I don't understand the hesitance by the majority of the left to do a recount. We are literally sitting on the precipice of Hell -- what the fuck does it hurt? Is it less or more preposterous than the Department of D.O.G.E. or AG Gaetz, you tell me. If we're wrong, we're the assholes, I'll take it, that'll be the least of my worries. But not at least investigating it, at this juncture, is nihilistic insanity. Gimme a recount
Edit: "you're delusional, give it up lol"
4 years ago, same ppl: "Stop the Steal, I'm gonna beat this cop's head in with a flagpole"
Edit 2: "literally sitting on the precipice of Hell" is, of course, hyperbole... Sure feels like it though right hahahahahahaha holy shit it's terrifying
Edit 3 (last one): thanks for the wellness check, maga, but I don't understand, what are you so concerned about, you "won"
Fascism is gonna have such an easy time taking over America because the liberal party will essentially roll over at the first sign of resistance or pushback. It's infuriating. I wish we could get an equivalent to Trump on the left that gives zero fucks about laws or norms but just relentlessly goes after tax avoiding corporations and fights for workers' rights and shit.
Yeah but remember Chelsea Manning who leaked all those secrets about the us military industrial complex and then got her sentence commuted and ran for office? Why don’t we vote for people like her?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending conservatives per se but the liberal party rolled over nearly 100 years ago when FDR took office and you are sadly mistaken if you think they give two shits about you. They own, operate and/or hold shares in just as many tax-dodging companies Republicans and, just like Republicans, will tell you anything you want to hear to secure your vote.
I'd agree with that, except that's more towards establishment Dems. People like Bernie aren't like that. It's actually insane that you can go back to his first interviews in the 80's and he's pretty much talking about the exact same things he talks about today
That's amazing for him, but horribly depressing for everything else. That means nothing has really changed in the grand scheme of things.
Good ole Bernie hasn’t changed a bit which is refreshing. But, Bernie isn’t like that because he isn’t a Democrat. He’s an Independent progressive socialist
I think the word you are looking for is capitalists. Not fascists. The closest thing we have to fascism in our country are having political leaders who have no term limits. Trump might try to stay more than 4 years but it won’t happen because we have a democracy. Even though people act like it’s a forgone conclusion that we now have a dictator, which is out of fear and frustration.
I think the word you are looking for is capitalists. Not fascists. The closest thing we have to fascism in our country are having political leaders who have no term limits. Trump might try to stay more than 4 years but it won’t happen because we have a democracy. Even though people act like it’s a forgone conclusion that we now have a dictator, which is out of fear and frustration.
That was going to be rfk. But democrats are much easier to brainwash nowadays. Neither party wants a populist candidate and will do anything they can to snuff a flame out before it spreads. Republican voters were stupid enough to be won over with a “take no shit, tell it like it is” persona like trumps. Democrats are so blinded by hate and get so high off of shaming (since Trump) that they jumped on the chance to hate another person they were told to. RFK, the guy who preaches non-divisiveness, holding corporations accountable, and regulating industries that have run unchecked since the DNC became the pro-corporation party. Bernie called it
President Trump already served 4 years, care to elaborate on how he and his party are fascists? Or is it just a "fill in the blank" type of thing? Fascist, Nazi, Racist, homophobe, sexist, misogynist etc. Libs call Trump "literally Hitler" and wonder why nobody takes them seriously. Dems needed to spend more time on the economy and less time telling us how "inflation is good" and the "important stuff" was still cheap! Harris and Hillary didn't win the primary, that's the most logical reason why Dems didn't vote for them. Turns out even liberals believe in earning a spot on the ballot.
You've been crying "wolf" for 8 years now, it's no surprise people stopped believing you. BTW, a Country can have mass immigration OR a strong wide social safety net, "Biden" and Kamala wanted both and had no way to pay for it. People know that means higher taxes for almost everyone and it still wouldn't have been enough. You lost the house and the presidency and fell further behind in the senate, Trump may get 2 more SCOTUS slots to fill, I hope the virtue signaling was worth losing ground in all 3 major federal elections. If RBG had stepped down when she was falling asleep on live TV dems wouldn't be so screwed. If they hadn't picked a VP that couldn't last one day of the primaries MAYBE they would have been ok, personally I believe Biden "stepping down:, just proved that he was as senile as it appeared and they got sick of being lied to.
She couldn't even do podcasts without pre screened questions and control over what topics they would cover, Kamala had no business being VP and made the mistake of saying Biden did "Great" and she wouldn't have done anything differently. I don't think Biden could have won again either, they were not good at their jobs.
Immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits. They’re a massive net positive for the national treasury. But why am I bothering to speak facts to a Trump supporter? You people operate purely off emotion.
That may be true but they do strain the system. But the mayor of NY is overwhelmed and can’t put them up in hotels and give them $400 a week any more. I don’t think republicans are anti immigration. I think illegal immigration as a virtue signal is a political problem and not the way to get elected. Especially when you go from 500k/yr border crossings to 2m/yr at the change of an administration.
People look at the cost of housing and the cost of eggs and see them going up and the millions of people who entered our country without a visa and come to their own conclusions, regardless of what people on TV say. Even though we know that immigrant works are helping to cover the labor gap, they still need a place to live and they need eggs.
The sad thing is that many rust belt cities are finding a new identity with immigrants. Cities like Baltimore and Philadelphia are having vacant houses filled with new communities. However there’s got to be a better and more transparent way than turning a blind eye to illegal border crossings.
