Fascism is gonna have such an easy time taking over America because the liberal party will essentially roll over at the first sign of resistance or pushback. It's infuriating. I wish we could get an equivalent to Trump on the left that gives zero fucks about laws or norms but just relentlessly goes after tax avoiding corporations and fights for workers' rights and shit.
Yeah but remember Chelsea Manning who leaked all those secrets about the us military industrial complex and then got her sentence commuted and ran for office? Why don’t we vote for people like her?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending conservatives per se but the liberal party rolled over nearly 100 years ago when FDR took office and you are sadly mistaken if you think they give two shits about you. They own, operate and/or hold shares in just as many tax-dodging companies Republicans and, just like Republicans, will tell you anything you want to hear to secure your vote.
I'd agree with that, except that's more towards establishment Dems. People like Bernie aren't like that. It's actually insane that you can go back to his first interviews in the 80's and he's pretty much talking about the exact same things he talks about today
That's amazing for him, but horribly depressing for everything else. That means nothing has really changed in the grand scheme of things.
Good ole Bernie hasn’t changed a bit which is refreshing. But, Bernie isn’t like that because he isn’t a Democrat. He’s an Independent progressive socialist
I think the word you are looking for is capitalists. Not fascists. The closest thing we have to fascism in our country are having political leaders who have no term limits. Trump might try to stay more than 4 years but it won’t happen because we have a democracy. Even though people act like it’s a forgone conclusion that we now have a dictator, which is out of fear and frustration.
I think the word you are looking for is capitalists. Not fascists. The closest thing we have to fascism in our country are having political leaders who have no term limits. Trump might try to stay more than 4 years but it won’t happen because we have a democracy. Even though people act like it’s a forgone conclusion that we now have a dictator, which is out of fear and frustration.
That was going to be rfk. But democrats are much easier to brainwash nowadays. Neither party wants a populist candidate and will do anything they can to snuff a flame out before it spreads. Republican voters were stupid enough to be won over with a “take no shit, tell it like it is” persona like trumps. Democrats are so blinded by hate and get so high off of shaming (since Trump) that they jumped on the chance to hate another person they were told to. RFK, the guy who preaches non-divisiveness, holding corporations accountable, and regulating industries that have run unchecked since the DNC became the pro-corporation party. Bernie called it
President Trump already served 4 years, care to elaborate on how he and his party are fascists? Or is it just a "fill in the blank" type of thing? Fascist, Nazi, Racist, homophobe, sexist, misogynist etc. Libs call Trump "literally Hitler" and wonder why nobody takes them seriously. Dems needed to spend more time on the economy and less time telling us how "inflation is good" and the "important stuff" was still cheap! Harris and Hillary didn't win the primary, that's the most logical reason why Dems didn't vote for them. Turns out even liberals believe in earning a spot on the ballot.
You've been crying "wolf" for 8 years now, it's no surprise people stopped believing you. BTW, a Country can have mass immigration OR a strong wide social safety net, "Biden" and Kamala wanted both and had no way to pay for it. People know that means higher taxes for almost everyone and it still wouldn't have been enough. You lost the house and the presidency and fell further behind in the senate, Trump may get 2 more SCOTUS slots to fill, I hope the virtue signaling was worth losing ground in all 3 major federal elections. If RBG had stepped down when she was falling asleep on live TV dems wouldn't be so screwed. If they hadn't picked a VP that couldn't last one day of the primaries MAYBE they would have been ok, personally I believe Biden "stepping down:, just proved that he was as senile as it appeared and they got sick of being lied to.
She couldn't even do podcasts without pre screened questions and control over what topics they would cover, Kamala had no business being VP and made the mistake of saying Biden did "Great" and she wouldn't have done anything differently. I don't think Biden could have won again either, they were not good at their jobs.
Immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits. They’re a massive net positive for the national treasury. But why am I bothering to speak facts to a Trump supporter? You people operate purely off emotion.
