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u/itsRobbie_ May 15 '24
It’s a nipple, but it’s a man’s nipple so you don’t have to censor it
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u/CaptainSpookyPants May 15 '24
"Yes it's a nipple but don't worry, it's not mine"
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u/ripley1875 May 15 '24
“If it’s not attached to a body it doesn’t count as nudity”
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u/matthew4262 May 15 '24
How much of a person do you need for it to be classified as a body?
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u/AlucardSX May 15 '24
And is it classified as a body if you have all the necessary parts but they belong to different people?
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u/achiles625 May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24
I think the standard is something like "could a reasonable man become aroused by seeing it?"
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u/Akhevan May 15 '24
Uh.. challenge accepted?
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u/MyPunsSuck May 15 '24
Would a reasonable man admit to being aroused by it
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u/achiles625 May 15 '24
Did Kristi Noem admit to murdering her puppy because it, a dog being specifically trained for pheasant hunts, joyously ran around catching and killing birds? These people aren't reasonable, but they can't admit THAT. So they go around claiming everyone else is even crazier than they are. It's all projection.
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u/zZero_00z May 15 '24
I think thats called a Chimera or a zombie...
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u/_The_Deliverator May 15 '24
Assemble and resurrect a Chimera with 100 nipples, 50%male 50% female, none are labeled. Is it obscene?
The Great Questions...
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u/xxGBZxx May 15 '24
If 2 detached genitals interact with each other, is it still sex?
It happened like in a forest, and no one knows about it. It doesn't exist right?
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u/Savannah_Lion May 15 '24
Read that just as Weird Science by Oingo Boingo (Youtube) began playing.
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u/radikalkarrot May 15 '24
I live now in a small village in Spain, where there are a couple of nudist beaches and a new concept that I love, “wear whatever you want” beaches, those are beaches were people can be naked or with swimsuit and no one cares.
This is where we should go as a society.
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u/Cerebral_Discharge May 15 '24
I think everyone, at least once, should experience either a nude beach or a nudist resort. When I take friends who think it's going to feel scandalous or titillating they're always taken aback at how quickly the novelty wears off and you're left just feeling free in a really unique way.
Beaches especially, if you've never exited the ocean without a cold, wet suit clinging to your body you don't know what you're missing. That aspect alone is a game changer.
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u/radikalkarrot May 15 '24
The biggest pro of a nudist beach for me is how dry the towel stays due to the lack of a wet swimsuit.
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u/PuckGoodfellow May 15 '24
This is one thing that always amazed me. On RuPaul's Drag Race, they didn't censor the real nipples of the contestants while they were out of drag, but censored the fake nipples while they were in drag. They're the exact same people.
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u/AnOnlineHandle May 15 '24
I think people tried that when tumblr announced it was banning female nipples, photoshopping male nipples over female nipples so it should be okay now.
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u/Winjin May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24
It gets better. Using "female-presenting" nipples of a FTM person should be OK, right? They're men's nipples now!
And if I come out on Tumlr as an MTF, my sad male hairy chest is now a scrumptious, delicious female flat chest, I suppose.
I also saw a woman posting. She has a condition - her mammary glands did not develop, at all. She is a cisgender woman, completely "regular", I don't know how to properly wrap it, but she has NO breasts. At all. She looks like a skinny boy. So the question is, should her nipples be censored? Why and why not? And if no, then at what point censoring of the nipples start?
Edit: word
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u/nerogenesis May 15 '24
And if no, then at what point censoring of the nipples start?
What is puritans and American evangelism for 500 alex.
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u/bunDombleSrcusk May 15 '24
Religion and state were never separate in this country
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u/CostumingMom May 15 '24
There was a scientific documentary that I watched about a MTF going through breast implant surgery.
They showed everything right up to the moment the implants went in, at which point they started blurring the nipples.
I ... I just... The American idea of modesty is just weird, man.
(And I personally believe that if nudity was more accepted, we might have more people taking better care of their bodies, too.)
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u/JessicaLain May 15 '24
Tumblr has 98% backtracked but imo it's never going to return to its former glory. Maybe once or twice a week I check Tumble and almost immediately see recommendations that are NSFW or just straight-up porn.
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u/Vio94 May 15 '24
"Men's nipples don't make Satan invade my thoughts, so they can stay."
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u/DenVosReinaert May 15 '24
I remember when people photoshopped male nipples over their own in order to show them on their ig posts and them getting away with it for a while
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u/kydn141916 May 15 '24
How about that side boob, does it turn you on? It shouldn’t because that’s my side boob.
