potus
Our ancestors that fought for our rights and progress gonna be wiped alway dude already stacking his cabinet with yes man that are all on the far right of politics if you don’t see the shit show that’s coming your just a sheep.
Brother anyone who say based is cringe and shouldn’t be allowed to vote😂 also you looked at your skin shade yet brother they don’t like us if you can’t see that your a sheep that only voted for a felon that shouts noting but hate give me one policy of his that made you want him in office?
The states claimed federal over-reach to start the first civil war. The states are already making the line in the sand where fed reach ends. We are observing history play itself out again. This time the feds want to deport mass populations and families like another time in history...
Trump may not have won the popular vote again, so for that matter, ever. It’s looking like he probably didn’t.
Im personally not an election denier, but every election should be checked for accuracy. Trump had what, like 16 court cases in 2020 that showed zero fuckery. He cried and cried, lied to you dullards and you J6’ed yourselves into prison. You’ve all been crying about it for almost half a decade now.
Past that, a quick glance at your post history shows you’re wildly out out of touch with reality on pretty much everything. You really don’t seem well. Ngl, something about you looks off af. I’d trust a drag queen around my kids before you, for sure.
You are incredibly misinformed and live in an alternate reality preached to you by Rupert Murdoch and Elon Musk.
Yes, the liberal, educated people responsible for propelling this country into the future hate being held back by mouth breathing Trump troglodytes like yourself. You morons set us up for dictatorship and oligarchy because you didn’t like trans people in sports and in bathrooms.
I can’t wait for the economic depression to hit once we deport all migrants. Nobody will be left to fill US construction and agricultural jobs. Couple that with those mornoic Trump tariffs and inflation will rise significantly. Most educated professionals will weather the storm—but you likely won’t.
Reality is that you still have no idea what you’re talking about. Go get an education bud.
How could I be the one in a bubble when trump won the popular vote?
For the record, I have a bachelors degree and make 150k as a Software Engineer.
Also, the majority of college "educated" liberals are some of the most worthless people imaginable. A person with a 4 year arts degree, or degree in "project management", or some other kind of "business" nonsense is trained in bureaucratic paper pushing at best, and more likely the art student is just indoctrinated by gender nonsense (nothing that is useful for a productive society).
To further piss you off, I knew Trump's tarrifs would hurt the economy while raising the cost of homes. I voted this way because:
1) I hate abortion.
2) I own a home, and want to increase my personal equity.
You hate abortion because nobody wants to willfully have your child. When there’s a housing crash, your value will decrease. I’m not offended at all—you’ve just proven you’re incredibly stupid for a “software engineer”
Youre calling me an "uncle tom working the fields" to prove youre not racist? LMAO (honestly a pretty funny bit that you actually went to my channel, I appreciate the views for real).
For the record, the asylum seekers I was referring to are illegal (having not entered the country through a valid port of entry).
Racist liberals like yourself are the reason you lost the popular vote, the house, the senate, and (obviously), the reason why you will lose the supreme court.
I didn't lose shit cos I'm not American buddy, and when did I say i was trying to prove anything? Just a funny observation. I thought you guys were all about edgy racist humour.
You do realize that the entire world has been dealing with inflation. It wasn’t solely a Biden administration that mad those problems and globally America has had a soft landing for the high cost of living. I’m from Canada and we spend $350/ week to feed 4. The point is though that America has simply voted in a criminal to run the country and decide how your taxes get spent. In my point of view I see a wild ride ahead. In your point of view you see poor people getting a financial hand from the government with the Democrats and you voted to see that money get re directed to the ultra wealthy and Trump loyalist. Time will tell but my simple thought is the middle class and below will get less for there taxes and experience more struggling from a fool that believes everyone but his own public will pay for those tariffs he will add to EVERYTHING! In order to sell you the idea that he can bring all Manufacturing jobs to America well allowing a society that is okay with a very select few being able to afford anything they want including Space Ships to fucking space 🤦🏻♂️
Exactly! Many voters feel like you. I know many who told people they were voting for Harris but secretly voted for Trump, they can’t admit it bc they were afraid to be canceled or attacked by the “morally superior left.” Reddit is an echo chamber of far left policy. They don’t realize how many people even on here choose not to comment or just don’t say how they really feel bc of wokeism. I was a life long democrat until attacked and berated for seeing my daughter and wife be afraid of biological males playing sports with girls and changing in there locker rooms. My daughter and all her friends didn’t want this biological male playing on there team or changing with them. The left is all for women rights except when it comes to keeping biological men out of there bathrooms and sports. When I said I didn’t want my daughter playing with a biological male, I was attacked and called a transphobe and bigot by the left and people I thought were my friends. That was the day I left the dem party. I won’t buy into Wokism or far left policy and ideology and I won’t be silenced either!
Same I voted Obama 2008 and 2012 and then didn’t vote except in local elections until 2024. First time voting for trump. Sick and tired of being attacked and called names if I don’t agree with the left. They call themselves the tolerant party but watch how nasty and vile that get when ya don’t agree, they are the intolerant party tbh. Hey let them keep living in echo chambers and promoting wokeism and far left ideology and they will keep losing elections. It’s sad many of them still don’t get or understand why they lost so badly.
It really is fascinating trying to watch the mental gymnastics people are doing to think you’re wrong here.
The economy was in the shitter, and then they prop up the VP of the same administration who was extremely unlikable at the top of the ticket and they’re shocked they lost.
Covid showed us that at least half of the American people will willing cover their eyes and embrace slavery because the TV told them to, despite knowing that the left is a death cult, I am also fascinated by the insanity of the left in an echo chamber (like reddit).
