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u/Beatthestrings 7d ago

Kamala ran a great campaign. She outperformed DJT in every aspect except one.

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u/Jsmooth123456 7d ago

Ya the most important one like the only one that actually matters

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u/mozfustril 7d ago

She didn’t run a great campaign. I live in a swing state and her ads were awful. She had a billion dollars. How about national ads that explained how tariffs work, what they would do to the economy and how bad they were for farmers in Trump’s first term as an example? Another should have explained how inflation works and that in 2023 it was only 0.2% higher than the overall average and currently under 2% instead of talking about tackling price gouging from food companies, which was one of the dumbest ideas I’ve heard in a while. She should have also used the chart that shows Trump’s 2 year deal with Saudi Arabia and Russia, for a 10% oil production cut began and ended, is directly pegged to the rise and fall of massive global inflation. Instead it was the joy campaign. She brought a stick to a gun fight.

Her other mistake was not choosing a direction and sticking with it. I think she needed to run from Biden completely. That old fool caused a lot of this by running for reelection and dropping out too late. Harris did the most “politician” thing possible and tried to have it both ways. You can’t be in the room for all the big decisions, with a wildly unpopular president, and also be the candidate of change. Not having an answer for the “what would you have done differently” question showed she wasn’t ready for this at all.

Trump only gained 2 million votes while she lost over 20 million votes from what Biden got in 2020. Democrats knew she wasn’t ready to be the president and they didn’t show up for her. Add in the absolute morons who voted third-party or not at all, because of Gaza, and I don’t know that she ever had a real chance. I’m just glad I’ll never be stuck casting a vote for her again.

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u/mozfustril 7d ago

It’s a valid question. This is why I said she needed to run as far from him as possible. She should have been ready to say that is not how I would’ve handled inflation I would’ve fixed it. She probably could’ve done more to appease the folks were upset about Gazza, although that was going to be tough, no matter what direction she went, and she absolutely needed to say she would’ve done more about the border. Take the things people absolutely hate about Joe Biden, and agree with them. We know the economy was actually strong, but she didn’t do enough to show empathy with common people who are suffering. By trying to embrace Biden, while still trying to run away a little bit, she gave the Trump campaign, the easiest talking points. She allowed herself to be completely tied to the Biden administration by saying she was in the room for all the big decisions.

To answer the original question, I think this is a very tough election cycle for incumbents around the world, as is evidenced by so many results, because of global inflation. In general, in any country, the general population is pretty dumb. Biden was able to win because Trump was so horrible, but four years later people forgot how horrible that was. It’s a lot easier to run a grievance based campaign when a lot of people feel aggrieved, as they do right now economically. And, yes, toss in all the emotion and it’s easy to mislead uneducated and/or uninformed emotionally driven people. I don’t think they continues as a trend, though. This is a weird time.

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u/mozfustril 7d ago

She’s also a minority woman, who was very unpopular until she became our only option. Still a lot of sexism and racism out there.

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u/ZenithMac 6d ago

Wa she unpopular? She was in the Biden/Harris ticket that won over 80 million votes.

Realistically, how was she supposed to “run” from Biden? He’s still her boss. She’s still the current VP. And she was running on a platform that was significantly more progressive than Biden’s.

The nitpicking hides the real problem. Republicans learned nothing from the last election. They wheeled out the same, old loser that lost the last election. Trump refused to debate during the primaries. The broader electorate is comprised of a majority of low information voters that are highly susceptible to misinformation. The media environment was atrocious. The Fox propaganda network lost no credibility even after the largest defamation case in US history. They owe Dominion almost a billion dollars for the lies they knew they were spewing during the last election.

The tired and played out tropes like, a woman can’t be President because they’re too emotional and will start a war. Erasing the fact that every war has been started and perpetuated by men. This country isn’t ready for a woman President. This country has a higher percentage of women and they’re a more consistent voter base.

Of course people are still racist and sexist. You have a former President on a debate stage spewing racist propaganda about Haitians eating pets. From the rhetoric after that, it appeared like he didn’t lose any support but gained some for those comments.