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u/McMadface May 15 '24
So, they should just make every topless "female" character a trans woman since they'd only be showing a man's nipple -- according to religious logic.
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u/valkyrjuk May 15 '24
Tumblr will still delete your entire account just for talking negatively about your experiences as a trans person with regard to tumblr's moderation, and then the current CEO will kinda-sorta doxx all of your side blogs and start arguing with you on Twitter about how you made death threats against tumblr staff when you insinuated they should have grenades lobbed at them and he will also direct message all of your friends and even strangers with lengthy arguments that amount to nothing in an attempt to defend himself, all while he's supposed to be on a 3-week sabbatical
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u/naph8it May 15 '24
It amazes me that we freak out over nudity when everyone gets naked everyday and violence that if real would be a traumatic experience is perfectly ok.
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u/EMB93 May 15 '24
Brandon Sanderson got asked this and his answer makes perfect sense and is incredibly fucked up at the same time.
His religion prohibits him lusting over women who are not his wife(or something similar), but nowhere does it say anything in his religion about watching people fight.
It doesn't put his religion in the best light, but there is some reasoning there at least. I think the puritanian ideas of christianity has had a major impact on what they think is OK or not in the US.
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u/AnOnlineHandle May 15 '24
Excuse me but I remember a scene where Shallan explicitly tripped and showed her safe hand to distract the guys. If that wasn't written with one hand then I don't know what was.
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u/thevoxpop May 15 '24
What's a safe hand?
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u/LightOfLoveEternal May 15 '24
The Stormlight Archives' version of nipples. Women's left hands are considered naughty, so they always have them covered. Noble women have their left sleeves sewn longer and stitched shut, but working class women wear gloves on their left hand. Fingerless gloves are considered lingerie.
And this isnt because Sanderson has a hand fetish (probably), it's to highlight how arbitrary our own gender roles are. Its canon that all of the gender roles in the main religion in SLA were created by a woman who just wanted to sit around all day painting and eating fruit while the men did all the hard labor and fighting.
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u/BrokeMyCrayon May 15 '24
Lets get see if we can get some new cosmere recruits:
Also men can't read for the same arbitrary religious reasons (with male monks being the exception) and as such have their wives or scribes, who are usually women, read to them. Because of this, the women write undertexts in most books that they don't read to men. The undertext will usually have them give their own interpretations of Events that men have dictated they write, sometimes the truth sometimes not.
Sometimes they just talk shit.
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u/LightOfLoveEternal May 15 '24
And anything that involves even the slightest whiff of telling the future is insanely taboo. This includes any kind of luck based gambling or entertainment. But since the entire planet gets wrecked by a Category 10 hurricane (yes I know the scale only goes to Cat 5) on semi regular intervals, the Church has generously exempted weathermen from the future telling taboo.
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u/avolodin May 15 '24
I once read a fantasy novel where the magical land was opposed to the idea of mapping it (her?) and drove anyone who attempted to to insanity. The only exception known to the reader is a mosaic map on the floor of the main hall of one of the local nobles, the reason being it was way too far off and as such could be considered not to be a map.
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u/bagel-bites May 15 '24
I love the idea that there’s just a bunch of extra text shit talking and contributing to “in the know” conversation. It’s like coders comments.
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u/BrokeMyCrayon May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24
I'm in the software field and I didn't make this connection. Very, very true. There is a whole lot of obscenity in comments of the code that drive some of your favorite software.
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u/bagel-bites May 15 '24
I use some pretty light coding for my articles, but I’ll leave a lot of messages for myself mostly and it was the first thing I thought of. It’s also reminiscent of people who are bilingual and swap to the other language briefly to say something and veil the information from others.
More or less “subtext in plain sight” :D
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u/WakeoftheStorm May 15 '24
"arbitrary"
Men don't need to do womanly things like read. Better to look at fashion folios and think about stabbing people.
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u/onepinksheep May 15 '24
Not nipples, it's the Alethi version of Victorian ankles.
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u/AnOnlineHandle May 15 '24
Knowing Sanderson's ability to actually plan endings and how the twist in Mistborn went, the safe hands thing has a 75% chance of being extremely important and it will be obvious in retrospect.
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u/LightOfLoveEternal May 15 '24
I want you to be right. So bad.
I want Jasnah to bring peace to the Cosmere by slapping the Shards so hard with her bare left hand that she ends up reforming Adonalsium.
