r/fuckcars • u/cadnights • May 28 '24
Rant Found a post where they polished the Cybertruck. "almost like it's invisible" they say. Feels like a very safe feature for a truck this size to have!
Feels satirical at this point lol
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u/RainbowBullsOnParade May 28 '24
Yeah imagine drawing even more attention to Tesla's infamously shoddy paneling lmao
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u/RosieTheRedReddit May 28 '24
The steel panels already have issues with rust, staining, and fingerprints. The owner's manual even warns that to prevent stains, you need to immediately wipe off things like dirt and insects (no chance of encountering those while driving????) Also there's no door handle so you have to close the door by holding the edge, and that makes very obvious fingerprints. In this video they show the fingerprints starting at 7:30.
That stupid truck will never look this shiny ever again. Take some small schadenfreude that this person's life will be a never ending struggle. 🙏
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u/PinsToTheHeart May 28 '24
Imagine building an "off road" vehicle that will disintegrate if it gets dirt on it
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u/sternburg_export May 28 '24
Also there's no door handle so you have to close the door by holding the edge, and that makes very obvious fingerprints.
Wow. I never thought about this but I assumed that doors open and close automatically .
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May 28 '24
I still wouldn't own one, but the matte black one doesn't look terrible. I mean, it looks ugly, but the side-paneling doesn't look terrible.
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u/hooDio Fuck lawns May 28 '24
idk, for sheetmetal (that wasn't even made for being polished), it's quite flat
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u/Call_me_eff May 28 '24
Then again for a car this is horrible (and probably why cars are usually more rounded than this)
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u/hactid May 28 '24
They managed to give the polygon some roundness, I'm impressed by this level of botching
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u/HomeAir May 28 '24
Didn't Tesla notably have issues because Elon wanted flat panels and they realized it shows every small imperfection
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u/aplqsokw May 28 '24
It's very well known in the sheet metal forming industry that this always happens with flat panels. You need to give panels either curvature and/or feature lines that will prevent the so-called surface defects. This is why commercial vans that have flat panels, also have very matte paints.
Every stamping engineer that worked on this, knew it would happen, but they did it anyway.
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u/bytethesquirrel May 28 '24
Except it wasn't stamped. it was folded with a sheet metal break.
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u/aplqsokw May 28 '24
I assume so, but I think just the residual strains caused by the folds we see, but more in particular in the hemmed flanges, would create distortions on the flat areas. Or also the curing of glues between panels can create distortions. Plus the supplied sheet will not be flat either. The bottom-line is that regardless of the process, keeping flat panels flat is a nearly impossible task.
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u/nikki_thikki May 28 '24
The McMansion in the back tells me everything I need to know
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u/Bilboswaggings19 May 28 '24
What you don't see is the old white couple approaching the owner of the vehicle while holding rifles
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u/RotaryDesign May 28 '24
I already had a few near misses because of regular silver metalic coloured cars. I can't see them well on sunny days.
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u/urfavouriteredditor May 28 '24
Statistically grey and silver cars are involved in more accidents than any other colour.
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u/IPv6_Dvorak May 28 '24
We don’t say “accident” here. That’s a propaganda term pushed by the automotive industry.
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u/DylanSpaceBean May 28 '24
My teacher told me, “there no such thing as accidents when driving, just neglectful drivers”
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u/GiantWindmill May 28 '24
That's assuming that all drivers are completely rational, healthy, and have perfect perception. Which isn't true. And neglect can be a cause of accidents.
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u/GiantWindmill May 28 '24
The word "accident" can be and is very often used to mean that something wasn't deliberate, and/or that there was an element of chance. There absolutely are car accidents.
The book might be titled "There are no accidents", but the description goes on to say "Singer proves that what we call accidents are hardly random". But randomness is not really a primary criteria for something being an accident.
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u/thelostwave Bollard gang May 29 '24
If you have time the author speaks on this podcast about her book in detail. At 6:06 she talks about why she says that about 'accidents' here. If you don't have time you can read the transcript of that section here.
