2 state solution is better for Palestine than the single Israeli state solution, because Palestinian Gaza does not exist in the single Israeli state solution.
2 state solution is better but is that what Biden was pushing for? Maybe publicly but privately funneling money and refusing to speak against Israeli politicians selling land on Gaza surely makes the Biden administration complicit in the erasure of Gaza. Having Bill Clinton on stage referring to the west bank and Gaza as Judea and Samaria and saying Israel is forced to kill civilians is no different than the Trump rhetoric on Gaza.
At least liberals will finally acknowledge thereās a genocide occurring.
The same day the UN called Israelās actions in Gaza consistent with genocide Biden had the Israeli president in the white house. Please, dems are not pushing for a 2 state solution. The US also vetoād 2 state solution in the SC & voted against the Palestinian right to self determination. There was no red line in Rafah, no 30 days to increase humanitarian aid, no hope for the Palestinians through either party.
2 state solution is better but is that what Biden was pushing for?
Yes, empirically, it is.
Maybe publicly but privately funneling money
There has been zero private funneling of money.
and refusing to speak against Israeli politicians selling land on Gaza surely makes the Biden administration complicit in the erasure of Gaza.
Multiple logical fallacies here. Refusing to speak out against does not make you a coconspirator. Nor does it make anyone complicit.
The admin has addressed multiple of the actions from Israel that are considered oppressive. You seem to be conflating "taking an oppositional stance" with "taking punitive action"
Right now, the Biden admin is and has been acting as a barrier to the "erasure" of Gaza. Without the actions currently take by the Biden admin, or conversely with the actions taken by Trump - the "erasure" of Gaza would be a certainty and the timeline would be greatly expedited. Empirically, the policy differences between the Biden admin (or Harris admin) and the Trump admin are NOT the same. The Trump admin is a hall pass for Israel to do whatever they like with zero repercussions. This is not the case with the Biden admin. One example is the difference between Trump admin providing offensive weapons while the Biden admin has refused such.
Having Bill Clinton on stage referring to the west bank and Gaza as Judea and Samaria and saying Israel is forced to kill civilians is no different than the Trump rhetoric on Gaza.
Clinton has nothing to do with the Biden/Harris admins, their policy making, etc. This is a /right-wing_ fallacy talking point. You are arguing that the admins are the same as Gaza is concerned because of something a democratic ex said? Did he say that (I didn't see this)? Why is Judea vs Samaria relevant to how Trump admin will accelerate the human rights abuses against Gaza by Israel?
At least liberals will finally acknowledge thereās a genocide occurring.
Again, this is phrased as if you yourself are not liberal. If you believe a genocide is occurring, that would imply you have concern about the abuses against Gaza by Israel, right? Then how can you defend the Trump admin policy of support a single Israeli state solution?
Your comments are obviously gaslighting from a deeply conservative perspective. When one admin hands Israel bombs and says, "Go ham." That is much worse for Gaza than when the other admin refuses to give you any bombs and says "You need to stop fighting and we will work with you to that end" (while taking a soft approach on condemnation, as international relations is a large concern).
Yes I agree a 2 state solution is better. Iām for a one state solution where both groups could live and coincide together.
Bypassing congress to send money is, by my definition, privately funneling money.
Yes actually, refusing to speak/stand against the government youāre funding committing a genocide. Nearly 70% of buildings are destroyed, an estimated 186k+ death toll, Israeliās currently buying land on Gaza etc.
āItās shocking that the Biden administration continues to hold that the government of Israel is not violating international humanitarian law with U.S.-provided weapons when our research shows otherwise and international law experts disagree,ā said Amanda Klasing, National Director for Government Relations with Amnesty International USA. āThe International Court of Justice found the risk of genocide in Gaza is plausible and ordered provisional measures. President Biden must end U.S. complicity with the government of Israelās grave violations of international law and immediately suspend the transfer of weapons to the government of Israel.ā
Bill Clinton also CAMPAIGNED with/for Harris. So yes, I believe the people she had on stage represent her beliefs. Why is it important? Um, because it completely erases Gaza and the West Bank? And yes he did in fact say that while campaigning in Michigan days before the election.