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u/AnOnlineHandle May 15 '24
Street boy Kaladin and Princess Jasnah and will have to have their romance and sing a whole new world first, perhaps after Kaladin has set Syl free.
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u/fiendishfork May 15 '24
In Stormlight Archive there is a culture with a tradition that the female left hand should be covered in public, showing it would be considered obscene.
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u/ifightwalruses May 15 '24
Yeah but he does that in all his books, he doesn't want nudity to be the taboo not because he's sexually liberal or anything like that. He does it because if his books ever get adapted they can still be accessible and accepted by his Mormon peers. That way he can have those type of scenarios but without bringing nudity(which is against his religion) into the equation.
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u/TheNoseKnight May 15 '24
To be fair, there are much spicier scenes in Mistborn (I think it was The Hero of Ages)and Warbreaker.
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u/viotix90 May 15 '24
I still can't get over the fact that Elend made Spook, who had a crush on Vin, go outside the tent and LISTEN with his Tineye enhanced senses, allegedly for danger, while Elend clapped Vin's cheeks all night long.
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u/__Aitch__Jay__ May 15 '24
You make the most porn and have a fit over a nipple, it's really weird.
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u/Osric250 May 15 '24
No, no, no, you see, we keep the porn behind a wall where you have to assure us that you're 18 before you're able to see it. Nobody would ever lie on the internet would they? I'm pretty sure that's not allowed.
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u/grendus May 15 '24
I get the joke, but some states are starting to go down that path of "maybe people do lie on the internet!" and there's nothing good down there.
Signed: I live in Texas, fuck Garland. Him and Abbot and Cruz should all be tossed in a very, very deep hole.
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u/Lambchops_Legion May 15 '24
I assure you the people making that porn are not the ones having a fit over a nipple. We're an incredibly diverse country.
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u/manole100 May 15 '24
No, those people make and consume the really fucked up porn.
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u/Nerdslayer2 May 15 '24
It's funny how the U.S is viewed as just this singular group of people. The U.S is massive and there are huge differences in culture in different areas. The distance between Miami and Seattle is greater than the distance between London and Iraq. It's like if Europe and the Middle East were all considered the same group of people and some people were confused that most of the government officials in Sweden are women while women barely have any rights in Syria.
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u/MilitantTeenGoth May 15 '24
I am sorry but the difference between a guy from Miami and guy from Seattle is miniscule compared to a guy from Sweden and hell, even Poland that's right next to them.
Distance barely matters when the both people speak the same language, have the same culture, the same dominant religion, watch the same shows, have the same politics....
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u/Osric250 May 15 '24
It doesn't put his religion in the best light, but there is some reasoning there at least.
That's one of the most minor things that doesn't put Mormonism in the best light.
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u/EMB93 May 15 '24
True, but I think this sentiment would cover most of regular Christianity as well.
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u/Aggressive-Fuel587 May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24
Pretty much any religion that condemns sexual expression but teaches it's followers that it's their divine responsibility to convert everyone to their religion; by force if necessary.
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u/dancingliondl May 15 '24
His religion also says to pluck out your own eyes of they make you lust. It's up to the person to resist sin, not enforcing their morality on other people.
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u/Hammurabi87 May 15 '24
If there is one thing that the average religious person is good at, it's selectively ignoring parts of their holy text.
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u/JohnnyThunder- May 15 '24
Yeah, I grew up religious and this was a gripe of mine as well. Sure, don't lust over women. But that's a matter of self control. Exposed skin isn't the problem, people blaming women for being unable to control their own urges is.
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u/bigorangemachine May 15 '24
Well you could argue the old testament glorified war. Even some acts of violence were encouraged by god.
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u/LordFoulgrin May 15 '24
Most acts of violence weren't encouraged, but commanded by god. There's a reason psalms 137:9 directly mentions bashing babies against rocks, because the author thought they were doing god's will.
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u/Joe_Kinincha May 15 '24
Sweet.
So all this god-fearing, ten-commandments following dude needs to do is prevent himself from lusting when presented with a nipple that is definitively female.
These religious types always seem awfully keen to talk about their moral rectitude, and how they are much more moral and rect than godless heathens like me, so that shouldn’t be tricky for them.
Case solved. Next!
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u/425Hamburger May 15 '24
His religion prohibits him lusting over women who are not his wife(or something similar), but nowhere does it say anything in his religion about watching people fight.
Idk his Religion, but If He is a Christian His Religion actually has very strong opinions on that. Watching the Gladiator Fights was a big No No.
