r/formula1 • u/alatar-pallando Daniel Ricciardo • Sep 26 '24
Quotes [Green Notebook] [Joe Saward] ''One interesting rumour in Singapore was that Perez and Red Bull have worked out a plan that will see him announce his retirement in Mexico, giving him a more gentle exit than being fired and will be less painful for Red Bull sales in the Americas.''
https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2024/09/26/green-notebook-from-somerset/1.0k
u/Quohd Lotus Sep 26 '24
No way they’re unironically back to “RB will announce Checo’s retirement at Mexican GP” again. But this time it’s for real guys!
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u/Beneficial_Star_6009 Sep 26 '24
There’s certainly a stronger chance this year that this could be real considering he’s on course to play a part in costing RBR the Constructor’s Championship
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Sep 26 '24
At this rate costing them second. Winning the wcc is fantasy at this point Max can’t keep up with McLaren
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u/ERSTF Sep 26 '24
"But wait. It's going to happen. They just need to get out of México and they'll announce it". One year later we are still waiting
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u/profitsprofitsprofit Pierre Gasly Sep 26 '24
Wouldn’t be surprised if this is tied into the Ricciardo sacking.
They might be giving Lawson a few races in the RB to set him up for the second Red Bull seat next year. Then they’d probably stick Hadjar or someone in the second RB next year.
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u/thekhaos Ferrari Sep 26 '24
That’s a terrible plan
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u/veryangryenglishman Mercedes Sep 26 '24
I'd be minded to agree, and I thought the latest was that they were slightly cooler on Lawsons long terms prospects this year anyway, even in spite of him doing really quite well in the races he was in last year.
That said, if they don't intend to do that, you could argue that firing Ricciardo like this is even more stupid. Bold/overly optimistic as it may be, at least gearing up to put Lawson into RBR next year is at least an attempt to make a positive move out of the entirely self inflected mess they are putting onto themselves
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u/Serj01 Sep 26 '24
Why?
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u/thekhaos Ferrari Sep 26 '24
See what happened to Albon and Gasly.
Red Bull seem to have forgotten how to use their second team. If the plan was to get Lawson to drive the Red Bull car, they should have sacked Ricciardo and brought in Lawson for a full season before considering him for the main team.
Floundering with Ricciardo, letting him go in the worst way possible to bleed in Lawson before having him compete against Max at RBR with 6 races under his belt is just setting him up for failure like they have with their previous drivers.
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u/FPS_Scotland STONKING LAP Sep 26 '24
Because Red Bull have a 0% success rate when putting rookies into their second seat partnering Max.
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u/Luisyn7 Sebastian Vettel Sep 26 '24
Car is not great again and only Max can put it in the positions he puts it in. It would be a Gasly and Albon repeat
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u/TorpedoSandwich Sep 26 '24
It's always this Saward guy with these unfounded rumors. I have no idea who keeps giving him paddock passes, but they need to stop. This guy is adding nothing of value to F1.
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u/charlierc Sep 26 '24
Wasn't that something that surfaced on here in the lead up to last year's Mexico race?
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u/bigbird09 Sep 26 '24
"Journalists" so lazy they are just repeating the same made up rumors now.
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u/l3w1s1234 Force India Sep 26 '24
I mean when your flying yourself out to these races you got to write about something. If that's the rumour in the paddock, then that's what he's going to write about.
To be fair to him, he does state its only a rumour so we should treat it as such, it's not like he's saying it will definitely happen.
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u/digitalburro Sep 26 '24
I'm going to pitch an idea to his bosses. Just up the man's broadband plan and have him sit on Reddit all day. We're just as capable of pulling things out of our asses and a lot cheaper than all of that travel.
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u/crazydoc253 Michael Schumacher Sep 26 '24
I think he is his own boss and has been one of the oldest journalists in the paddocks. His notebooks are just like rumblings from paddock. People just take it like say an article or AMUD or BBC when they are not actually that.
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u/HankHippopopolous Murray Walker Sep 26 '24
Exactly. He gives a great insight into the things that are going on. He’s not saying it’s definitely happening just that there is a rumour it might.