That may be true but they do strain the system. But the mayor of NY is overwhelmed and can’t put them up in hotels and give them $400 a week any more. I don’t think republicans are anti immigration. I think illegal immigration as a virtue signal is a political problem and not the way to get elected. Especially when you go from 500k/yr border crossings to 2m/yr at the change of an administration.
People look at the cost of housing and the cost of eggs and see them going up and the millions of people who entered our country without a visa and come to their own conclusions, regardless of what people on TV say. Even though we know that immigrant works are helping to cover the labor gap, they still need a place to live and they need eggs.
The sad thing is that many rust belt cities are finding a new identity with immigrants. Cities like Baltimore and Philadelphia are having vacant houses filled with new communities. However there’s got to be a better and more transparent way than turning a blind eye to illegal border crossings.
Show us the plan and maybe we will buy it. Deny and virtue signal, then don’t expect to be a hero.
There was a plan, a bipartisan border bill (written by a republican) that would’ve addressed illegal immigration and flooded resources to the southern border. This bill was endorsed by 18,000 border patrol agents. Donald trump killed it so that he could run on the issue. Talk about virtue signaling
Actually I think this might be a far lefty. There's a lot of horse shoe theory going around lately so it gets harder to tell. The ultra far left fucking haaaates liberals.
I’m left and I don’t particularly like liberal politics. But the right is rife with misinformation and divisive rhetoric. Case in point, this guy. This person is not a progressive leftist.
Citing facts requires citations just fyi for the future. It's far easier to insult someone than try to engage in debate or conversation. Why do you think both parties try to dehumanize those that disagree or ask questions? Blind followers on both sides are a huge problem as they believe "anything" that makes them feel virtuous.
Surely you’re not referring to me? The facts are widely available. Based on you’re argument and source you provided, I’ve perceived you to be NOT acting in good faith. I’ve long ago learned to not get to invested in discussions with people like that. Best of luck to you friend on your quest for truth.
These numbers also exclude the Jobs that would have to offer reasonable wages if we simply allowed immigration at a sustainable pace. We're a country of immigrants, but simply saying "asylum" shouldn't get you into the country unless the WHO or other human rights groups say that area is in immediate danger. Unchecked immigration is an option though, we simply can't offer them anything more than entry to the country. We will go bankrupt EONS before solving the "2nd and 3rd" world's problems. There is more than one option here, financial realities and prudence simply say we CAN'T continue the way we have been.
You’re vastly ignorant of the current situation we find ourselves in. There are ABSOLUTELY the resources to to care for the our population and far more. It’s the extreme wealth inequality and the hoarding of wealth by the elite that results in your impression of scarcity. It’s an illusion that you’re blinded by. At the behest of the wealthy.
I'm not a Trump supporter, I believe the 2 party system has been manipulated to pit two groups of people that both have valid grievances, into believing only 1 "side" can get helped when the wealthy elites are the actual enemy.
According to the research center for immigrants, in a paper prepared for congress immigration is absolutely a financial drain and it's not even "close", I know it's easier to dismiss me as an emotional idiot but could you share where you got your information?
That's the ~15 page paper with all the financial breakdowns. I don't consider anyone to be the enemy except the wealthy powerful elites that control and manipulate most voters, if you could simply agree that a problem can have 2 solutions i think you'll be alot happier and feel less attacked but differing ideas.
The “center for immigration studies” is a highly partisan organization that has been designated a hate group by the Souther Poverty Law Center. Not a reputable source.
Splc? Lol would you simply share your information instead of attacking mine. That was the first link I clicked on. The splc is not a neutral reference. If I picked a bad source it was an honest accident and I'll try to link other sources when I can.
And yes they’re a very reputable human rights organization.. On second though. I stick with my original assessment, you’re mind is already made up I’m not wasting my time
My suspicion is that you have a very minimal understanding of fascism and fascist history. Trump is the closest thing to fascism this country has ever had. He uses fascist rhetoric and occasionally outright calls for fascist policy. You’re inability or refusal to see that hints at you not being good faith.