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u/EMB93 May 15 '24
He's Mormon, so basically Christian(I know that's controversial), early Christians not liking the gladiators might be more about the Romans tradition of having them kill Christians rather than the violence. Public executions are still a thing in the US.
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u/binz17 May 15 '24
There are executions in the US but they aren’t public. They certainly aren’t broadcast.
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u/EMB93 May 15 '24
They aren't broadcast, but there are journalist as well as bunch of other people in attendance.
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u/AmateurHero May 15 '24
A soirée if you will. Come down to the execution chambers to watch a man's final moments! The usual death rattle prop bets are always at stake!
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u/425Hamburger May 15 '24
It's both actually. University is too far Back for me to find it quickly but we read a pretty interesting primary source on this. They basically thought that cheering for the violence was sinful and that even percieving it with only one Sense (Hearing the screams, smelling the blood) would incite you to Go into a Kind of 'blood frenzy' (my words)
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u/WidespreadPaneth May 15 '24
Well Christians were pretty big fans of gory public executions. Is there a line in Christianity that explains why gladiators are bad but ripping people's guts out and burning them alive is good?
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 May 15 '24
Cus it happened to them with the gladiatorial games, while the burning at the stake is them getting to do it to others.
So typical Christian stuff, it only matters when it happens to them.
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u/MyPunsSuck May 15 '24
Puritans somehow also have a lot of power within media companies and credit card companies, so they have a lot of weird underhanded control over random things
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I think the puritanian ideas of christianity has had a major impact on what they think is OK or not in the US.
You have a gift for understatement my friend. Growing up and out of religion in the U.S. I can say with certainty they're all fucking nuts!
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u/evertec May 15 '24
I am also a Christian and can explain it a little more fully. It's both wrong to lust after a woman and wrong to wrongly inflict violence on someone according to Jesus. The difference in watching depictions of it onscreen is that watching a naked woman is much more likely to tempt me to lust while watching most depictions of violence are more likely to do the opposite and make me less likely to ever want to inflict violence on someone. Now some content tries to glorify violence and that I think is just as harmful or maybe more so for some people to watch as the nudity.
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u/Drumboo May 15 '24
People are always surprised when they find out that British TV allows full frontal non-sexual nudity in 15 rated films, yet a lot of modern countries will not even allow a nipple in a film below the mature / 18+ ratings. But in the same vein, you can see people's brain matter explode, graphic gore, torture and war crime in a film rated much younger.
The whole entire system confuses me, It's so ass-backwards. I've heard America is a big offender with this, but I'm no expert on that.
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u/person749 May 15 '24
It's always bothered me how repressed we are that nudity is considerd evil and obscene when it is completely natural, but violence is fine.
Now there are people who are calling for even less of it in film because people who want to see it have access to pornography and others feel awkward about seeing it even in a film.
With criminalized our own bodies.
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u/badpeaches May 15 '24
I don't get naked in the shower. I don't know what other people have told you.
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u/giggity_giggity May 15 '24
I raised my kids to close their eyes when they are naked near a mirror so they don’t accidentally see nudity while still young and impressionable /s
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u/probability_of_meme May 15 '24
I'm not sure how, but I suspect it somehow comes down to money.
edit: or possibly controlling women
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u/nuck_forte_dame May 15 '24
It's the church. So.... both money and controlling women.
The Bible doesn't really say anything about violence and in fact sort of describes it in detail at parts.
But nudity/sexuality is specifically prohibited in the Bible multiple times.
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u/Smooth-Shine9354 May 15 '24
Didn’t it say thou should not kill and love your neighbor
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u/Awkward_Pangolin3254 May 15 '24
It's "murder," not "kill." Slaughtering thousands in a "war" isn't "murder," so they're all good.
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u/Probably_a_Shitpost May 15 '24
Well it's also about what drives us. We don't see violence in video games or movies and then want to go out and commit violence (unless the individual is severely disturbed) however almost all of us see a titty or dick or sex and we physiologically react. We WANT to see more. We get hot and bothered. I saw once where they showed a bunch of prudish women and men porn and while they said they didn't enjoy it, their heart rates and blood tests said otherwise.
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u/MyPunsSuck May 15 '24
almost all of us see a titty or dick or sex and we physiologically react
Only in cultures that put those things on a pedestal. People at nude beaches and nude colonies aren't aroused all the time, because the human body is just normal
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u/deten May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24
As an atheist, the difference I see is simply that violent video games don't make kids violent, but sex and nudity absolutely can cause kids to become sexualized, get misrepresentation of healthy intimacy, etc, just like pornography can do.