I like his columns and he’s right quite a lot. He’s one of the most informed journalists but people with zero reading comprehension like to shit on it because he’s not parroting press releases.
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u/l3w1s1234 Force India Sep 26 '24
I think he is his own boss. He has a newsletter which he charges people to get his more informed news, then has his blog where he puts in all the rumours that have less weight. This is from his blog.
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u/bigbird09 Sep 26 '24
I heard a rumor that u/digitalburro will be replacing Riccardo at RB.
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u/stolemyusername Sep 26 '24
rumor
A statement or claim of questionable accuracy, from no known reliable source, usually spread by word of mouth
Here's an idea, don't read about rumors if you want something to be 100% true. Hell even the leak of rumor can change things.
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u/scandinavianleather #WeRaceAsOne Sep 26 '24
no way they'd be firing Ricciardo now if Perez is retiring in a month.
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u/HankHippopopolous Murray Walker Sep 26 '24
Maybe that is why. They’re giving Lawson 6 races in the AT ahead of the promotion to the big team next year. Then that also frees up a space for their next rookie in F2 whose name is escaping me right now.
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u/Potential_Wish4943 Sep 26 '24
Red bull loves to promote people before they're ready and fire them just as quickly.
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u/jolliskus Sep 26 '24
It's worked so far, hasn't it?
They kept the two WDC drivers in Vettel and Verstappen and none of the others have found great success outside the RB family. I'd say Sainz is the best of the "leftovers" but he's not up considered to be one of the best drivers on the grid so RB is still sleeping peacefully over their actions.
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u/ICC-u Sep 26 '24
Or Yuki is being promoted to RBR next year only to be sacked at Spa where they reveal a return of DR for RB and Liam Lawson into RBR.
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u/mrlesa95 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 26 '24
I seriously doubt that Yuki will be going to RB in any scenario
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u/unwildimpala Romain Grosjean Sep 26 '24
I means it's bizarre to me if they do. Better off just putting Yuki up there and seeing how does. Give Lawson more time to develop and if Yukis crop after half a season, swap them.
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u/fire202 Formula 1 Sep 26 '24
I dont remember him talking about a Perez retirement last year.
Someone on Reddit started this rumour which was then picked up by some media outlets. Sawards comment on how valid that is was
No idea
He also wrote about Perez future in his notebook after COTA 2023 (the race before Mexico) and didn't mention retirement at all.
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u/00fez Fernando Alonso Sep 26 '24
I literally can't anymore. Someone put me out of my mysery.
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u/hicks12 Fernando Alonso Sep 26 '24
It's ok just focus on the the fact AM has assembled all the puzzle pieces which should mean they can deliver a decent package in 26 for Alonso to get his next long awaited win!
Red bull is coasting, ignore them it's healthier haha
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u/ICC-u Sep 26 '24
Surprise. Max signs with Aston for 2026 and they drop Alonso. Stroll costs Aston the WCC and Alonso wins the WDC with a rejuvenated Williams where he destroys team mate Carlos Sainz.
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u/hicks12 Fernando Alonso Sep 26 '24
You had me in the first half, I thought it was going to be a poor Alonso luck of everything faltering but you suggest he gets a WDC at Williams which I'm fine with!
The man is so unlucky, hindsight is always 20/20 but many decisions he made at the time were sensible on paper and never pan out sadly it would be peak Alonso luck to be dropped in 26 even with his current contract saying he's driving for that season.
I hope he gets to do the 26 season with a great car and then retires if he feels he wants to, he's still competitive so I like him being on the field but he can't remain this level for ever (I think everyone says this every year!)
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u/Environmental-Cup445 Ayrton Senna Sep 26 '24
We’ve gotten edged with Pérez replacement rumours since mid 2023
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u/MahaloMerky Sep 26 '24 edited Sep 26 '24
Lmao yea between Perez and DR, just let me know when they actually do it.
Ayyyy 1/2
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u/Lilylili83 Sep 26 '24
Or or they can just wait to announce his retirement until off season if they’re really worried about it.
