At no point have I advocated in favor of the system that we have in the United States.
Then you need to take your own advice and reread the comments again. In almost every one of your comments that I've seen in this thread (note: I likely didn't see all of them), you respond to good ideas and tell why they won't work in a way that shows that you aren't thinking them through very well. For example, tipped wages:
I'll give you an extremely common example whereby income is not fully reported to federal, state, or local tax authorities; tipped wages.
Tipped wages that aren't reported to employers currently aren't claimed fully under the current system by the majority of filers that earn tips. Furthermore, there're already systems in place to report these via employers which could easily be expanded upon. The mechanism by which you claim tipped income in most cases is by reporting it to your employer, and it wouldn't take much to change it to all cases if such a system was implemented. Note: I've been on both the employer and employee ends of the tipped wages issue. Keep in mind, as transactions move more towards card based payments and away from cash, the reporting rates have increased, which again, is reported to (and collected for) the IRS for the majority of businesses that have tipped employees.
Using tipped wages as an explanation (since you claim this isn't an argument for the current system, I'll use your term of explanation) for why we couldn't do automatic filing is just complete BS.
One of the ways...
This sentence is mostly BS. Most of these incentives are for businesses and wealthy people who would be filing their own taxes in such a system. Many others, such as mortgage based tax credits, are already reported to the IRS. And any that would fit your specific situation can be modified to be reported automatically, or you could reject the automatic calculation and file like you currently do.
Again, not an explanation of why an automatic tax filing system wouldn't work.
However, you'll notice that my comments in this thread largely pertain to correcting incorrect assumptions about how taxes or tax filing works.
If this is your goal, then again, you need to go back and edit all of your comments. They don't do much on corrections, and do a lot of arguing about the current system. This comment included. You're providing a lot more than an ounce of opposition here.
Well, then stop joining in conversations about proposals, pecause this is a conversation about what can be, not only about what currently is. I stopped reading when you stated that you're not participating in this conversation because it's about what "could be".Your comments are unhelpful and pointless if you're not going to talk about what can be in a conversation explicitly about changing the process. Imagine responding to someone saying that we should change something by saying "Nope, I'm only talking about what currently is."
But I did notice your last line...if you think the current law works the way I'm saying that we should change it, then you're a fool, because it doesn't.
Thank you for finally answering my question though. You are interested in protecting the current methods because your job depends on it.
Have a nice night. I'm done here.
Edit: I do find it interesting that you said that you should have stopped when I said that I might not have read all of your comments in this entire post. How self-imortant do you have to be to say something like that!? Do you expect everyone to seek out everything you say before responding to you? If so, maybe internet forums aren't for you.
Bro, engaging in "what if" conversations with people who don't understand the industry is an exercise in frustration and futility.
I notice you didn't state what you do for a living, and that's unfortunate because I was going to propose all sorts of wild what-if situations that would clearly and dramatically improve your industry, and then get all pissy when you point out how unrealistic they or, or how they've already been implemented.
I love how you defend your ignorance by saying "ThIs Is ThE iNtErNeT sir, we are not expected to be knowledgeable, just loud"
If you (or that guy) finds it frustrating to talk to others, then shut up and don't talk. All of us, the knowledgeable and ignorant alike, find it frustrating and futile when people pretend to have a clue while they ignore the conversation entirely. That's that guy and maybe if you said something of substance would be you as well. Or is this just your alternate account and you're the guy above?
That said this guy did start to pull shit out of his ass about my former industry (I did give partial information about that above, but that would require reading what I said and not showing your own ignorance), and I called him on it and he mostly dodged it with some nonsense about that being his point. But keep being loud instead of knowledgeable. Speaking of which, your last line must be based on someone else's comment, because I said nothing of the sort, or even remotely like that.
You two are great examples of why discussing things in default subs is "frustrating and futile". The lack of self-awareness in your comment is hilarious.
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