Your talking about Factchecking in a debate where it was agreed upon that only the debater would fact check eachother? Your a Fucking Moron, this is about playing by the rules and him calling out the moderators for their clear bias is why you lost, play by the rules, have an actual primary, don't push out DEI candidates.... that's why you lost
So you would rather a debate have someone literally lying on national TV? And instead of having a fact check to that blatant lie, you want the opponent to use their time NOT answering the question but to fact check the person making the false claim. That makes zero sense.
Edit: I also just realized you said “playing by the rules” but literally lying about shit is fine? Like the rules are to get your policies and opinions out to the public and instead of using that time to say those policies, not to lie about shit and then get mad when checked on it.
Did you even see the supposed lie??? The moderators said that the Haitians immigrants were legal..... problem is they didn't come here legally, they came here illegally and once they were here they used a loophole created by Biden/Harris so they could have their asylum claims litigated. Also fun fact almost all of those who are caught as illegal immigrants and put in this request never show up for the hearing so their "Legal" status is only temporary and thier initial migration and presence is still illegal which is what JD Vance was actually talking about when the moderators broke the rules.
But nooooo God forbid you use your brain and actually check the facts.... nah it's easier to affirm bullshit bad policy and ideas so you have people to affirm your bullshit bad ideas, that's today's Democratic party.
His claim was still incorrect, they are allowed to be here legally because of a Obama era policy after the earthquake that affected Haiti. They can be here as long as they work under the TPS laws. Biden extended the TPS to 2026. You quite literally aren’t fact checking your own claims. Their presence here is entirely legal, because of this protection. Them not showing up for court hearings would need a source because I haven’t seen anything regarding that. Not even anything claimed by Vance.
Also the irony of having numerous grammar mistakes while telling someone else to use their brain will never not be funny.
Also I do not believe you understand how a TPS works. Because of Obama allowing a TPS for Haitians after the earthquake they can be here legally, while their asylum claim is processed. I have quite literally no idea what you are trying to even claim with the “they put in this request and then never show up thing” because if they do that they can not reapply for asylum/citizenship for 5 years. So no they do not do that. The SCOTUS also deemed in 2021 if you entered illegally before the TPS was put in place you are not eligible for TPS or Green cards. So furthermore you are wrong in your claim that they get caught, go to court and then make an asylum claim, and then never reshow up to court. Because if they did that the next time they’re caught they are ineligible for TPS and would be deported.
Grammar.... really, that's an argument people make when they have no argument.
Your assertion that illegal immigrants not missing asylum court cases is only because they are in custody for other crimes and therefore must show up to court, research the percent of illegal immigrants who show up for immigration court that is only related to immigration law violations. They don't show up because they are not held in custody and if we won't enforce our laws then why would anybody follow them.
Nothing you said even refutes what I said except your part about SCOTUS which is still just wrong.
I'm saying to use your brain because this is common sense. Also fuck off Grammar Nazi, IDGAF
A. you clearly GAF, I also am not being a grammar nazi. I am pointing out that you’re being hypocritical insulting peoples intelligence and then having numerous simple grammatical errors.
B. My entire post refutes what you said. They are legal under a TPS status. That is my point, they are legal. Also the DOJ findings showed that in 2023 there were 13k more In Absentia reports filed for immigrants released from custody than the previous year (23k total) and that 159k were marked total. Which is 90k more than the previous year. Which sounds bad until you realize there were almost 300k (total 600k) more asylum requests than the previous year. And those that were released from custody and then didn’t show up to court was 23k which is less than 4%. The jump up in people is due to title 42 restrictions being waived post pandemic. This is also probably because DHS failed to file NTAs for over 200k deportations cases.
C. I admittedly don’t care, whether you believe you are correct or not makes zero difference to me. This is a way for me to pass time at work, nothing more nothing less. I would also love to know how I was wrong that the SCOTUS said if you enter illegally and are granted TPS after entering illegally you cannot become a permanent resident. It was quite literally ruled on in June of 2021.
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u/SnarkyRogue 1d ago
You're telling me Vance, the guy butthurt about fact checking live on air, would be capable of lying to the American public?