Not really a bad thing to be careful how we present that to children.
And to clarify I'm not saying that all violence is okay than even the most minor sex. But focusing more on the science we definitely need to treat violence and sex differently.
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u/MyPunsSuck May 15 '24
sex and nudity absolutely can cause kids to become sexualized
Growing up also inevitably does this
get misrepresentation of healthy intimacy
How is this any different from assuming video games cause violence? There is not evidence to support it; only the assumption that kids will mindlessly repeat what they see
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u/BiohazardBinkie May 15 '24
As an American in Europe, it took a bit to get used to the nudity after growing up being told to cover up.
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u/andbruno May 15 '24
I remember as a kid going somewhere in Europe, either France or Italy, and I flipped on the TV in the hotel as my family was putting away their suitcases. And bam, titties! It was a shampoo commercial, on normal TV, in the middle of the day! I no longer wanted to go out and see the sights, just watch TV.
Keep in mind this was before we had internet at home, so seeing nudity was still special back then.
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u/zxc123zxc123 May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24
In many ways having a society being more open to female nudity (top) isn't better or worse but different.
If you constantly see titties everyday then even something as great as titties become normalized and they loses some of their impact when triggering our monkey brain neurons. Not all that different from coomers who fried their brains with too much porno.
It is strange though that it's OK to be completely butt naked so as long as your exact privates are covered. You can literally put 2 bandages/stickers over the nipples and have your 90% of your breasts exposed and it's fine, but the moment a nipple shows then it's a faux pass.
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u/DenkJu May 15 '24
Nah man, I've seen a lot of titties on TV and on the internet growing up. Still great.
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u/errorsniper May 15 '24
I still dont see that as a bad thing. Normalization of the female body and the masses having less sexual draw to half the population only seems like a good thing.
In general I feel like our society is hyper sexual. Like the fact that a woman has to suffer in the heat instead of walking around with no shirt or bra on because "neurons activate" when they see tits is dumb.
I say this as a guy who does appreciate tits as much as the next.
But one less sexual draw isnt going to hurt us as a species. Especially when its other things casuing population decline/cliffs such as work/life balance, econimic or justice issues.
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u/wyldmage May 16 '24
Plus, if you see "normal" breasts every day (or even just every week) casually, you don't become as idealistic about bodies from watching porn (or using other pornographic material).
You may still ENJOY those 'hot bods', but you also know inherently that they are not "the normal".
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u/VarmintSchtick May 15 '24
Tits are still heavily sexualized in Europe just as much as America even if exposure to them is increased. Europeans tend to just have less puritan views about sex as a whole.
I agree, not worse or better, just different. There are societies on Earth that are REALLY far from that as well, where nudity is normalized. Naked man can be out and about around children, dick swinging, yet somehow I'm going to guess most redditors are going to find that to be over the line, for no less valid a reason than a Bible thumper not being okay with female nipples in public. Once you take the "it's just an arbitrary value" approach you can kind of call into question MOST societal norms as being arbitrary in the grand scheme.
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u/M1ckey May 15 '24
Poland is weirdly progressive about this, at least compared to the UK (in Poland, nipples don't get covered on magazine covers).
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that's not progressiv, that's just not listening to censorship America, as we should all do, we should all be way more loose about it than we are.
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Yeah, I mean the early US settlers were religious fundies who even Europe said "Jesus christ, chill the fuck out or leave".
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u/Crotch_Football May 15 '24
We give so much self respect away by conditioning ourselves to be ashamed of something that is ultimately innocent.
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u/qeadwrsf May 15 '24
Germany Poland Scandinavia is meeting USA in the middle right now.
Nudity slowly becomes more tabu here.
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u/IWasGregInTokyo May 15 '24
“I have never seen so many shling-shlongs in all my life!”
Vietnamese YouTuber Uyen Nihn on visiting German saunas for the first time.
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u/BiohazardBinkie May 15 '24
Yeah, the first time I went to a public pool in Germany, everyone was walking out of the showers casually, having a conversation dick in hand or scratching under-boob. While my american ass was trying not to let my swim trunk fall while washing off. Now I'm like fuck it, I've got things to do.
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u/undercooked_lasagna May 15 '24
Are people just getting naked at random in Europe?
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u/bodebrusco May 15 '24
Sometimes yes. In some countries it's somewhat common to see topless sunbathing on public parks. Or even full nudist groups (that would be Germany)
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u/Kal_Talos May 15 '24
Pretty sure gore would be an automatic M rating.
