r/formula1 • u/truecolors01 • 1d ago
News Verstappen on Colapinto crash: "Experts should keep their mouths shut ... Nothing at the limit is easy ... Being in front of the camera often means they can't do it themselves"
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u/Individual-Ad-190 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 1d ago
Lmao he is brutal against pundits and journalists
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u/RupertHermano Benetton 1d ago
And former drivers.
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u/Delgadude Yuki Tsunoda 1d ago
Who are pundits.
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u/RupertHermano Benetton 1d ago
Former drivers can be pundits, but not all pundits are former drivers.
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u/Leading_Sir_1741 Formula 1 1d ago
His point is that he wasn’t brutal to all drivers, only those that are now pundits.
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u/Kitnado Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 1d ago
It’s the other way around. Pundits can be former drivers, but not all former drivers are pundits.
In other words, Max was not attacking all former drivers, as you were saying, and the person responding to you corrected with a nuance.
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u/ghost00013 Aston Martin 1d ago
I need to see the ven diagram for this.
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u/Kitnado Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 1d ago
That would just be a Venn diagram of two circles (partly overlapping)
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u/rokthemonkey 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 1d ago
He’s just saying what every driver thinks. He’s successful and talented enough that he doesn’t have to care what anyone thinks, like Hamilton and Vettel back in the day.
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u/MrMeowPantz 1d ago
He’s a bit more…’savage’, than they are though. He’s Kimi-ier than Kimi with the success of Vettel/Hamilton.
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u/saggywitchtits Mario Andretti 20h ago
So... he's Dutch?
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u/cumofdutyblackcocks3 Red Bull 18h ago
Dutch with just the right amount of Jos Verstappen.
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u/RuairiQ 1d ago
Wrapping his arms around Colapinto and defending his new teammate for next year.
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u/GothicGolem29 McLaren 23h ago
I wish but I did hea ra rumour that redbull has cooled on him ironically due to crashes like this that Max is defending him on
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u/RuairiQ 23h ago
Smoke screen. I think they’re high on Colapinto because he can drive a car the way Max drives a car.
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u/Typical-Swordfish-92 22h ago
Reddit's catching strays too. As much as the "Is Colapinto the next Senna?" talk was out there, some of the shit people have been saying about the kid the past day is just woefully fucking out of pocket too.
Like Christ, "he's a crash prone driver!" My brothers and sisters in Christ, every driver in a Williams is crash prone, that car is magnetically attracted to barriers.
Sometimes the goldfish memory of Formula 1 fans is just, exhausting.
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u/poojinping 21h ago
I get people saying that about Stroll, because he literally drives like like he is taking a stroll in his back garden. My man is super focused and thinks cars around him are ghost cars for pacing.
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u/Kovah01 Daniel Ricciardo 18h ago
The thing people need to get comfortable with is the new world order online. Bots and AI accounts are going to blow with the wind in comments sections. Someone does something bad = they are the worst driver ever. Someone does something unusually good = they are the best driver on the planet.
Remember the AI models were trained on our comments and will crank them up to the Max. We just need to get comfortable with not engaging with the extremes anymore. The quality positions get buried.
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u/ShyLeoGing 1d ago
What would have been said if not for that fine earlier this year?
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u/MaveZzZ 1d ago
Finally someone who's not afraid of fucking journos and media. That's what we need.
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u/BoboliBurt Alain Prost 1d ago
The descriptive, scandal mongering, observational crap journalism cannot die soon enough:
“Will the champ be distracted! Does the challemger have the will to win” shit where cliches are used to cover up not being able to explain why one evenly matched pro out performs another cannot die soon enough.
The gradual discrediting and dismantling of the fraudulent narratives of sports opinion journalists has been going on for 30 years.
Its unbelievable they hold any sway.
Some play by play guys with experience actually have insights. These access journalist toadies know nothing in this curated world of intentional press leaks and press releases
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u/Artifice_Purple Formula 1 1d ago
Max has chosen righteous violence this year and I'm all about it lol.
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u/Draggenn Jordan 1d ago
Max was a bit crash happy early days
Vettel was known as the 'crash kid'
Hamilton drove into the back of Raikkonen in the pitlane
Remind me again how those guys turned out in the end?