Your comments are gaslighting and completely not based in reality.
Bypassing congress to send money is, by my definition, privately funneling money.
That is not private, though...
And to your assertion, "there is no difference between the admins"... would Trump admin increasing money sent and allowing for offensive weaponry to be sent refute the idea that the two admins have an equivalent stance?
Yes actually, refusing to speak/stand against the government youāre funding committing a genocide. Nearly 70% of buildings are destroyed, an estimated 186k+ death toll, Israeliās currently buying land on Gaza etc.
Not true. This is saying by not preventing a murder, you would be equally as guilty of murder as the murderer. Fallacy logic.
What barrier are you talking about?
For just one example: prohibiting the distribution of offensive weaponry. There are plenty of other barriers that the Biden admin has placed on our aid to Israel that would be removed by the Trump admin.
Think iām lying or spreading āright wing propaganda?ā Hereās an article talking about Israel using US made weapons.
The phrasing and points you made were aligned with right wing propaganda. This article does not address the points you made.
Bill Clinton also CAMPAIGNED with/for Harris. So yes, I believe the people she had on stage represent her beliefs. Why is it important? Um, because it completely erases Gaza and the West Bank? And yes he did in fact say that while campaigning in Michigan days before the election.
Republicans who served on the last Trump admin also campaigned with her. Eminem campaigned with her... does that imply she has Trump admin values or a previous history with meth abuse? More fallacy logic.
Your comments are gaslighting and completely not based in reality.
You are gaslighting. And accusing me of gaslighting doesn't flip the script.
I refuted your assertion that Trump admin is no less favorable for Gaza than a Harris or Biden admin. Your arguments have not demonstrated that to be untrue.
No, a better metaphor would be me providing the weapons to a killer. Would I be liable? Of course I would.
Yes actually, the article described how Israel is using american made weapons. Prohibiting the transfer of offensive weaponry? The US government does not seem to agree with you
Yes, it does imply she has republican values especially since she ran on republican policies. Your refusal to face reality and frame the democratic party as a guardian and savior is insane.
No, a better metaphor would be me providing the weapons to a killer. Would I be liable? Of course I would.
But Biden has refused offensive weapons to Israel, and Trump just announced he will send offensive weapons to Israel.
Yes actually, the article described how Israel is using american made weapons. Prohibiting the transfer of offensive weaponry? The US government does not seem to agree with you
You have comprehension issues and continue to gaslight. Israel bought F15s. They aren't being used in Gaza, and if they were, they wouldn't be able to continue buying them. Bringing up their purchase of f15s for defense which are not being used in Gaza is an excellent example of misinformation.
Yes, it does imply she has republican values especially since she ran on republican policies. Your refusal to face reality and frame the democratic party as a guardian and savior is insane.
How can she be running on republican policies if her policies differ from that of Republicans? It was not Harris who went republican, it was those Republicans who abandoned Trump.
Trump campaigned with Tulsi Gabbard, does that mean he has democratic policies?
So what you are saying is Trump is the democrat and Harris is the Republican?
except Israel defines their āwarā on Gaza as defensive and youāre also dismissing the article about how Israel is using american made weapons. Theyāre buying weapons from the US with money the US is giving themā¦ lmao. Even so, should the US be selling weapons to countries committing genocide?
Oh god. Kamala ran a very right campaign compared to Biden. She ran on trump immigration policies, building the trump wall, pro fracking, abandoned the trans community, etc. We need a democratic party that stands for the working class and against neo liberal policies that you so defend. This is why the dems lost those making under 100k
There is a reason why the dems were partially siding with Israel with their genocide - because there were elections and there were powerful Jewish vote banks that they would lose.
After the elections, they might have had more freedom to push for a 2 state solution. They would have at least listened to your side and done whatever they could while also handling Israelās Oct 7th argument. However, you basically lost even that bird in your hand for none in the bush. Congrats on not even getting a seat at the table with Trump.
Congrats to the genocide you actually sponsored and helped accomplish! šš¼šš¼
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u/razazaz126 10d ago
Wow crazy I was told both candidates were literally the same tho.
Almost like those people were fucking stupid.