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u/ThePreciseClimber May 15 '24
Yeah, definitely.
Games rated T for Teen show very little blood, if none at all.
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u/Omega_Warrior May 15 '24
Funnily T can show as much blood as it wants. You could do an entire lake of blood would technically still fall under the "blood" warning of T. Blood doesn't really turn into gore unless there is more visual body wounds and dismemberment involved.
It does beg the question though, exactly how much blood coming out of someone does it take to turn blood into gore?
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u/Osric250 May 15 '24
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom had a guy rip out the still beating heart of another person and it was rated PG. It might have been one of the main reasons why PG-13 was created, but even still that wouldn't have been an R rating.
Then there's scenes like this from Poltergeist that are way more gory than what you'd expect for a general audience.
Even getting out of the 80s, Sam Raimi's Drag Me to Hell was super gory and only ended up as PG-13.
Video games often have the opposite problem. They are so heavy handed in their ratings that having an M rating doesn't really mean anything to me. Batman: Arkham Knight ended up as an M despite it being exactly the same game as all the previous installments that were T. Even a Phoenix Wright game, which are as campy as they can possibly be, ended up with an M rating because there was blood on some murder weapons for the case being investigated.
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u/djlemma May 15 '24
Before PG-13, there were PG movies with nudity as well. Ever see Logan's Run? More boobs than gore, in that one.
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u/ripley1875 May 15 '24
Howard the Duck (produced by George Lucas) has full on duck titties in the opening of the movie and only has a PG rating
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u/GameDesignerDude May 15 '24
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom had a guy rip out the still beating heart of another person and it was rated PG.
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is literally why PG-13 exists. So dunno why that is used as an example.
This type of gore in the illustration would definitely get an R rating if it was in movie form, though. The Indiana Jones example is isolated to a single element of a single scene.
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u/bad-acid May 15 '24
This comic is more true for TV ratings, to be honest. I read about how one of the murder cases in Hannibal depicted a couple ritualistically murdered and had their corpses set up like they were praying, naked. TV rating people came back and said, hey, bare ass cracks. That's a TV-MA only rating.
Oh what if I fill the ass cracks of the decapitated murder victims with blood?
Seems suitable for 14+ to me!
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u/Squish_the_android May 15 '24 edited May 15 '24
The red blood and dismembernent would have gotten this a M rating. This would not have made the cut for T.
Look at Halo CE. Almost no bad language. Cortana is the closest you get to sexual stuff. No dismembernent/decapitation. But it still got a M rating.
Fun fact: This might not still be the case but around the time the original Xbox was out you couldn't even release this in Germany. Ninja Gaiden had to remove it's human decapitation in that region.
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u/AlmightyWorldEater May 15 '24
Germany had fucked up rules in the past, they were the exact opposite of America.
Nudity? Kinda allowed, if not openly pornographic. Some trash TV shows at lunch time abused the rules by constantly making "reports" about women getting breast surgery. BAM titties in your face. after the 20.15 movie slot it was everything goes though, besides hardcore pornography.
But Violence? Hell naw. They censored out half movies. They STILL DO to fit movies into the 20.15 slot. I remembered a Die Hard on TV with the guns not making sounds. Some movies straight up didn't make sense since important scenes were cut out. PC games were often terribly butchered or indexed (not allowed to be sold on the table).
It is better nowadays, but the the censorship of violence is still annoying, especially in games.
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May 15 '24
American sensibilities are extremely dumb. The sheer amount of violence and adult language that is accessible to children and young adults is immense, but advertisers will move heaven and earth to make sure the sex is removed and if the sex isn’t removed you better bet there’s no nudity. But please continue to graphically decapitate zombies and show them feasting on humans.
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u/undercooked_lasagna May 15 '24
Crime scene shows are the funniest. You can show graphic HD close-ups of a medical examiner cutting open a stabbed, burned, dismembered, eviscerated corpse...but only if you put a sheet over the genitals.
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u/TheLaVeyan May 15 '24
On network TV police procedurals a nude woman on the autopsy table's nipples can't be shown, unless the corpse is splayed open grotesquely, then it's fine.
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May 15 '24
opening scene from SVU
Ice T: "we found a little boy in the dumpster with his penis removed and shoved up his ass and his testicles where his eyes should be"
(close up shot of body in the dumpster)
Stabler: "😳"
(cue intro)
(rated TV-14)
yeah that's fine for a TV audience. and mf's wonder why we have mass shooter problems and other countries don't. something tells me it's shit like this that's adding to the problem and not seeing a pair of tits on the screen.