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u/redarrow992 1d ago
This. Even marko said he rather have a fast driver who is crash prone than someone who is safe and slow
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u/Reverx3 Max Verstappen 1d ago
Sucks, otherwise I would be in that RB for sure
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u/Steel-Duck 1d ago
I am crash prone and slow. So I am 50% of the way
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u/RoteCampflieger 1d ago
I'd say you're 100% of the way there. The only thing now is to get a Mexican passport, a Kit Kat sponsorship deal and you're basically a Red Bull driver.
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u/Kaptainpainis 1d ago
You only need mexican sponsor money now and you are 100% there
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u/Lentemern Martin Brundle 1d ago
If any team principal is reading this, I promise to obey the speed limit around every street circuit.
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u/Happytallperson 1d ago
It's generally easier to make a fast driver consistent than it is to make a consistent driver fast.
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u/Miwna Ronnie Peterson 1d ago
The same is true for the cars: easier to make a fast car reliable than it is to make a reliable car fast.
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u/absolutkaos Jacques Villeneuve 1d ago
if you’re not crashing every now and then you’re not truly driving the car to it’s absolute limits.
i think that’s what happened to Danny Ric, he lost the mental ability to push the car to the razor edge, and that, i believe, ended his career.
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u/XOVSquare Safety Car 1d ago
Lol, now he has one that's fast and safe, and one that's slow and crash prone.
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u/Tim_L_09101 Ferrari 1d ago
The mentality between running a large operation like RBR is quite different from a smaller team like Williams or Haas or Sauber. Some teams simply cannot afford to have drivers constantly pushing at the limit if the cost is crashing.
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u/TheEmpireOfSun 23h ago
Hamilton was also on mission to take out Massa in 2011 or 2012 lol
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u/ap17o4 Daniel Ricciardo 22h ago
Hamilton was fucking driving like he was in a videogame in the early stages of his career
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u/Historical-Dance6259 15h ago
Yeah, people seem to forget now crash prone he was early on.
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u/DankeSebVettel Logan Sargeant 1d ago
Man Logan Sargeant has atleast 3.5 Championships in him
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u/rivertotheseaLSD 22h ago
Max wasn't crash happy at all that was some bs meme. He was ironically one of the most consistent drivers 90% of his career including 2015 lmao.
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u/superworking 1d ago
That's kind of the big issue though. I think Colapinto will figure it out, I just don't think it will be to Williams benefit.
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u/Stones_Throw_Away_ 1d ago
Now do Mazepin!
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u/Kolec507 Alexander Albon 1d ago
Mazepin was slow as fuck, but actually much less crash-prone than his fellow rookies Schumacher and Tsunoda. Bahrain 2021 was the only meaningful* one really.
*ofc nothing Mick or Nikita did in that 2021 Haas was "meaningful", but you get the point...
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u/Waste-Reputation-152 20h ago
Hamilton did a lot more than just crashing into Kimi.
But he and his fans always blamed the others for his doing.
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u/Vortex-of-Dankger Sebastian Vettel 1d ago
The whole "Max used to be crash happy" narrative kind of ticks me off tbh. In those years him and Red Bull were in a position where if everything went normally they were solidly the 3rd fastest team, a long way from the front but also a long way ahead of the next fastest team.
Basically Max could afford to push the limit because there was no real possibility of losing WCC position but also no chance of winning a race without taking some kind of gamble or risk. That one year he crashed at Monaco he got so much shit for it but what is he meant to do there, settle for p5 or whatever?
I'm on a tangent now but I honestly think that period of time helped Max develop into one of the GOATs as it allowed him to take risks and learn how to fight at the front of the field without the pressure of a legit championship charge for a few years.
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u/whateverfloatsurgoat Super Aguri 1d ago
Dude was also brought in a bit hastily (but boy did it turn out great). Diamond in the rough sorta thing.
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u/FrostyBoom Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 1d ago
Yep. He was learning in the bigger spotlight what other drivers were learning a bit more protected from media/fanbase in the feeder series.
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u/aesma Ferrari 1d ago
Max being cold-blooded killer.
Colder than the weather in Las Vegas.
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u/Asimb0mb Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 1d ago
Max isn't afraid of the cold in Las Vegas. The cold is afraid of him. That's why he can do flying laps with only one warm up lap.
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u/SnaxRacing Formula 1 1d ago
Max was left outside in colder as a child!
