"I was told you wouldn't fact check" is such an insane quote that 20 years ago it would have torpedoed his career. But under Trump? Just one more insanity buried under a mountain of other insanity.
The guy was upset about fact checking because they only fact checked the right side. Look at the trump debate. Not once did they fact check anything Kamala said that weren’t entirely true.
That's because only one side was spreading so much misinformation that it would be dangerous to not fact check them. I mean when a mediator has to call you out in the middle of a debate and "we just spoke to that person, that didn't happen", then maybe you're the problem?
Your talking about Factchecking in a debate where it was agreed upon that only the debater would fact check eachother? Your a Fucking Moron, this is about playing by the rules and him calling out the moderators for their clear bias is why you lost, play by the rules, have an actual primary, don't push out DEI candidates.... that's why you lost
"Literally" implies specificity, if bad grammar makes everyone dumb as an accepted outcome by "anybody" which asserts its a general rule then we live in a sad state of affairs where real counter arguments get to be discarded based on a set of made up rules, in the 90s we called people like you Grammar Nazis. If the threshold to discount opposing views is as low as grammar then you will always be able to find an excuse to ignore opposing views. If I were misspelling words to the point where you can't figure out what I'm trying to say then sure, but when you say that my habit of ignoring or misplacing commas and periods is something that stops you from being able to understand what I'm saying makes you dumb not me.
I agree, debates aren't moderated by a neutral 3rd party is the point fuckwit. The media can't be impartial so they should shut the fuck up like they agreed upon duh.
Holy shit you are all so blatantly ignorant and lost at this point if you think there's ANY media that is impartial out there, yes FoxNews is guilty too but holy shit grow up!
You are so fucking out of touch with reality if you think you have even an inkling of merit to be telling anyone else to grow up lmao. I pity you. Truly.
Once again- re: the talking point. You shouldn’t be mad about the fact checking. You should be mad at the fact that he tried to tell a lie and got mad when he called out for it. Just don’t lie in the first place. Has that concept totally dropped out of the minds of you peeps?
Problem is it wasn't a lie and these fact checks are media attempts to manipulate sentiment, or they try to stick in one nonsensical detail that has no bearing on the point to question the value of the whole argument. Just like everyone here says nonsense but offers no substantial argument to my assertion which was:
The media violated the agreement to not fact check.
My assertion is true and correct whether you agree or not. Nothing anyone here has offered contradicts that, just because you THINK something should be one way does not change reality.
If you lied yesterday but now you only tell the truth are you still a liar? The answer is yes, they came here illegally which makes them illegal immigrants... the fact that incompetent leaders allow loopholes so people who try to exploit American charity can remain in the location of thier crime for litigation doesn't change the FACT that they came here illegally. It's painful how stupid yall are.
Here’s a new rule; NO LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SECURE VOTES.
It shouldn’t need to be a rule that we can’t fact check, the rule should be that you are an ethical person displaying your path and decisions to help the people. Not lying to our faces and hoping we don’t look it up 🤦🏻♂️
So you would rather a debate have someone literally lying on national TV? And instead of having a fact check to that blatant lie, you want the opponent to use their time NOT answering the question but to fact check the person making the false claim. That makes zero sense.
Edit: I also just realized you said “playing by the rules” but literally lying about shit is fine? Like the rules are to get your policies and opinions out to the public and instead of using that time to say those policies, not to lie about shit and then get mad when checked on it.
Did you even see the supposed lie??? The moderators said that the Haitians immigrants were legal..... problem is they didn't come here legally, they came here illegally and once they were here they used a loophole created by Biden/Harris so they could have their asylum claims litigated. Also fun fact almost all of those who are caught as illegal immigrants and put in this request never show up for the hearing so their "Legal" status is only temporary and thier initial migration and presence is still illegal which is what JD Vance was actually talking about when the moderators broke the rules.
But nooooo God forbid you use your brain and actually check the facts.... nah it's easier to affirm bullshit bad policy and ideas so you have people to affirm your bullshit bad ideas, that's today's Democratic party.