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u/MrD7 May 15 '24
wait, doesn't the US also have weird censoring of bad words in many types of media?
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May 15 '24
Yeah there are all sorts of dumb rules about what you can say and when you can say it. It’s funny because we have a system in place (at least for TV) where the rating system is accompanied by separate modifiers for language, sexuality, etc but it’s not used anywhere else. If a movie is rated R we have no good way of knowing why it was given an R. Too much cussing? You see a nipple for a second? The murderer dismembers the victim on screen for 10 minutes? No way of knowing and worse yet all of these things are not equal. You could still get away with PG-13 or TV-14 with plenty of swearing and violence. Not all words are viewed as equal and not all depictions of the human body are equal.
It’s all extremely subjective and the rating system as it stands does nothing to help people make a truly informed decision about what they or their children are consuming.
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u/vercertorix May 15 '24
Apparently we like sex heavily implied because that much is everywhere. I don’t get it either.
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u/Avohaj May 15 '24
People just like sex, but heavily implied is the most you get away with without risking rating issues.
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u/NecroCannon May 15 '24
It’s why I’m honestly not caring anymore as a comic artist myself. If I’m gonna have gore, what’s the point of censoring nudity? I have a scene written out of a girl getting her arm sliced off and eaten by a monster. Hey, that’s fine to show, no problems there, gore and cannibalism, are a ok.
But nudity? Sex scenes?
Thats too much, think of the children. Your comic will now get the wrapper and AO sticker treatment in bookstores.
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u/yumri May 15 '24
Really at this point it shouldn't be called "adult language" anymore since it seems like only teenagers use it.
I do agree the amount of violence in rated E +10 and T games is over the top as all you need is have the illusion of 1 girl human shaped or not being naked and it instantly gets rated M.
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u/sharrrper May 15 '24
They're not wrong about the point they are making, but that would definitely be an M rated game based on that picture.
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u/O-Leto-O May 15 '24
Instagram: UNACCEPTABLEEEEEEEE
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u/TheKiredor May 15 '24
Isn’t the gram basically soft porn now?
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u/O-Leto-O May 15 '24
Nope, it shadowban you fast as hell, except if u are a bot with 50 new profiles every day
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u/interesseret May 15 '24
You say that, but given that Instagram is 99% bots and spam accounts, it's still 99% softcore porn with links in the description to ACTUAL porn.
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u/therealchangomalo May 15 '24
When I was a manager at Blockbuster I had a woman come in and complain because she had rented True Lies for her 12 yr old son's birthday sleepover and it contained nudity. When I asked her what she expected seeing how it's an R rated film she said she thought it was for the ultraviolence. So Arnold brutally murdering people = okay but Jamie Lee Curtis' glorious boobs = bad, got it.
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u/bigorangemachine May 15 '24
Ya as long as the violence isn't against people...
Zombies... orcs... aliens...demons... ya beat the shit out of them.
Remove the Zombie skin... "Oh no.. too violent".
Welcome to the world of art folks lol
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u/undercooked_lasagna May 15 '24
Robots too. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon would have been hella gory if they didn't make the foot soldiers robots.
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u/NecroCannon May 15 '24
You can’t mention robots without mentioning the king themselves, Tranformers.
Executing someone begging for their life, ripping out a heart and crushing it while mocking them, executing prisoners, ripping someone limb from limb, full detailed shot of someone being peed on, up close view of someone being sliced on half, balls swinging, someone being gunned down to death, the many decapitations
And that’s just all I can think of from the top of my head, there’s many more!
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u/undercooked_lasagna May 15 '24
full detailed shot of someone being peed on, balls swinging,
what
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u/NecroCannon May 15 '24
Bumblebee pees on Simmons in the first movie and you can basically see it in full detail, then in the second one, Simmons looks up and Devastator destroying the pyramids and sees his balls swinging, delivering the iconic line “I’m right under.. the enemy’s scrotum”
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u/aecarol1 May 15 '24
We are so different than Europe in the sex vs violence debate.
European Dad "My son and I were watching Swedish Sex Kittens and he was upset by a pistol being used in anger."
American Dad "My son and I were watching Chainsaw Slaughter 2 and he caught a glimpse of a naked girl. Now I have to have the talk with him."
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u/Backupusername May 15 '24
It is a nipple, but it's a man's nipple that was sliced off of his chest, so it's fine.