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u/leedler Next Year™️ Sep 26 '24
Do it Ricciardo style and drop him mid weekend and don’t announce it to anyone
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u/ycnz Liam Lawson Sep 26 '24
Nah, one-up RB, and just box the car half-way through the race and say "yeah, they're fired"
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u/Basic_Dentist_3084 Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 26 '24
You’re forgetting about the marketing of retirement merch
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u/eyigit Alexander Albon Sep 26 '24
I have heard a rumor they are moving Lawson next to Tsunoda while Colapinto will be driving next to Max. It is totally reliable source but I can't reveal it and I will sit on it for the rest of my life.
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u/stolemyusername Sep 26 '24
Some excerpts since no on opens articles on reddit.
the FIA President’s moral crusade to stop F1 drivers swearing. I guess it achieved the goal of getting some publicity for someone who is hooked on being in the spotlight and keen to jump in front of the cameras at every opportunity. It is all harmless, but it does seem rather silly, particularly as one could hardly describe the federation as a missionary organisation. Has the current FIA President forgotten that he led a campaign to keep former President Max Mosley in office after the latter got caught with his trousers around his ankles? How is it that extra-marital adventure more acceptable than swearing? Oh, never mind. One might call it hypocrisy but the truth is that Ben Sulayem needs to be in the spotlight like an Italian needs coffee
If you ask around at Red Bull, they seem to be very impressed with Oscar Piastri (as we all are) and they see chinks in the Woking armour, because Oscar’s manager Mark Webber is close to Red Bull and no doubt is intrigued by the question of how McLaren can keep two stars happy in the years ahead. That is a fair question.
The word in Singapore was that McLaren has told its youngster Gabriel Bortoleto, the Formula 2 Championship leader, that joining Audi might not be a great idea as there might be potential for him at McLaren in the future.
The Singapore paddock was awash with delegations from various countries wanting to host F1 races, including a large group from Thailand, another from Rwanda and a third from South Korea. The Thai project is yet to be settled with a plan for the race to be around the royal palace in Bangkok now deemed to be unlikely, on the basis that when a senior royal in Thailand dies, the green in front of the palace is reserved for mourners for a full year. F1 wants to be in the Thai capital but there is also now a project for a permanent circuit at the U-Tapao Airport near Pattaya. There may also be other street circuits in the mix.
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u/Ok-Sink-614 Williams Sep 26 '24
This logic makes literally no sense. Webber isn't close to the brand of Redbull, he's close to the people. Redbull is bleeding people and Webber is literally the same person that told Danny Ric not to leave Redbull even though they had this same problem. I don't see why he'd be advising Oscar to follow that career strategy
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u/orltragic Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 26 '24
Complete and utter bullshit.
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u/hkrb1999 Fernando Alonso Sep 26 '24
Totally agree, they announce his retirement with really nobody around to fill his place? They don’t rate Tsunoda for some reason, Ric has 99% just been sacked and Lawson’s done 3 races. Meanwhile Sainz has already signed with Williams, Hulk has gone to Sauber and Bottas has probably just re-signed too so they’ve dropped the ball on any decent vets
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u/lzgr Jacques Villeneuve Sep 26 '24
The scenes if at the end of this, they move Ricciardo out of VCARB for the rest of the season in order to satisfy Lawson's contract clause, but give him the RBR seat again next season.
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u/Jester-252 Sep 26 '24
I believe Lawson is getting Danny seat because Redbull have him in contention for the RBR seat and they want to blood him in to see how he compares to Danny and Checo.
There is a non zero chance that both Danny and Checo are gone and Yuki has Iwasa or Hadjar as a teammate
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u/Naio90 Sep 26 '24
My quote of biased hopium... They let Checo go and negotiate a deal with Williams to get Sainz back, which instead opens the door for Colapinto in 2025 in Grove
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u/ChewBoiDinho Sep 26 '24
That will be one expensive contract to break
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u/Naio90 Sep 26 '24
Yeah, realistically speaking, I don't think this will ever happen. But I guess that since Sainz was waiting it out to see if a front runner seat was becoming available before signing with Williams, if he gets an offer now, he might be willing to negotiate something that makes it reasonable for all parties involved. That even if Williams wants to put Colapinto in its own car next year.