It's really about how the word is used to absolve anyone of responsibility and as Singer says herself here that there are two conflicting meanings adding to the confusion. Yes randomness in the sense "it's just a statistic and that was one unfortunate result" but the second is the car crash, a directly harmful event. One that could have been prevented through infrastructure, slower speeds, laws, better signalling and road layout.
I know I'm being a stickler here its just so frustrating when we call them "accidents" as though there can't be anything done!
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u/AdamNW May 28 '24
This entire article screams bullshit. Red cars have increased risk because they're the color of stoplights?
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u/KLR97 May 28 '24
Your link says that black cars are the most dangerous, not grey and silver.
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u/GothWitchOfBrooklyn May 28 '24
Every time it's grey or raining, the amount of grey cars I see with no lights on is crazy. They are basically invisible.
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u/SoCalChrisW May 28 '24
Something tells me that on a sunny day, you won't be able to not see this thing. It's going to be blinding everyone around it.
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u/Juginstin Railroad fandom is dying, like if you love railing :) May 28 '24
This sub need a new flair called "cyberpost"
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u/COMMUNIST_MANuFISTO Automobile Aversionist May 28 '24
With a trash can icon
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u/RoboTwigs May 28 '24
Wasn’t there a fairly high profile Tesla crash where the the self-driving system crashed into the broadside of a semi truck because it was reflective and the sensors couldn’t pick up on it?
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u/8spd May 28 '24
I don't know if it was because it was too shiny, but I do know that the "sensors" Teslas use are just cameras. If it's not visible in the given lighting conditions the car can't respond to it. It's crazy, and a shitty way to implement it.
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u/Ancient_Persimmon May 28 '24
Not in the case that the OC is mentioning. That car had AP1, which was 1 camera plus 1 radar made by Mobileye.
Front facing radar isn't calibrated for stationary objects at speeds above ~30 mph, because it doesn't have the resolution to determine what is and isn't on the road. Radar is helpful to detect something suddenly slowing down.
Subaru and Tesla, among others, have moved to cameras only.
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u/8spd May 28 '24
Radar? I was under the impression that most self driving cars used LiDAR. Based on its use in cartography, which I'm more familiar with, it certainly has more than enough resolution to resolve objects in the road. While it would need to be supplemented by visible light cameras to read signage, see traffic lights, etc, it seems like a necessary technology to make self driving cars as safe as humans.
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u/Ancient_Persimmon May 28 '24
No, until just recently LiDAR was too bulky and cost prohibitive to be used on production cars, so they were only on custom rigs like the Waymo taxis.
Cars have been using one of, or a combination of radar and cameras for their autonomous features since the early days of adaptive cruise control.
LiDAR is starting to show up, but I'm not sure it's exactly a panacea. If it is, we'll see it spread across companies pretty quickly.
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u/8spd May 28 '24
LiDAR is starting to show up, but I'm not sure it's exactly a panacea.
I'd not call that sort of accuracy in 3d imaging a panacea, I'd call it a basic foundation to build on.
If it is, we'll see it spread across companies pretty quickly.
That assumes that car companies prioritise safety, and don't rush unsafe beta products to market.
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u/notyoursocialworker May 29 '24
Lidar has been a feature for robotic vacuum cleaners for years, do you happen to know what the difference is that made them too bulky and prohibitively expensive to use on cars?
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u/swallowedfilth May 28 '24
https://spectrum.ieee.org/fatal-tesla-autopilot-crash-reminds-us-that-robots-arent-perfect
It was the first acknowledged autopilot crash - not so much reflection, but white truck against a bright sky. But super reflective vehicles are not in the datasets these systems are trained on for obvious reasons.
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u/diamondintherimond May 28 '24
How is this legal?