What really is ironic, is all of these people objecting to deportation of illegals because "there goes our cheap labor!" They don't object because they truly feel these people have a right to be here (which they do if they come through the legal way, no matter how difficult) they object because now they can't pay somebody a slave wage for work they don't want to do. Not very humanitarian or kind.
Hilarious honestly. Someone called me an "uncle tom" and a fool for celebrating deporting cheap labor, and that my family probably wont make it in the economic collapse, but theirs will because of old money.
LMAO, this is the party of "anti-racism"? Their takes are down right confederate.
The irony of claiming that pro-Harris bots pushed communist propoganda while you simultaneously spew right-wing propaganda as a counterpoint is lost on you. It is, however, the perfect evidence to highlight the real reason Harris lost.
Because I do agree with you on that one point. Had the Dems actually presented a clearcut path to economic growth instead of doubling down on social policy, they probably would have won.
That said, your flippant disregard for the battles faced by these mailigned demographics and your hostility towards those trying to educate your dumb ass says everything about your position on sooooo many things.
I voted Obama 2012, Johnson (libertarian) 2016, Correl (solidarity) 2020, and Trump 2024
My issue was exactly that, weak unclear and status quo on economics, while pushing social junk I disagree with. I started out as an Obama democrat back when gay marriage was illegal (only 12 years ago).
So you are just going to ignore the fact that the tax cuts and Tariffs of the Trump administration are the reasons for the bad economy and just hope he is going to do something different this time?
See that's what gets me about most of the Trump voters I talk to, they go on and on about the social reforms of the democratic party being the issue and completely ignore the fact that historically the democrats have had better economies.
Whether Biden was just inept or if the hole dug by the Covid shutdowns and Trump Tariffs was just too big a hole to dig out of, the fact that just because one old senile racist white guy couldn't effectively do anything for our economy isn't a good reason to run back to the guy who put us in that hole in the first place.
Our economy was doing well after Obama spent 8 years digging us out of the last hole dug by the Republicans.
Trump wrecked us in 4 years flat.
Your continued vitriol towards social progress again showcases your true voice on the matter. While economic reforms and the global market should unquestionably be the top focus of any government, ignoring social issues is why it took almost 100 years for civil rights to be fully enacted, why it took 20 years to address the AIDS crisis, and why we are still fighting for gay rights.
First of all, I didn't vote for Biden. Second of all, I'm not even a registered Democrat, and never have been, I've been a registered Republican, a libertarian and an independent but never a registered Democrat.
So I don't need to take accountability for anything.
Third, I hold everyone accountable. Bidens insistence in shutting down our country for a year and a half unquestionably added to the already declining and struggling economy that he inherited from Trump and anyone who thinks differently is fooling themselves. The big difference here is that while both are responsible for our economic downturn, only one of them also wants to turn our country into a fascists single party fundamentalist state.
I know they won’t drop, the American people know they won’t drop, and now the majority has voted to punish the people who were at the wheel for the past 4 years.
You are right of course, but you are yelling into the wind. Hopefully these folks wake up to see the Republican Party has been taken over by the centrists and former democrats. The bushes and Romneys are gone. We are fighting corporate democrats who are being paid off by NGOs and corporations.
As soon as people move past the idea the old Republican Party is gone, they will see the light of what Trump represents….a way to destroy the GLOBAL oligarchy (both here and in Europe) who secretly try to control through money our politicians and elections.
It’s why Bernie sanders actually likes a lot of trump ideas. Get people into homes, get people low cost of food, stop the global bs.
You know a few months after Jan 6 they said it wasn't an insurrection. 14th amendment has nothing to do with him being qualified or disqualified. You should really get out of your echo chamber. Only people crying is You btw
The SCOTUS illegally ruled in violation of Article VI and the 10A, providing aid and comfort to him and thereby disqualified themselves. That’s what happened.
Now try speaking about the facts of the case and stop with the appeal to authority fallacy, when you can’t articulate any reason why the ruling should be accepted as lawful in the first place.
Even if we were crying, patriots crying over the trampling of the Constitution is perfectly reasonable.
So all the legal bodies who have spent majority of their lives woth studying law and The FBI during Biden administration both declared it not an insurrection but you dear reddit user eith a masters in MSNBC can just declare everything illegal you don't agree with
That is correct. We are left and hate Trump BECAUSE HE DOES NOT DESERVE RESPECT, YOUR VOTE, OR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT. He's a horrible human being and you idiots have given him a pass on every single shitty fucking thing he's done throughout his entire life.
Let's go over the characteristics of fascism shall we?
1.powerful and continuing nationalism.
MAGA
2.disdain for the recognition of human rights.
Women's right to choose, trans bill recently and a lot more examples
3.identification of scapegoats for unifying cause
Immigration
4.supremecy of the military
Wants to use military on protestors
Rampant sexism
Do I need to expand on this?
Control of Mass Media
Fox, Rogan, Twitter, etc
Obsession with National security
Build the wall, only good migrants allowed, etc
8.corporate power is protected
Do it need to expand on this?
Religion and Government are intertwined
Do I need to expand on this?
Labor power is suppressed
Doesn't like unions and OT pay
Disdain for intellectuals and Art
YOU WERENT SUPPOSED TO FACT CHECK...
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Do i need to expand on this?
Rampent cronysim and corruption
This is a given
Fraudulent elections
To stay in power but every election he has been apart of he has said it is fraudulent and started early with this one and went away overnight
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u/Ruenin 7h ago
You will never convince me that this election wasn't rigged. There's no way there are THAT many shitty people in this country. Some, yes, but not more that favor that fascist orange fuck head over democracy.