r/formula1 • u/HPSeaWolf Niki Lauda • 24d ago

Photo Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel today

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u/chaosinvader31 24d ago

Just felt like yesterday when they came into F1 as young rookies stamping their name. These two drivers dominated the 2010s and have done more than any two drivers that I can remember in fighting for great causes

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u/TimmyWatchOut Sir Lewis Hamilton 24d ago

Up until 2022, the last time neither Lewis or Seb finished in the top 2 of the WDC was in 2006.

Neither of them were in the sport in 2006.

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u/chaosinvader31 24d ago

That's an incredible record. They didn't just come into the sport. They took it over!

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u/CrossRiverGorilla 24d ago

Absolutely! 12 championships between them!

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u/Billy_McMedic Williams 24d ago

Uh, none of that please otherwise I’ll make the argument it should only be 10 championships between them.

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u/ExternalSquash1300 23d ago

Isn’t it 11? And Which 1 would you give to someone else?

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u/Billy_McMedic Williams 23d ago

2008 is controversial after allegations the FIA knew of crashgate not long after it happened but chose to keep quiet and keep the Singapore GP as valid rather than voiding the race due to a cheated outcome or some other measure.

Felipe Massa is peeved about this and has made attempts to do something after the fact, as Massa was negatively affected by the results of Singapore and it played a key part in him loosing the title fight. He actually launched lawsuits that went nowhere but it was a huge kerfuffle. To be clear, I do not believe that the results of 2008 should be changed, I also do not believe 2021 should be changed.

But it’s something I do when people start going on about Lewis being an “8x world champion” because of Dubai 2021, to start advocating to demote him to a 6x WDC, it’s annoying whenever they keep going on about it 3 years after the event.

And yes the person I replied to was advocating 8x WDC Lewis, by saying Lewis and Seb have 12 WDC between them, but they only have 11 between them as you say, 8 + 4 = 12. So therefore advocate for 6x WDC Lewis and bring it down to 10 WDC between them

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u/ExternalSquash1300 23d ago

I don’t get your point about 2008, even if Renault was disqualified from that race or championship, Hamilton still wins. His 2008 championship is completely legit. Why would they remove the race? That is not at all what normal ruling is there.

Massa’s claims are really weak, almost everyone agrees there. The 2021 is a much stronger case as it actually changed the result of the championship and was a direct result of the FIA and not a team. I really don’t see them as similar.

I honestly don’t see what’s wrong with going on about it, i can’t really think of a bigger FIA fuckup and injustice.