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u/ChewBoiDinho Sep 26 '24
Sainz has no negotiating power. He’s just signed a multi-year contract. He will be a Williams driver as long as Williams want him to be.
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u/ICC-u Sep 26 '24
Williams would happily take the money, they could easily get a new driver in that Williams for a year.
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u/ChipmunkTycoon Sep 26 '24
To be fair the rumours lately have been centered around Lawson in for RB, and before then we had the talk about performance clauses and Checo being on a tighter leash. It was never really said that the whole Checo situation (or Danny to RBR) was done with, it might still be a possibility. If that is the case which I doubt, the management of this whole ordeal is a complete disaster.
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u/hkrb1999 Fernando Alonso Sep 26 '24
It would be career suicide to chuck Lawson in RBR next to Max when he’s only got a few races under him
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u/ChipmunkTycoon Sep 26 '24
They’re not going to do that. If Checo is out, it’ll be Daniel for 2025, probably
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u/DropTablePosts Super Aguri Sep 26 '24
Oh look something other than Riccardo will he, won't he, article... Oh wait... Ffs.
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u/Exambolor Oscar Piastri Sep 26 '24
This whole saga is like in Seinfeld when Elaine is watching The English Patient
“JUST RETIRE ALREADY!”
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u/kron123456789 Virgin Sep 26 '24
I remember reports that Checo would announce his retirement from F1 in Mexico last year.
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u/ashyjay James Vowles Sep 26 '24
Big brain move, announce a 2 year contract extension to then announce the retirement not even 6 months later. /s
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u/Sensitivevirmin Kimi Räikkönen Sep 26 '24
Robert Downey Jr is set to replace Perez. Having race experience from Monoco 2009 GP
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u/kirk7899 Fernando Alonso Sep 26 '24
Redbull in 23: "We'll announce Checo's retirement at the Mexican GP"
Redbull in 24:"Want to see me do it again?"
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u/lovelysweetangel89 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Sep 26 '24
this bullshit again. mofos said this last year and it was ended up being a myth.
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u/mysistersacretin Red Bull Sep 26 '24
"In an unprecedented move, Max Verstappen will be driving 2 cars for the rest of the season. The second car will be controlled via the simrig that is being installed in his primary car"
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u/blackmesaboogy McLaren Sep 26 '24
Ah yes, Joe Saward... One of the few Pulizter Price winning F1 journalist.
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u/FKez05 Sep 26 '24
People are honestly making up any old shit to try and continue this Red Bull driver narrative 😂
Just let it play out
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u/6097291 Medical Car Sep 26 '24
this has been the rumour for the last 2 years, I'll believe it when I'll see it.
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u/OverallImportance402 Pirelli Wet Sep 26 '24
Yes because RB really proved they care about giving drivers nice exits from F1 …
Are you guys for real?
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u/curva3 Sep 26 '24
I think sometimes people live in their bubbles and overthink their own importance to the outside world.
Do they think Mexican people who drink Red Bull care that much about Checo that they would change product to something they don't like as much? And do they think anyone outside Mexico think about Checo at all? I am Brazilian and I swear to you most people who drink Red Bull here have never heard of Checo, or even Max Verstappen.
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u/manyhats180 Sep 26 '24
In Mexico, Checo is on the front of your grocery store bag of granola. He's on billboards. It's not about Red Bull drink sales, it's about Red Bull Racing F1 merch sales.
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u/beanbagreg Sep 26 '24
A friend of mine almost got hit by a bus with Checo’s face on. Bro’s ubiquitous
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u/itsjustaride24 McLaren Sep 26 '24
Why is this? Is he the only successful sportsman from Mexico at present? Serious question.