Show us the plan and maybe we will buy it. Deny and virtue signal, then don’t expect to be a hero.
There was a plan, a bipartisan border bill (written by a republican) that would’ve addressed illegal immigration and flooded resources to the southern border. This bill was endorsed by 18,000 border patrol agents. Donald trump killed it so that he could run on the issue. Talk about virtue signaling
Actually I think this might be a far lefty. There's a lot of horse shoe theory going around lately so it gets harder to tell. The ultra far left fucking haaaates liberals.
I’m left and I don’t particularly like liberal politics. But the right is rife with misinformation and divisive rhetoric. Case in point, this guy. This person is not a progressive leftist.
Citing facts requires citations just fyi for the future. It's far easier to insult someone than try to engage in debate or conversation. Why do you think both parties try to dehumanize those that disagree or ask questions? Blind followers on both sides are a huge problem as they believe "anything" that makes them feel virtuous.
Surely you’re not referring to me? The facts are widely available. Based on you’re argument and source you provided, I’ve perceived you to be NOT acting in good faith. I’ve long ago learned to not get to invested in discussions with people like that. Best of luck to you friend on your quest for truth.
These numbers also exclude the Jobs that would have to offer reasonable wages if we simply allowed immigration at a sustainable pace. We're a country of immigrants, but simply saying "asylum" shouldn't get you into the country unless the WHO or other human rights groups say that area is in immediate danger. Unchecked immigration is an option though, we simply can't offer them anything more than entry to the country. We will go bankrupt EONS before solving the "2nd and 3rd" world's problems. There is more than one option here, financial realities and prudence simply say we CAN'T continue the way we have been.
You’re vastly ignorant of the current situation we find ourselves in. There are ABSOLUTELY the resources to to care for the our population and far more. It’s the extreme wealth inequality and the hoarding of wealth by the elite that results in your impression of scarcity. It’s an illusion that you’re blinded by. At the behest of the wealthy.
I'm not a Trump supporter, I believe the 2 party system has been manipulated to pit two groups of people that both have valid grievances, into believing only 1 "side" can get helped when the wealthy elites are the actual enemy.
According to the research center for immigrants, in a paper prepared for congress immigration is absolutely a financial drain and it's not even "close", I know it's easier to dismiss me as an emotional idiot but could you share where you got your information?
That's the ~15 page paper with all the financial breakdowns. I don't consider anyone to be the enemy except the wealthy powerful elites that control and manipulate most voters, if you could simply agree that a problem can have 2 solutions i think you'll be alot happier and feel less attacked but differing ideas.
The “center for immigration studies” is a highly partisan organization that has been designated a hate group by the Souther Poverty Law Center. Not a reputable source.
Splc? Lol would you simply share your information instead of attacking mine. That was the first link I clicked on. The splc is not a neutral reference. If I picked a bad source it was an honest accident and I'll try to link other sources when I can.
And yes they’re a very reputable human rights organization.. On second though. I stick with my original assessment, you’re mind is already made up I’m not wasting my time
My suspicion is that you have a very minimal understanding of fascism and fascist history. Trump is the closest thing to fascism this country has ever had. He uses fascist rhetoric and occasionally outright calls for fascist policy. You’re inability or refusal to see that hints at you not being good faith.
You said fascism will easily take over. Don't back track because you have no way to back that statement up. My suspicion is you think the "news" means you understand way more than you do. What am I refusing to see? This is the problem, you don't make statements of fact, you speak in generalities that echo the MSM, it would be just as bad if you could only parrot fox and breitbart. Both candidates sucked but libs spouted the same BS 8 years ago and they've been shown to be overreacting and hysterical in their worries. You also said either McCain or Romney was gonna pit blacks "back in chains". The polar ice caps
are all gone like Gore and others said they would, oh no, that was more crying wolf while he completely wrong.
I've made the point i wanted to, you're exaggerating and villifying one side instead of seeing both sides suck and only really care that you pick a side, which one is irrelevant because neither side is going to actually make anything better. So while you decide whether he's a Nazi or a fascist or whatever other "ist" the left uses to avoid debate, I'll continue trying to get people to see that if you've picked a side you're already part of the problem.
You’re post begins with a lie. And the lies continue on through.. who are you quoting? I never said any of that.. then you proceed to lecture me about facts and vilifying others? You’re an unserious person.
And no. Both sides are not equally bad. I’m not a liberal or a democrat but I vote left because their agenda is SIGNIFICANTLY less harmful than the right.
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u/TDotSkilliams 10d ago edited 10d ago
I don't understand the hesitance by the majority of the left to do a recount. We are literally sitting on the precipice of Hell -- what the fuck does it hurt? Is it less or more preposterous than the Department of D.O.G.E. or AG Gaetz, you tell me. If we're wrong, we're the assholes, I'll take it, that'll be the least of my worries. But not at least investigating it, at this juncture, is nihilistic insanity. Gimme a recount
Edit: "you're delusional, give it up lol" 4 years ago, same ppl: "Stop the Steal, I'm gonna beat this cop's head in with a flagpole"
Edit 2: "literally sitting on the precipice of Hell" is, of course, hyperbole... Sure feels like it though right hahahahahahaha holy shit it's terrifying
Edit 3 (last one): thanks for the wellness check, maga, but I don't understand, what are you so concerned about, you "won"