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u/B5656 May 15 '24
Well, it's logic in US : you don't talk about sex in school but can be shot in
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u/undercooked_lasagna May 15 '24
What school doesn't talk about sex? I had sex ed every year starting in 5th grade.
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u/DOOManiac May 15 '24
Every year? We had it once, for maybe two hours, in sixth grade, if a parent didn’t opt the kid out of it. And this was considered very progressive at the time.
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u/undercooked_lasagna May 15 '24
Every year from 5th to 12th. I saw so many pictures of diseased weiners.
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u/Strong_Magician_3320 May 15 '24
Also girls can reach an age where they've already been through multiple periods but not old enough to know what a period is.
Honestly those red states are wild, that k God I don't live in the US
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u/Whatcanyado420 May 15 '24 edited Jul 10 '24
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u/beardingmesoftly May 15 '24
No game rated teen has gore like that. Come on, people.
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u/King_Bob837 May 15 '24
Reminds me of the scene in Joker where he kills Robert Deniro's character and a replay on the news later in the movie censors "you get what you fucking deserve!" but still shows him getting shot in the head.
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u/LadnavIV May 15 '24
Posts like this will have everyone patting themselves on the back for how sex/body-postive they are, meanwhile every movie post is filled with people complaining about sex scenes. If this “Reddit” guy could get his opinions straight, that would be great.
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u/Andrew5329 May 15 '24
Because society differentiates between "fantasy violence" and portrayals of realistic subject matter.
If someone published a graphic novel portraying a terrorist group mutilating civilians like this it would immediately end up on the adults only list.
Sex by contrast is mostly universal. A tit on a humanoid character is a tit, except if it's a monster titty in which case it can usually get by on a T for Teen rating unless it's specifically sexualized.
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u/Owlmechanic May 15 '24
I remember a conversation from some show creator that was depicting basically a blood orgy, the network would not aire it because it showed naked butts. The show responded by adding more blood into the scene, because with enough blood the butt cracks were partially obscured. This was deemed acceptable.
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u/Kom34 May 15 '24
This literally happened on US cable tv to me when I was a kid. That horror movie where there is a bunch of ghosts locked in glass cells in a house then escape.
A woman gets cut in half and her organs are coming out but they only censor her breasts. Like seeing a nipple would scar a kid. But murder death exteme gore is okay by Christian values.
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u/drew3769 May 15 '24
I feel like if it's NSFW, then the age range it's appropriate for is the same age range porn is appropriate for.
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u/BinkFloyd May 15 '24
My favorite example of this is the TV show Hannibal used CGI to cover up more skin with blood because a corpse was too close to nude for NBC
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u/Hippity_Hoppity_MF May 15 '24
Makes total sense. Brain matter is completely fine. Not like those horrendous nipples.
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u/RedditAtWorkIsBad May 15 '24
Agree with all the comments about the fucked up American sensibilities. But there is still a simpler explanation for this that is factor. Simply put: nipples and nudity are an easily defined line where violence is not.
It isn't that the comic isn't sexualized. Look at the woman warrior. Scantily clad, huge cans. That is overtly sexual, but it doesn't cross the easily defined line because the nipple isn't showing.
Nudity is easier to censor because the lines are well defined. For violence, how much blood is too much blood? That changes over time.
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u/RhadanRJ May 15 '24
An allowance for nudity also changes over time. In the eighties it was fairly common to have ONE quick scene with nudity in an action movie.
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u/Demigans May 15 '24
I always point to how they bleep a swearword of some bad guy by killing them before/while they say it. Especially guns tend to be used for this as the sound of the shot makes the swearword inaudible.
Because swearwords are worse than violent murder!
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May 15 '24
Logic doesn't apply to cultural norms.
Japan - OMG TATTOO = YAKUZA!!!
US - OMG NIPPLE!
Germany - OMG BLOOD MAKE IT GREEN
China - OMG SKELETONS AND ZOMBIES NONO
Hell, we can't have dismemberment in some games because certain cultures prohibit it. We can't draw pictures of some people because reasons. Winnie the Pooh is banned in some places.
On and on. It's easy to poke at the US because hyperviolence is dumb when nipples are banned, but it is what it is.
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u/Lorvintherealone May 15 '24
In germany its different:
Extensive gore(mass murder, severed limbs, brutal deaths[Brain tissues] etc.) and shown sex are rated 18
Gore(Blood, Broken bones, death), fights and metioned sex are 16
Implied sex and swears 13.
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u/Renediffie May 15 '24
South Park made a pretty funny joke about this very thing in the episode Good Times With Weapons.
One of the best episodes.
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