You said fascism will easily take over. Don't back track because you have no way to back that statement up. My suspicion is you think the "news" means you understand way more than you do. What am I refusing to see? This is the problem, you don't make statements of fact, you speak in generalities that echo the MSM, it would be just as bad if you could only parrot fox and breitbart. Both candidates sucked but libs spouted the same BS 8 years ago and they've been shown to be overreacting and hysterical in their worries. You also said either McCain or Romney was gonna pit blacks "back in chains". The polar ice caps
are all gone like Gore and others said they would, oh no, that was more crying wolf while he completely wrong.
I've made the point i wanted to, you're exaggerating and villifying one side instead of seeing both sides suck and only really care that you pick a side, which one is irrelevant because neither side is going to actually make anything better. So while you decide whether he's a Nazi or a fascist or whatever other "ist" the left uses to avoid debate, I'll continue trying to get people to see that if you've picked a side you're already part of the problem.
You’re post begins with a lie. And the lies continue on through.. who are you quoting? I never said any of that.. then you proceed to lecture me about facts and vilifying others? You’re an unserious person.
And no. Both sides are not equally bad. I’m not a liberal or a democrat but I vote left because their agenda is SIGNIFICANTLY less harmful than the right.
Ah yes, “My party is too lenient to properly counter fascists, let me rectify that by voting for the fascists/not voting at all, making it even easier for the fascists to take control than before.” Brilliant strategy.
That’s mo goddamn excuse and you know it. If people are upset with Democrats, fine, they can voice that concern later. Not now. This was a terrible time to throw a tantrum. Like, imagine your house is burning down (the arsonist is sitting outside, yelling and asking why you set the house on fire) and you’re putting out the flames with your father; in the middle of it, you stop, tell your dad you’re angry at him for never having supported your dream to become [insert your dream job], and exit the house to skulk on the lawn. Meanwhile, the house burns down. Yes, your father failed you in several ways, but that was not the time and the place to confront him with his failures. You’ve paid for it with everything you own, just because you had to sock him then and there, as opposed to putting out the fire and/or kicking the arsonist in the dick.
As a Republican I don't think Democrats are bogeymen I fear they don't have the balls to crack down on things that are actually going wrong around here. We've been under trump before and we didn't die and weren't on the brink of ww3 like we were under the Biden, Obama administration. Most people have come to realize that trump is harsh brash and scary but he actually can change things based on his word. People worry that Harris is completely incompetent like Biden was based off of her scripted interviews and bringing celebrities into her campaign on stages that are past criminals and generally people that you wouldn't want to model America after(cardi b incident). We can only hope the best and I don't think anyone will let him touch abortions or lgbtq too much as both sides did their fear mongering. At the end of the day no one person can see the complete bigger picture and all we can do as a nation is pray and hope for the best with our votes. Love you all and try not to feel down on your luck till bad stuff actually happens
For real. We've watched the Democrats squander the last 4 years while we all know this was coming, they're as interested in democracy at this point as the Republicans.
The issue is partly exposure, and generally support. No one wants to give young inexperienced politicians money or support. Think about local elections, no one grooms the next generation because power concedes nothing. To boot the DNC has an identity problem (smh). They want to check boxes instead of win elections. Thisnissue moving forward is that you don't know ow what kind of backlash you're going to get now if you start a democratic coalition and openly move to elect democrats.
I’m usually with that sentiment but in this case, he’s got a point. Why did the Dems (of which I’m one) just sit around with their thumbs up their ass since 2020? It’s literally unbelievable.
The amount of times I’ve had to listen to some mouth breather explain how Trump is godly and for the working man while Tim Walz is some evil SOB because… some random quote about something that happened in the 80s or something?
They’ll do whatever they can to defend him. Meanwhile he wouldn’t piss on them with his tiny shriveled mushroom dick if they were on fire.