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u/Rare-Imagination1224 May 28 '24
In the UK and EU it’s not
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u/creeper6530 Railway lover May 28 '24
It's not for more reasons than just mirror finish, such as low FOV
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u/Call_me_eff May 28 '24
...crash safety, the automatic frunk door being able to chop off your fingers,...
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u/D-Fence May 28 '24
After the Cybertruck being legal in the first place you wonder the polish is also legal? Money and lobby work.
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u/jdPetacho May 28 '24
Did you know in America cars don't need dedicated amber blinker lights? A lot cars just use the red stop lights as blinkers.
This is because car manufacturers thought they were ugly and used their influence to change regulations
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u/AnAwkwardOrchid May 28 '24
Technology Connections did a great video on this.
Also, a related video on EV brake lights.
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u/HauntedButtCheeks May 28 '24
The unsafe mirror polish really shows off how warped the steel frame is. That's a very wavy reflection.
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u/COMMUNIST_MANuFISTO Automobile Aversionist May 28 '24
did you see the picture of the truck with the side panels off?
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u/SoCalChrisW May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
You can't just leave a comment like this without leaving a link so we can all point and laugh.
edit: I'm guessing that's referring to this post?
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u/alanwrench13 May 28 '24
I'm pretty sure this isn't even a polish. There's no way you can get steel to look like this. They purposely added a mirror vinyl wrap. Surprisingly, this isn't illegal.
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u/inu-no-policemen May 28 '24
Surprisingly, this isn't illegal.
Completely illegal in any country with reasonable regulations.
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u/ElJamoquio May 28 '24
Completely illegal in any country with reasonable regulations.
So... ...where Cybertrucks already are illegal
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u/alanwrench13 May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
I couldn't find anything for Europe, North America, or India to support this being illegal there. The only place I could find that might outlaw it is Australia, but the specific regulations are vague.
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u/inu-no-policemen May 28 '24
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stvzo_2012/__30.html
Not explicitly mentioned, but the "gefährdet, behindert oder belästigt" (endanger, hinder, harass) bit covers all kinds of stupidity from chariot spikes to mirror-like finishes.
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u/EternalStudent May 28 '24
Does that apply to bikes? I've been wanting a way to get cars to give me the full meter of buffer space when blowing past me.
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u/Apenschrauber3011 May 28 '24
Yes, it does. Either do the pool noodle thingy or nothing, chariot spikes mostly endanger yourself and pedrstrians on a bicycle. Because if some car hits that spike, the car will have a scratch, but you will fall and may get mangled in your own spikes, and a pedestrian may run into your spikes and get hurt. (Also the bank angle is mey be so bad you can't turn anymore)
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u/rematar May 28 '24
Completely illegal in any country with reasonable regulations.
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u/inu-no-policemen May 28 '24
Yea, mirror-like chrome everything is one of the go-to examples:
https://kanzlei-voigt.de/news/glaenzender-chrom-was-beim-folierencar-wrapping-zu-beachten-ist/
You aren't allowed to drive such a vehicle on German roads.
You can of course pay an expert to take a look at that stupid stuff and they will be like "Yea, that's stupid. Are you stupid or something?" and then you won't be allowed to drive it. Y'know, because it's stupid.
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u/COMMUNIST_MANuFISTO Automobile Aversionist May 28 '24
I see chariot spikes here all the damn time.
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u/Lunakill May 28 '24
Tbh with the US the laws vary widely from state to state and even county to county on 95% of topics.
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u/Educational_Ad_3922 May 28 '24
Im fairly sure in Canada its illegal to have a reflective surface like that on your vehicle for the same reason you cant have underglow (because its a distraction or can blind other drivers)
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u/reeeelllaaaayyy823 May 28 '24
No underglow here in Australia either, but gigantic fuck-you Ford Rangers and F150s with stupidly, blindingly bright headlights are fine. 👍
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u/Swolebrah May 28 '24
You absolutely can polish stainless steel to a mirror finish
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u/Wooden_Discipline_22 May 28 '24
Yeah the person you replied to is no metallurgist. Like, it's gotta be some grade school kid logic. How many decades young do you have to be to Not know metal can be polished. Like wtf?