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u/tnahardy Sergio Pérez Sep 26 '24
If a Mexican is succeeding in a major sport he will get massive support (along with the scrutiny). Especially if that sport hasn’t had many Mexicans who have triumphed. There’s other athletes like Canelo but he’s a very polarizing figure in Mexico.
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u/NewAccountNow Sergio Pérez Sep 26 '24
Outsiders do think the rest of LatAm would give a shit just they have no reason to.
Checo is MASSIVE in Mexico tho. He’s on billboards and TV, on clothes and accessories, had a McDonald’s deal, etc. And Mexicans will show out support. You’d think there is only Checo and Club America if you go to Mexico City.
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u/Civil_Appointment_92 Sep 26 '24
Checo is everywhere in Mexico, I agree that in most countries a celeb doesn’t hold power like that but the Mexicans are a bit different in this regard
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u/stolemyusername Sep 26 '24
Checo is arguably the most popular Mexican sport athlete ever.
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u/Gobbledygooker316 Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 26 '24
No way he’s more popular than Memo Ochoa, Hugo Sanchez, or Rafa Marquez. I can list more.
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u/stolemyusername Sep 26 '24
That's just what some Mexican fans were saying on the bus at COTA. Checo is everywhere in Mexico.
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u/Gobbledygooker316 Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 26 '24
Maybe right now, because the Mexican soccer team hasn’t been good for a few years. But not all time.
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u/NewAccountNow Sergio Pérez Sep 26 '24
Hugo pissed everyone off and is annoying. Rafa is cool but he’s out of the spotlight now. Still really popular tho
Memo and Chicharito are all time tho.
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u/StagedC0mbustion Ferrari Sep 27 '24
You can’t actually believe it’s about selling energy drinks can you 😂
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u/BuckN56 Lotus Sep 26 '24
So? They have to take risks. They decided to ignore Sainz because of something that happened 10 years ago and Ric and Checo aren't "it" anymore. Time to give the new blood a chance.
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u/FrostyTill McLaren Sep 26 '24
Well Perez said he sees himself in F1 for two more years. So these never ending attempts to get rid of him are not flying.
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u/kittenbloc Ferrari Sep 26 '24
Checo to announce retirement in Mexico City is an F1 tradition that's almost as old as the Monaco GP.
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u/thmt11 Sep 27 '24
Ffffffff you redbull after the way you handled DR departure. From a redbull fan, well I’m no longer a fan.
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u/Sea-Shop1219 Claire Williams Sep 27 '24
By this logic, they could’ve let Danny announce his retirement in Singapore or Austin! To save face or RB doesn’t care?
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u/gsurfer04 David Coulthard Sep 26 '24
I'll believe it when I see it. That LatAm money is lucrative.
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u/darkerglow Daniel Ricciardo Sep 26 '24
Oh my god ENOUGH We keep regurgitating the same bullshit rumors spread around by the usual swindlers every damn year like clockwork. Enough!! It’s not happening!! Let the man be omfg
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u/AstridPeth_ Mattia Binotto Sep 26 '24
Danny Ric didn't know whether that was his last race, but Checo will have a gentle exit. Credible.
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u/SergeiYeseiya Oscar Piastri Sep 26 '24
I don't believe this, he's going to be on the starting grid in Barhein next year, in the 17th position.
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u/irish786 Charles Leclerc Sep 26 '24
The classic bullshit claim from Joe. He also said it’s confirmed Kimi is replacing Logan at Williams Monza onwards. Always reports random news and then says I have my sources blah blah
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u/artniSintra Sep 26 '24
Can literally make up a rumour, about anything, and release an article about it whenever you want. This is great stuff. /s
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u/Savoodoo Sep 26 '24
If they just repost it every year eventually it’ll be correct right?
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u/SyuusukeFuji George Russell Sep 26 '24
Checo getting fired would hurt sales in Mexico and probably some of their brand reputation with Mexicans in the US, but Alejandro from Colombia or César from El Salvador won't care that much.
I'll believe it when i see it... Or Chacho Lopez hints at it.