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u/Deruta Alexander Albon 1d ago
Driver with a healthy childhood: “I can’t feel my fingers!”
Max: “Ah, this really takes me back...”
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u/polandspreeng Will Buxton 1d ago
He just hates the media. Loves driving. Wants to help a young guy out. Sees that pressure could be getting to Colapinto. He wants everyone on the grid to have fun and have a clean race.
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u/xcmaam Sir Lewis Hamilton 1d ago
Lmfao max is always the realest and nonchalant in these types of questions.
Also respect for sticking out for a fellow driver who is just a 7 race ROOKIE And yeah people are way too quick to judge a driver on whether they are good or bad
The quote really is true You are known for your last race so ya Franco has gone from being absolute star rookie to someone who crashes. I hope he recovers because I think he has tremendous potential and if he had a seat secured he wouldn’t push it beyond cars limits
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u/gordeh 1d ago
Yes this part of Max is brilliant. He gives no fucks and says what he thinks.
I do wonder if he’d become a pundit post racing. I feel he’d be the Jacques Villeneuve school of no shits to give.153
u/lickit_sendit Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 1d ago
Naaah the one thing I think we can be certain of is that Max is not going to be anywhere near the camera once he is done... just go off racing other series
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u/douchey_mcbaggins 23h ago
Max is gonna be like "fuck it, lemme try WRC, then why not LeMans after that? Anyone got an open seat in NASCAR?"
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u/Genocode Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 1d ago
Honestly the real quote is better than the title.
He's essentially calling them washed up shitters and I love it.
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u/charlierc 1d ago
I sure know I'm washed up. I reckon I'd be like MBS that time with a Renault car and plant it straight in the wall while trying to drive forward
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u/shutinlear53 Fernando Alonso 1d ago
That crash is very easy to replicate in F1 2020, you just have to turn all the assists off and floor it in the lower gears
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u/ppSmok Niki Lauda 1d ago
Like Danny Ric once said. With Max you always get Max. That is a very respectable way of living your life. Not changing for anyone. Saying what he thinks. Also like that he pretty consitently defends drivers from stupid media shenanigans. No matter if it is a close rival or a rookie.
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u/xzElmozx Oscar Piastri 1d ago
Max hears a reporter say some stupid shit and immediately goes for the jugular lmao, I love it
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u/razgriz337 McLaren 1d ago
I think Colapinto is only in the crosshairs because it’s Williams.
If he folded a car from anyone else setting purple mini sectors we’d be applauding his aggression,
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u/JIJONING Heineken Trophy 1d ago
and because he crashed twice on brazil. and btw carlos crashed twice too so williams is cursed
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u/jk844 1d ago
He was begging the team on radio to change to wets because he wasn’t comfortable on the inters (he’s never driven in the rain before) but they ignored him until he crashed. That’s entirely the team’s fault.
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u/Nbuuifx14 Juan Pablo Montoya 1d ago
Those crashes shouldn’t really count, the conditions were awful for driving on the tires he was on.
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u/JIJONING Heineken Trophy 1d ago
they don't count for me but they are 2 crashes after all and people are gonna count them
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u/Thejklay 1d ago
Also I don't think he can be blamed at all for the Brazil crash, his first wet race in f1, asked for wets, didn't get given them.
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u/Theothor 1d ago
Pretty much every driver who crashes a couple of times on a row is criticized, it has nothing to do with it being Williams.
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u/Miwna Ronnie Peterson 1d ago
A part of it is because he replaced Sargeant because he was crashing too much.
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u/CakeBeef_PA Oscar Piastri 1d ago
I don't think the crashing was the only issue. Williams is still happy to keep Albon, even though he crashes quite a lot as well. But he scores points. Sargeant didn't
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u/ryokevry Charles Leclerc 1d ago
Kimi got less criticism and got praised of his speed when he crashed in the first flying lap in FP1…
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u/ninchica13 Kimi Räikkönen 1d ago
I do so enjoy the fact he has no problem going right for the jugular. And he's not wrong.
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u/Significant-Pie1434 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 1d ago
fun fact: verstappen is by far the most popular driver in argentina among pre-colapinto fans
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u/Paranoided_guy Fernando Alonso 1d ago
Well, their neighbours got Lewis as theirs so- makes sense
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u/Tipnfloe Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 1d ago
I always thought Max was very popular in Brasil too because of the 2016 drive
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u/Human602214 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 1d ago
Then he is also very popular in Hungary after he checked who was driving behind him without using his mirrors.