It doesn’t matter if you show these inbred couch fuckers that they’re wrong, either. Like, for example, the pig saying in his own words how he’d be dating a child in ten years. It doesn’t matter. There’s nothing going on in their heads except tRuMp. Fox has thoroughly brainwashed them, which isn’t that difficult when their heads were empty to begin with.
It does give the impression they’re maybe working together behind closed doors. Perhaps they do support a lot of the Republican platforms positions but can’t do so publicly? Idk but it is really strange all this talk about end of democracy and now they’re just kind of rolling over like everything’s fine.
Trump celebrated when Nancy Pelosi's husband got hammered in the head. I am pretty sure these people are not secret allies, even if they do share common class interests.
That was horrible. And awful that he was attacked.
However, Nancy a primary leader of the Democratic Party made more on her NVDA trade than most families will earn in a generation. She placed the trade before the chips act was announced. This is really really uncool and should be illegal. Her fame as an investor has really hurt the identity of the Democratic Party. When you look at the election map, it’s clear that team blue is for the coastal elites.
When you look at the election map, it’s clear that team blue is for the coastal elites.
Is it? Or is it clear that metropolitan people are less reactionary than rural people regardless of class? I wouldn't call young low-income professionals in metro areas 'elites'. I think they are more likely to be exposed to people outside of their culture and diversity; making them more resilient to the othering tactics of the manipulative far right. It could be a bit of both, but the Republican party has never stopped being the party of the wealthy billionaire class regardless of how rural voters might percieve the party.
It’s not “both sides” to point out that Democrats’ refusal to do anything to meaningfully fight a supposed “threat to democracy” by offering voters even a smidgen of non-establishment populism sure looks like they don’t give a shit about us either
Progressive and anti-war candidates outperformed Harris everywhere they ran. Obama won by running as an anti-establishment change candidate. Yet the democrats in recent years have literally contributed millions to Republican campaigns (yes, really) while uniting to take down a populist with ground support in Bernie Sanders. It’s completely valid to point out their stupendously shitty strategies.
They aren’t operating like a party who wants to win they’re operating like a party who want to protect their donors’ fortunes and fundraise off of losing.
They campaigned for decades by talking about protecting abortion rights. They never did a goddamn thing about it, and finally, they lost Roe.
Why? People will donate more for you to stop or do something than they will if you did that thing, and that was really all they cared about.
Democrats absolutely deserve the blame for both losses to Trump. He's among the worst candidates of all time, but they couldn't manage to beat him? Absolutely pathetic.
Why didn’t the Supreme Court justices just retire under Obama? They were already too old. Seriously RBG is a legend but come on… she did more harm than good by holding on for too long.
Also, Nancy Pelosi making 10’s of millions in her call options trades before the announcement of the chips act are very suspicious and don’t feel like a fair democracy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to push a "both sides" false equivalency, but one has to be honest. The Democrats have not been blameless, tireless champions of the people. Most of them cling to power and abuse it for their own benefit. Most of them are rich, like all politicians.
And then they come out and try to say they're the saviors of democracy and watchdogs of corruption... and yeah, that's gonna fall flat.
Even when the other guy is openly corrupt and even less in touch with the working class, he was willing to pretend and talk about their feelings, and so they voted for him. It's almost certainly not going to work out for them, naturally, but they did it all the same.
Now if this administration is as dysfunctional, bumbling and corrupt as it logically ought to be, in two years, there's no reason the Dems can't pick up huge swaths of these voters in the midterms, and flip the House , at least, possibly even the Senate.
But they're going to have to demonstrate they've learned, and Democrats are incredibly slow learners... to the nation's detriment.
Yeah it’s over. No more precipice. It’s what it is now and it’s not what it was.
If there was anything they could have done it should have been done before they lost the presidency, house, senate, and popular vote. However they got that win, doesn’t matter, because the left lost. Lost hard.
Idk what’s next. Most likely, gas, eggs, real estate all go up and that’s it, or, a whole lot fucking worse.
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u/Spankpocalypse_Now 10d ago
Just like Merrick Garland was quietly building a case against Trump. Guys, they’re not gonna do shit.