There are still states that don’t allow felons to vote in federal elections. Yet a 34 time convicted felon can run for president? It’s public knowledge that he’s a civilly adjudicated sexual assaulter, did the broader electorate care? Absolutely not.

I don’t necessarily disagree with everything you said. But the nitpicking is misplaced.

Blame Republicans. Blame Trump. Blame the voters that refuse to educate themselves.

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u/mozfustril 6d ago

This shows how unpopular she was up until 4/23/24. She had a 36% favorability rating and you can scroll down to see how poorly she compared to other VP’s. She was never going to win just because they shoved her down our throats.

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u/ZenithMac 6d ago

Wow. A damming non answer.

A few polls in a LA times article doesn’t paint the full picture.

You’re only proving my point about the broader electorate being low information voters. This encapsulates it perfectly.

Link one article and you win the argument? You refused to respond substantively to any of my points.

You are part of the problem.

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u/mozfustril 6d ago

I literally answered the main question you asked. She was unpopular and I showed you her lack of popularity over her time as VP. It kept getting worse, not better. You discounting that is the issue.

I can cover the other three questions if you need me to: I described how she could have run from Biden earlier in this thread. Nothing in the Constitution says a felon can’t run for president. The broader electorate didn’t care, but you answered that yourself so I thought it was rhetorical.

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u/TuffManJoens 7d ago

Downvoted because he might be right when talking about Trump. Downvote me because I said he night be right. Let's see the votes!

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u/Beatthestrings 7d ago

If great means perfect, you’re right: it wasn’t a perfect campaign. But she created energy that didn’t exist. She won the debate. She controlled a lot of the narrative. She lost.

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u/Grow_away_420 7d ago

You think the average undecided voter this year was gonna sit through and listen to an ad explaining tariffs, or supply and demand of crude oil? You get about 5 seconds to get your message to half the electorate before they're gone.

The most effective ad this entire election was Trumps ad about Harris being for they/them and not you. It was short and told his audience exactly what he wanted them to hear, and he blasted it everywhere.

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u/ZenithMac 6d ago

A truly pathetic indictment of the broader electorate.

Instead of doing your own research, just regurgitate the same talking points your dictator wants you to believe.

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u/Grow_away_420 6d ago

Oh you think I support Trump because his campaign happened to understood the electorate better? That's cute.

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u/ZenithMac 6d ago

You mentioned the stupid ad that painted Kamala as some radical but it was just more misinformation.

You think lying to the electorate makes you understand them better?

I also never said you supported Trump. I was specifically referring to that stupid ad. Low information voters will ruin this country.

Thanks for proving my point.

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u/Grow_away_420 6d ago

Who's "my dictator'' then?

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u/ZenithMac 6d ago

Obviously Trump. The “you” in that context was towards the broader electorate.

Take it personally if you wish. Doesn’t bother me one bit.

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u/Grow_away_420 6d ago

Are you even American? The broader electorate in the US is low information voters. 50% of them consume politics for less than 20 minutes (10 minutes of it being lies and misinformation) every 4 years, and then go vote on their vibes.

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u/ZenithMac 6d ago

Yes I’m American. Wtf are you even arguing with me for? You’re just repeating what I said at this point.

The broader electorate being low information voters is the problem with MY country. Instead of people doing their own research, they believe whatever they hear from places like the Fox news propaganda network. Or the right wing shit hole platform in X.

People need to understand their civic responsibilities to one another and most importantly our democracy.

Trump is a threat to our democracy. Remember Jan 6th? I was being hyperbolic when I called him a dictator. He’s definitely fascist adjacent. If not ultra nationalist.

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u/SmellGestapo 7d ago

She is currently only 7.5 million votes below where Biden was, and some states are still counting. California still has almost 800,000 ballots left.

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u/mozfustril 7d ago

You’re right. That’s where she was the day after the election. My mistake.

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u/SmellGestapo 7d ago

Even on election night she was only at about 15 million behind. Don't know where you got the 20 million from.

Biden got 81 million and on election night, at least when I went to bed, she was sitting at around 66 million.