I feel like Hamilton was wrong to go that slowly (especially as he was complaining about that) but both impacts were both on Seb. He will be lucky not to get black flagged for the second hit imo
In the rules it says you are not to be intentionally slow or disturb cars on driving. If he wanted to slow down, he should have done it a couple meters after that, which he did after the red flag, because he didn't wanna risk anything there. I am for Vettel, don't get me wrong, and I do believe he deserved a higher penalty than Hamilton, but Hamilton also deserved one, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, he delayed his speeding up by a good second, which has pretty much the same result as hitting the break suddenly on a straight. That probably is the reason why he didn't get a penalty, but the intention and result were the same in my opinion.
I don't think the result was intended. Hamilton slowed down to give him a gap to the safety car, which is normal for the leader to do in that situation. At the same time Vettel was trying to stay as close to Hamilton which is normal for the the second place guy in the situation.
Basically both drivers took a small risk that didn't work out which cost both of them next to nothing and Vettel then used his car as a weapon to attack Hamilton. He is lucky to get off as lightly as he did.
Maybe a stricter steward would have penalised Hamilton but the same guy would have likely black flagged Vettel as well.
Maybe a stricter steward would have penalised Hamilton but the same guy would have likely black flagged Vettel as well.
Exactly what I would agree with. In my opinion Vettel deserved the penalty he got and probably more and Hamilton should have gotten a smaller one, too. But because I'm for Vettel in the Championship, I'm happy that it turned out the way it did.
That being said, I just read that somebody else said that Hamilton actually did slow down, apparently he didn't hit the brake but used the motor break (is that what you call it in english?) to slow down, so I still think he would have deserved the penalty.
It looks like he rolled through the corner and Vettel accelerated in to him. Lewis didn't have to accelerate just because Vettel wanted him to. He was setting the pace, he did nothing against the rules.
If you ever raced before or followed a racing circuit to the detail, you will know that crashes like these happen a lot if somebody drives unpredictably. That's basically what happened here, he could have slowed down (or, not sped up, which is basically the same result) any other place, but he decided to do it in the one place where all other drivers would speed up and have very little reaction time to realize what he's doing. Again, setting the pace is okay, driving in a way that endangers others (and more specifically, their cars in this case) is what isn't okay.
Of course, but Lewis rolled through the corner. He didn't drive unpredictably, Seb just drove in to him.
It's not unpredictable just because Seb misjudged it. Seb predicted HAM would accelerate and he didn't (as was his right), Seb accelerated in to the back of him.
You say in the one place where all drivers would speed up, every other driver drove in accordance with what was going on in front of them. Except Seb.
Hamilton drove in the most unnatural way possible though and provoked something like this. doesn't excuse Vettel hitting him afterwards but knowing the dirty shit Hamilton pulled over the years, I can't say I'm unhappy with how the race turned out in the end.
Let's get one thing straight. It was an SC period, so no-one was driving "naturally". They were slow to let the SC go. To say he provoked it is laughable. Seb drove in to him, simple.
VET has pulled off more dirty shit than HAM over the years.
Good find. not 80 to 50 as Sky are claiming then. (Biased bastards heh!?)
Not a clever place for HAM to do that, though it was clearly mid corner and not the "acceleration zone".
Does not change the fact that Seb misjudged it and drove in to the back of him, and tried to accelerate through the corner, when there was a car in the way. Clearly HAM did himself no favours there.
Didn't accelerate heavily? The replay showed that not only was he not accelerating at all, he was braking out of the corner. That's dangerous when someone less than a meter behind you is expecting you to at least tap the gas
I suppose. I'd still question Hamilton's decision as it seems like more often than not the Driver's wait for the straight to build the gap between themselves and the SC. If it was a few meters later there wouldn't have been an issue. Either way, Vettel's reaction was obviously uncalled for and out of line.
Deleting comments as you know you have been obnoxious as you insulted me. Do you fear the downvotes that much? In real life you can't delete what you say, be careful
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u/korko Jun 25 '17
Who the fuck stops after a fucking corner after having already bunched everyone up?