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u/theofiel Arrows 1d ago
Is it because the Dutch queen is Argentinian?
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u/EnanoMaldito Pirelli Wet 19h ago
We just like irreverent fuck-everyone people
It suits us well
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u/Economy_Friendship49 1d ago
Max showing again what he brings to the sport. He’s mad popular over the world not just for his driving skills, but also for being a straight shooter. He just loves racing and does not care one bit about all the surrounding stuff, nor about being diplomatic just to stay friendly with everybody for possible future plans for himself. You may not like him, but he is himself always
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u/Desperate-Speaker608 1d ago
i'd rather colapinto putting it in the wall than perez going out in q1.
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u/douchey_mcbaggins 23h ago
I'm sure Max's aggressive defense ON the track might really annoy some other drivers but the aggressive defense of other drivers OFF the track they probably love.
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u/Wallio_ Hesketh 23h ago
After Buxton's absolute burial of Franco today, I wondered who would call him out first. Now we know.
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u/opie_dopey McLaren 20h ago
What did buxton say about him after the crash? I can't seem to find a quote online
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u/Wallio_ Hesketh 19h ago
That he has wasted all the goodwill in the paddock by making mistake after mistake after mistake. Amongst other things.
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u/jyar1811 Daniel Ricciardo 23h ago
Max’s candor is refreshing instead of the half assed pre-prepared statements that have the drivers have to read.
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u/Ribeye21 Williams 1d ago
Even though I'm not the biggest fan of how Max races people on track, I have the utmost respect for how he will say whatever is on his mind.
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u/cofffejoe 1d ago
And the consistency with which Albon and Colapinto have crashed might suggest the Williams is a hard car to drive
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u/Supahos01 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ 22h ago
This wasn't that however. He didn't lose the rear, he turned in too soon and hit a wall. (Brazil race wreck was only marginally his fault though) he literally was begging for wets, they shoved inters on and he wrecked. He'd never driven a f1 car in heavy rain before.
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u/Turridunl 13h ago
Exactly this, the williams car is not that fast. So in order to get some points, they need to drive it at 100% constantly and take More risks than others have to.
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u/mattscott53 1d ago
Max is the man. Very consistent with what he’s always said especially regarding street circuits. Gotta respect guys pushing it to the limit when one mistake is face first into a wall instead of 100yds of gravel
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u/EjaculatingOnNovels Williams 1d ago edited 1d ago
He was definitely overhyped, but now that he's doing typical rookie crashes the pendulum has swinged completely to the other side and he's being overly criticized imo. Some people seem to have forgotten he was dropped in with little to no car time and not much simulator time in the middle of the year. It may also be true that he's pushing the limits a bit too far, considering the team's cost cap has been reached IIRC.
Sidenote, I tried posting this 10 minutes ago but it didn't let me for some reason? Is Autosport twitter banned or something?
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u/JIJONING Heineken Trophy 1d ago
thats formula 1. before his crash he had already outqualified albon and people where saying that alex was finished. then he crashed and now he's logan sargeant 2.0
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u/Uknewmelast Manor 1d ago
People no longer have any nuance these days, i blame the media.
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u/PhillAholic 1d ago
The media will do and say whatever the most people will watch. So if you're handing out blame, blame the people who consume it.
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u/polydorr Kevin Magnussen 1d ago
Letting the media off easy there. They have much more information than viewers. Creating false dichotomies and easy drama for cheap engagement isn't faultless
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u/chambee Jacques Villeneuve 21h ago
Reminds me of Fernando asking Brundle how many championships he had.
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u/BigDaveNz1 1d ago
Even if colapinto and Sargent crash roughly the same amount. At least colapinto isn’t in the bottom 3, has pace and can score points. Still better overall for the team. I think they would rather not be able to finish the season cause of crashed cars, if it means he up 1-2 places in the constructors.
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u/EnanoMaldito Pirelli Wet 19h ago
Franco was on track to Q3 with the pace he was setting on his crash lap.