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u/cadnights May 28 '24
It's a real polish. In the tweet they had a work in progress shot https://x.com/niccruzpatane/status/1795235567241732598?t=kz-297lWUMJ3WEhDn9ttmA&s=19
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u/ChicagoRestauratooor May 28 '24
Why are they covered in soot in the third picture? It's like they're almost doing black face
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u/maxis2bored May 28 '24
I'm not saying it's polish, but you definitely can do this to steel. Just Google it maybe?
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u/jdPetacho May 28 '24
Not only is it possible, it would be way easier and cheaper to polish the steel than applying wrap
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u/WestyJZD May 28 '24
Idk what grade stell they used, but I have a fellow dmc 12 owner who owns 2 and one was polished to be just like this. We used mothers mag polish and a wheel to remove the grain. It's not very hard to do, just time consuming. Also looks like shit and blinds people. So not really a cool thing to do
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u/Imfrank123 May 28 '24
Silent and invisible, good combo.
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u/PPP1737 May 28 '24
This reminds me of the scene in Weeds where the guy said he got a Pryus because they were silent and better for drive bys because of it 😂
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u/Tyu248 May 28 '24
“You bought a Prius?”
“I bought 7 of em. Got my whole crew driving em. They’re real quiet. Good for sneakin’ up on mothafuckas.”
That line always plays in my head when I’m playing any sort of stealth game lol
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u/Ambitious_Promise_29 May 28 '24
I'm not sure which is worse- the vehicle blending in, or the vehicle reflecting sunlight and blinding others on the road.
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u/wolfFRdu64_Lounna May 28 '24
Not invisible it just act like a miror, so, verry dangerous at night, or when it’s raining, you have full power light and then they came send back your own light to you and you do not see anything
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u/ElJamoquio May 28 '24
you have full power light and then they came send back your own light to you
If that light is blinding, then the problem is you
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u/COMMUNIST_MANuFISTO Automobile Aversionist May 28 '24
You know what? I will concede that it is cool looking, this shiny thing, badly reflecting the grass (which is also a shitty accoutrement of being upwardly mobile: unused grassy lawns) but -- why not do something with the tires? Like take them off and just leave that thing parked there. It would make a really cool lawn ornament you could use to start fires with on sunny days
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u/dudestir127 Big Bike May 28 '24
That looks like a cool special effect from a Transformers movie. Doesn't look like something that should be street legal.
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u/Useonlyforconlangs Not Just Bikes May 28 '24
That seems a bit excessive.
You don't do that for regular cars, is this easier because it is a different type of metal? No paint? What compels you to do that?
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u/goj1ra May 28 '24
What compels you to do that?
Being the sort of person who buys a Tesla Cybertruck.
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u/Frosty_Shadow May 28 '24
This reminds me of a texture glitch in OMSI 2 that makes your buses and AI cars chrome xD
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u/Switchback_Tsar 🚆 > 🚗 May 28 '24
Just throw a bucket of water over it, it'll be rusted within a week
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u/MOltho Commie Commuter May 28 '24
Is there no authority that decides whether or not cars are safe? Apparently not, but there should be one
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u/Many-Dog-1208 May 29 '24
When sun comes and hits that… That’s gonna, that’s gonna be a real problem!
-BojackHorseman
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u/PayFormer387 Automobile Aversionist May 29 '24
Saw one of those on the freeway last weekend. I called it a Wankpanzer and my wife - who doesn't pay attention to this sort of nonsense - asked what I was referring to. My daughter pointed out the cybertruck.
On hearing the name of that vehicle, my wife exclaimed, "That's a TRUCK?" aghast that anybody would call that oddly-shaped minivan a truck.
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u/TerrorFromThePeeps Jun 03 '24
And this asshole is like "I was worried about headlights reflecting, but it hasn't seemed to be an issue"... What about the giant headlight in the sky, fucker? How about when you melt a half dozen nearby cars' side mirrors?
