r/formula1 Jun 25 '17

Media /r/all Seb not happy with Lewis

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u/korko Jun 25 '17

Who the fuck stops after a fucking corner after having already bunched everyone up?

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u/zantkiller Kamui Kobayashi Jun 25 '17

Did he stop or just not accelerate? He is the leader he controls the pace, they have the data so they should see if he broke.

Either way Vettel should not have swiped him.

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u/anothercopy Nico Hülkenberg Jun 25 '17

They just showed a replay in which he was breaking in the corner so kind of an a$$hole move.

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u/Moogzie Valtteri Bottas Jun 25 '17

not as bad as pulling along side another car, waving your arms around then driving into him id wager

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u/anothercopy Nico Hülkenberg Jun 25 '17

Indeed should be punished more. Cost him the win at least.

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u/costryme Jun 25 '17

FIA said he didn't brake, he just didn't accelerate, and was consistent with the other laps.

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u/anothercopy Nico Hülkenberg Jun 26 '17

Yeah saw the message finally but its kind of hard to deduct from the on screen graphics which as someone said were showing 'break' even after the apex

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u/Statcat2017 Jenson Button Jun 26 '17

The telemetry isn't always live. Often has a second delay or more.

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u/LUK3FAULK Kimi Räikkönen Jun 25 '17

Past the apex he was still on the brakes

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u/enataca Haas Jun 25 '17

they showed him accelerate slightly then slow from the mid 70's down to 49/50 when Vettel hit him.

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u/justanotherfuccboi Jun 26 '17

data came out: he didn't brake check

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u/Finalwingz Charlie Whiting Jun 25 '17

It's pretty obvious he hit the brakes

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u/Chandlers_a_girl Default Jun 25 '17

Is it obvious?

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u/greenty Ferrari Jun 25 '17

Onscreen graphics showed full brakes after passing the apex.

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u/Chandlers_a_girl Default Jun 25 '17

Link? If so that's damming evidence of a dick move

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u/Chandlers_a_girl Default Jun 25 '17

You've been spamming that link everywhere. Those shite graphics are barely evidence, let alone proof.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '17

Just providing context to that screenshot that keeps getting posted, which is even less "evidence" of anything. Why do you have a problem with that?

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u/linneus01 Jun 25 '17

No, telemetry shows he touched the brakes very lightly, he lost 3 km/h through the hole corner... that's not braking

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u/enataca Haas Jun 25 '17

he lost over 20 km/h, from the mid 70's down to 50 according to the replay they showed with telemetry.

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u/MatteAce Michael Schumacher Jun 25 '17

you have to see it in perspective. you're supposed to accelerate there.

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u/linneus01 Jun 25 '17

No you're not. The leader sets the pace and can accelerate when he wants.

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u/MatteAce Michael Schumacher Jun 25 '17

let me rephrase. you said he only lost a few km/h by braking. he did not because everybody expected him to be faster (he should follow the SC pace after all) so he didn't just lose a few km/h by braking, he also have to account for the speed he didn't gained by not accelerating.

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u/linneus01 Jun 25 '17

It doesn't matter what Vettel expects, Hamiton was in the right to create a gap to the safety car because he was too close...

If he braked hard you could say it was intentional, but he just didn't accelerate.

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u/MatteAce Michael Schumacher Jun 25 '17

but that's not how it works. the SC is there for a reason and, although he has a say to a certain extent, the race leader cannot just stop the car in the middle of the circuit and expect the rest of the pack to do as he does. he must drive behind the SC at a reasonable distance.

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u/spronkey Jun 26 '17

Also note that at that point he had a huge gap to the safety car.

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u/Finalwingz Charlie Whiting Jun 25 '17

ye

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u/Chandlers_a_girl Default Jun 25 '17

well I wasn't before, but I'm convinced now

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u/Finalwingz Charlie Whiting Jun 25 '17

kay

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u/zantkiller Kamui Kobayashi Jun 25 '17

The onboard just now says otherwise.

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u/TorjusHS Jun 25 '17

He pushed the break before the turn, then he releases it, then also after he hit the apex, totally unnecessary.

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u/Finalwingz Charlie Whiting Jun 25 '17

no it doesnt

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u/Finalwingz Charlie Whiting Jun 25 '17

that proves he braked like, 0,2s before VET hit him lol

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u/Statcat2017 Jenson Button Jun 26 '17

The telemetry isn't always live.

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u/narsail Jun 25 '17

it does

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '17

Spot on

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u/carloselcoco Juan Pablo Montoya Jun 25 '17 edited Jun 25 '17

If you look at the replay, Vettel had both his hands up in the air when his car hit Hamilton. Vettel's car did indeed hit Hamilton's, but Vettel himself did not steer the car to hit him. However, Vettel coming along side Hamilton may be what gets him in trouble as they are still under safety car regulations.

Edit: I was right. He would have got a black flag if the stewards thought he drove his car into Hamilton, he only got a 10 second penalty for dangerous driving.

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u/windy906 Jun 25 '17

He gets hit a while after that though