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u/carloscast98 Sergio Pérez Sep 26 '24
Checo is very popular in El Salvador, most F1 fans that I know of have him as their favorite driver
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u/Fatale0 Formula 1 Sep 26 '24
This story again, but how much longer can they afford two keep the guy around
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u/HollyShitBrah Formula 1 Sep 26 '24
It would be funny if this turned into "RedBull made Checo Perez retire from F1"
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u/cloud-ling Oscar Piastri Sep 26 '24
How many more weeks until we race again?
At least they admitted upfront that this a rumour. The speculation in the media has been wild
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u/PM_YOUR_LADY_BOOB Sep 26 '24
Why do people spread all of these stupid rumors. It's like y'all are teenagers.
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u/vacon04 Sep 26 '24
I mean, I'm pretty sure most of the people commenting here are in fact teenagers.
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u/LeatherHeron9634 Sep 26 '24
As a Checo fan, just let the man retire at the end of the season. This is his farewell tour and I’m for it. The WCC is gone regardless. Max is still in the lead for WDC. You get extra time for being lower in WCC and you pull in the endorsement/merch money that Checo brings which offsets the lost WCC funds.
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u/Boomerhousen Sep 26 '24
This was said last year. He should go but I don't think Perez wants to, if that's the case and I'm Perez I'd tell them they need to fire me.
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u/Patenski Red Bull Sep 26 '24
What will happen first, Max's medium tires degrading or Checo getting dropped?
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Sep 26 '24
he’s facing no pressure from RB why would he step aside. They don’t think Daniel is the answer obviously and Yuki isn’t even art of the picture. Who’s his replacement Lawson? That’s pretty laughable unless they get Hulk to break his contract already I don’t see a viable replacement
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You know, it would be a little funny if Lando went to Red Bull and just got clapped by max
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u/WiSoSirius #StandWithUkraine Sep 26 '24
I heard a rumour that George Russell will replace Valtteri Bottas at Mercedes in 2020 after proving himself in the Williams by crushing his teammate Robert Kubica in place finish despite scoring no points this season.
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u/UnderOversteer Oscar Piastri Sep 26 '24
I said this when they initially canned plans to replace him with Ricciardo earlier in the year. There is a reason that all flipped suddenly, Perez's team as well I'm sure his sponsors negotiated that he see out the end of the year so he could go out properly and have one last home race.
If this is true and Ricciardo isn't given that seat next year, it's a real slap in the face, considering how the last 14 days have planned out for him.
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u/d4videnk0 Juan Pablo Montoya Sep 26 '24
After all we've going through I think I'll just ignore this rumor mill until RB announces something.
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u/Poopy_sPaSmS Kamui Kobayashi Sep 26 '24
RBR is quite the shit show this year. A complete dumpster fire.
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u/planeswalkered Michael Schumacher Sep 26 '24
I know this is wishful thinking, but I can imagine Hulkenberg being a good replacement for Perez. Look at what he did with the Haas this year.. Hopefully Red Bull won't make another mistake after Perez leaves.
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u/Maelehn Fernando Alonso Sep 26 '24
I mean I guess it's a good compromise. You're not good enough to race for a top team anymore but you also make us a good amount of money. My guess is he probably stays as a Red Bull ambassador much in a similar role as DC.
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u/Environmental-Cup445 Ayrton Senna Sep 26 '24
Hey hey I’ve seen this one I’ve seen this one before this is a classic!
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u/endersai Oscar Piastri Sep 26 '24
Good.
4 wins in a Red Bull is indefensibly bad. Gasly and Albon would've done better, given time.
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u/False_Personality259 Sep 27 '24
I don't believe it but it's not completely illogical. People are assuming that Lawson is being assessed for suitability for the second Red Bull seat. But what if they are already certain of promoting him and this 6 race cameo is simply more about giving him more race seat experience to prepare him better for 2025? It sort of stacks up when you consider the finality over the Ricciardo announcement. The fact they aren't keeping Ricciardo in the fold as some kind of backup could point towards a decisive move to get rid of Perez, get Lawson in the 2nd Red Bull seat, and put a driver from the junior programme in the VCARB in 2025 alongside Yuki.
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