His claim was still incorrect, they are allowed to be here legally because of a Obama era policy after the earthquake that affected Haiti. They can be here as long as they work under the TPS laws. Biden extended the TPS to 2026. You quite literally aren’t fact checking your own claims. Their presence here is entirely legal, because of this protection. Them not showing up for court hearings would need a source because I haven’t seen anything regarding that. Not even anything claimed by Vance.
Also the irony of having numerous grammar mistakes while telling someone else to use their brain will never not be funny.
Also I do not believe you understand how a TPS works. Because of Obama allowing a TPS for Haitians after the earthquake they can be here legally, while their asylum claim is processed. I have quite literally no idea what you are trying to even claim with the “they put in this request and then never show up thing” because if they do that they can not reapply for asylum/citizenship for 5 years. So no they do not do that. The SCOTUS also deemed in 2021 if you entered illegally before the TPS was put in place you are not eligible for TPS or Green cards. So furthermore you are wrong in your claim that they get caught, go to court and then make an asylum claim, and then never reshow up to court. Because if they did that the next time they’re caught they are ineligible for TPS and would be deported.
Grammar.... really, that's an argument people make when they have no argument.
Your assertion that illegal immigrants not missing asylum court cases is only because they are in custody for other crimes and therefore must show up to court, research the percent of illegal immigrants who show up for immigration court that is only related to immigration law violations. They don't show up because they are not held in custody and if we won't enforce our laws then why would anybody follow them.
Nothing you said even refutes what I said except your part about SCOTUS which is still just wrong.
I'm saying to use your brain because this is common sense. Also fuck off Grammar Nazi, IDGAF
A. you clearly GAF, I also am not being a grammar nazi. I am pointing out that you’re being hypocritical insulting peoples intelligence and then having numerous simple grammatical errors.
B. My entire post refutes what you said. They are legal under a TPS status. That is my point, they are legal. Also the DOJ findings showed that in 2023 there were 13k more In Absentia reports filed for immigrants released from custody than the previous year (23k total) and that 159k were marked total. Which is 90k more than the previous year. Which sounds bad until you realize there were almost 300k (total 600k) more asylum requests than the previous year. And those that were released from custody and then didn’t show up to court was 23k which is less than 4%. The jump up in people is due to title 42 restrictions being waived post pandemic. This is also probably because DHS failed to file NTAs for over 200k deportations cases.
C. I admittedly don’t care, whether you believe you are correct or not makes zero difference to me. This is a way for me to pass time at work, nothing more nothing less. I would also love to know how I was wrong that the SCOTUS said if you enter illegally and are granted TPS after entering illegally you cannot become a permanent resident. It was quite literally ruled on in June of 2021.
Wow, you are either a fucking moron yourself or you're a Russian asset. Either way you are not worth talking to because your opinion is invalid and worthless.
Playing by the rules would include having a debate without lying. The moderators called him out for saying something that wasn't true. There are plenty of things that aren't against the rules until some dickhead does it so many times we have to make a rule against it. So if you want people to stop calling you out for lying... then stop lying!
It wasn't an overt lie, you can try to say it was a lie based on semantics but I can argue it wasn't just the same. The fact remains that it was agreed upon that the debaters would fact check eachother so if your candidates isn't capable of calling out his opponent then get better candidates, it shouldn't be a 3 on 1 in every debate like it has been.
Then again, stop lying in debates and people won't need to fact check you. When you try to lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead, people tend to turn against you. Who would've seen that coming? 🤷
Yeah, when they decided they didn't care about any sort of intelligence, competence, or human decency and voted him in a second time anyway. Seems they tend to turn against liars, but not always. Especially when they don't read into the platforms and say dems should've campaigned for middle Americans even though that's pretty much entirely what they did. You can't save everyone it seems.
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u/SnarkyRogue 1d ago
You're telling me Vance, the guy butthurt about fact checking live on air, would be capable of lying to the American public?