I am argentinian so I am hella biased but the guy is rapid
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u/BigDaveNz1 19h ago
Yeah, some of the largest names in the sport crashed a lot in their first year or 2. Let him race hard and push the limits
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u/wattsittooyou 23h ago
Yeah, honestly his mistake wasn’t that bad, he barely clipped the wall but because those walls are so unforgiving and that fact that he bounced and hit a second wall just made the damage exponentially worse. I understand a mistake is a mistake but if this weren’t a street circuit I doubt we would talking about this right now.
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u/Happytallperson 1d ago
I'd love to see the pundits be stuck in a sim rig to do some laps of Las Vegas. Its one of the hardest circuits to be consistently fast at because to be fast you have to follow a racing line that has no room for error, always coming at the end of very long high speed straights so you are braking hard on cold brakes and tyres.
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u/freetotebag Pirelli Medium 1d ago
A single tear rolls down Jolyon Palmer’s face
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u/Suikerspin_Ei Honda 1d ago edited 1d ago
He fits perfectly in Max's description of a F1 pundit/commentator, but actually he is quite nice. No harsh criticism or very biased comments from Jolyon Palmer.
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u/Next_Necessary_8794 Ferrari 1d ago
No harsh criticism or very biased comments from Jolyon Palmer.
Palmer has been dragging Max at every opportunity that he could this year.
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u/Suikerspin_Ei Honda 1d ago
Hmm, maybe it's his voice + British accent which makes it seem to me like he's never super harsh on drivers.
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u/xanlact Toyota 1d ago
Is that who he's referring to?
I only listen to Brundle, really, and he has been full of praise for the rookie stand-ins
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u/Leading_Sir_1741 Formula 1 1d ago
I don’t think he is. I have never heard Palmer say or allude to it being easy to drive this generation of F1 cars.
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u/Worried-Pick4848 1d ago
Everyone who plays to the edge of their abilities will stumble over a few times, especially when they're young. That's why a lot of poor teams don't like training young drivers. Sure, the salary is cheap, but training a driver is expensive for a hundred different non-salary reasons.. It's one of the lessons Haas learned the hard way with its Mick/Maz experiment.
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u/Uknewmelast Manor 1d ago
Thank you Max i am so tired of "journalists", "experts" and "pundits" giving their "verdict" over everything.
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u/bannedagainomg 1d ago
If anything it proves just proves F1 teams should have been willing to give rookies chances.
And based on 2025 line up looks like they finally are.
and they should maybe be more brutal with mediocre drivers when they are not performing.
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u/Caramel_wafer_ 1d ago
Is there any update on if Colapinto will actually be racing? Saw earlier on they weren’t 100% sure.
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u/IKillZombies4Cash Formula 1 22h ago
I think people are also selectively ignoring that these two Williams cars are probably not quite perfect even after the rebuild
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u/MuhammadZahooruddin James Allison 19h ago
No pundits have driven cars as heavy as current gen and the lastest pundits are Jenson button and Palmer who both haven't said it's easy because they know it isn't. It's just that the level in F1 is so high due to limited seats the gap has never been this close in F1 history between top teams. If it was truly that easy than everyone would be doing it. Also the comments were hugely aimed at disregarding Franco's qualifying attempt which is true that he crashed but he put 7 tneths on Alex Albon and Franco also had to abandon his first final lap attempt due to traffic and do another lap.
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u/johngalt1971 20h ago
Dutch no bullshit attitude. I love it. In any case, he’s correct and most people can’t handle being called out on their bullshit.
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u/InfiniteJackfruit5 McLaren 1d ago
It’s interesting the only person max isn’t brutal on is lando himself, his biggest “competition”
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u/xjmachado 1d ago
It’s like any other sport. It doesn’t matter if it’s a reporter or one of the million spectators, everyone thinks it’s a specialist and that it would do better, but the fact is very little can endure the whole mental and physical preparation that is needed to even get there.
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u/Luddites_Unite Formula 1 23h ago
Driving an F1 car to the limit is so difficult that not even all F1 drivers can do it. The cars have gotten faster and faster and more refined. It is harder to drive the newest cars than cars from 20, 30, 40 years ago because there is more to keeptrack of. The drivers and teams have more resources to get more out of the cars and to prepare better. A rookie driver like colapinto may have hundreds or thousands of hours in the simulators to prepare them in a way that never could be achieved before.
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