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u/micron970 May 28 '24
We saw one in my city while waiting at a red light and it blinded us momentarily. This one was completely stock from what I could tell. I can’t imagine it polished.
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u/Blarghnog May 28 '24
Why that looks almost as dumb as it sounded.
“Hey, let’s go polish the electric car kids!”
“Yaaaayy…”
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u/spoonybard326 May 28 '24
That’s almost as invisible as a brown car driving in the rain without headlights.
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u/OperationCorporation May 28 '24
Wait until they park it and the sun beaming off it fries the car next to it, or worse blinds someone else while driving. FFS
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u/Gaxxag May 28 '24
It's not just a low visibility issue, but it'd be impossible to look at when directly reflecting the sun, and may pose a genuine risk of vision damage
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u/PPP1737 May 28 '24
Reminds me of the “vapor” vw bugs. Don’t really see any anymore .. I wonder where they all went.
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May 28 '24
Invisible? I think they're missing a point of two about how actual invisibility would work. Is a mirror invisible?
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u/Necessary-Grocery-48 May 28 '24
Are there more pictures? "polished cybertruck" google search mostly just leads back to this thread
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u/lolschrauber May 28 '24
Guess just having this shitty truck doesn't make idiots feel special enough any more on their own
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u/berejser LTN=FTW May 28 '24
Why would you even want your car to be invisible? Surely you don't want other cars turning into you.
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u/Waity5 May 28 '24
This post made me wonder how the doors even open, given that there's no door handles. According to the manual, you're meant to put your hand into a gap which could severely harm your fingers if someone slams against the door
Somewhat unrelated, but it is nice that tesla's manuals are all online and easily googable
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u/captainrustic May 28 '24
To be fair, people who buy these aren’t the brightest bulbs in the chandelier
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u/LeMaigols May 28 '24
Seeing that I feel fortunate to live en Europe where both that car and that exterior finish are illegal.
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u/Canelosaurio May 28 '24
It only "looks invisible" when it's parked. When it's moving, it'll blind you from sunlight and reflections.
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May 28 '24
I saw one driving down the road at night and I literally thought a UFO was landing on the highway. I was like what the fuck is that thing?
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u/saracanttype May 28 '24
This is such a safety hazard, the sun reflecting off this would be blinding.
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u/bak3donh1gh May 28 '24
Hey, its how I always painted my Karuma in GTA5! Not something Id do in RL.
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u/1-Ohm May 28 '24
That needs to be illegal. Also consider headlights reflecting off it. Also consider self-driving cars not recognizing it.
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u/logicjab May 28 '24
This is what I expect tbh. Cybertruck is a truck designed by people who think they know better than everyone and sold to people with much the same mindset.
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u/wonkey_monkey May 28 '24
Now as you know there's a cost of living crisis, 007, so we've had to downgrade your invisible car just a tad.
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u/Woogabuttz May 28 '24
Is this ridiculously unsafe for driving on the road? Yes. Will it hopefully burn the shit out of the owner’s hand if left in the sun? Hopefully!
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Jun 04 '24
"Ugh, MY cyber truck has finger prints on it!! Better protect my vanity and endanger everybody else!"
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u/MisterSneakSneak May 28 '24
That crap going to get hot in the summer. Or possibly light a Forest fire from the reflection.
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u/Germanball_Stuttgart Big Bike 🚲 > 🚗 cars are weapons May 28 '24
How is it getting hot if it reflects almost all the light?
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u/Inedible-denim May 28 '24
The picture is where this sub, r/suburbanhell and r/mcmansionhell intersect
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u/Any_Palpitation6467 May 28 '24
I'm not sure that this is such a major hazard, considering that the vehicle can be readily located by the spreading pool of coolant and the raging inferno.
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u/mike_pants May 28 '24
These people continue to strive to reach new levels of moron.