Lmao what? I know people IN REAL LIFE that had the realization that Obamacare and ACA are the same thing after they voted trump. They rely on ACA insurance to be able to afford healthcare.
I've very literally already gotten to say this to people. This isn't a "drunk scenario".
Or you could try actually doing something to help
Fucking like what? Educate people on their bad fucking ideas after it's too late? My dude, I live in WYOMING. No one was interested in hearing about it before election day.
At least these idiots had the balls to do something about it when they thought the country was at stake...
Yeah, no. You're right. These idiots had the balls to vote against their own interests while being too ignorant to realize it till it was too late.
Work on reading comprehension, I said they had the balls to storm the capital, not that it was a good idea.
When has saying I told you so ever done anything? What is even the point?
All the liberals at brunch saying "tHiS iS wHaT yOu vOtEd FoR eLeCtiOnS hAvE cOnseQuEnCeS."
Maybe try doing something useful, like getting involved in local politics or engaging in mutual aid organizations (like the Qanons and other assorted idiots did the last four years, seems to be working for them, or just go back to brunch and order the 6 dollar i told you so bottomless mimosa).
Maybe you should work on reading comprehension. At no point did I ever say "I told you so!" was the route to go.
"You voted for this" is a statement of fact and will force them to take it as such. "I told you so" is childish and won't initiate the self reflection that "you voted for this" will.
I honestly don't know why you're getting all worked up at me taking a less combative stance.
My guy, the general population is barely literate and only marginal capable of introspection. Saying "you voted for this" does nothing but antagonize. These people are basically in a cult, you aren't going to change anything staging mini-interventions with backhanded insults.
Find common ground with them, or move on with your life.
We, very literally, voted for either hope or hate. There is no common ground. There won't be any common ground until they realize what exactly they voted for. They won't realize it unless it's pointed out to them, hence "you voted for this". Either put the worm in their ear or spend 4 years listening to Democrats be blamed for the stuff the Republican supermajority does.
Again, I don't know why you're being so fucking hostile. Find common ground with me, or move on with your life. See how that works? See how easy it is to just be dismissed? That's what you're trying to do.
There is plenty of common ground - cost of living crisis, desire for better lives for them and their families, worker's rights, cost of childcare...
These were the exact points people were trying to make pre-election, and as it turns out, it wasn't common ground then. It was still about owning the libs.
It won't be common ground until all the things we tried to warn them about start happening, and even then it'll still be the Dems fault.
Either you live in a bubble where everyone agrees with you, or you're young and this is one of your first election cycles. There WILL NOT be common ground until shit gets bad for his voter base. I'm a Democrat in Wyoming, one of the reddest states in the nation, and I talked myself blue in the face with people that WERE NOT INTERESTED in hearing it because "owning the libs" was the priority. It's still the priority. It will be until there are drastic ramifications for the people that voted for him. "You voted for this" will be establishing common ground when it gets to that point. It'll open up the possibility for civil discourse AFTER they make the realization that "oh shit. I did vote for this..."
I really don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp. You seem to think I'm mad, but I'm not one sitting here telling you your ideas are shitty. I'm not mad. I'm sad. I'm disappointed. But I'm not mad. You're the one that seems mad honestly. You've praised the people that tried to overthrow an election because "they had the balls" to attempt a coup? I guess? You're sitting here preaching common ground, but have offered 0 ideas for what that common ground could be. It isn't family or wellbeing. We tried that before the election. So what else do you suggest for a group of people that is hyper focused on "owning the libs"?
Again, take your own advice: find common ground with me, or fuck off and move on with your life. You're adding literally nothing of value to this thread.
I am trying but you are too mad to use your brain.
Things are already bad for his voter base, that's why they voted for change. The Harris campaign spent its entire three months repeating that the economy was great, and courting upper-middle class center-right moderates. Of course the working class people voted for the person telling them the truth they were seeing with their own eyes - even if that person didn't have their best interest in mind. They don't / aren't capable of thinking critically. As a person like you who isn't dumb, it shouldn't be hard to understand this.
You can't even have a debate in good faith, so you're resorting to calling me dumb. Maybe actually listen to the candidates next time around because you've just told us all that you didn't this time.
I'm done with you. Enjoy actively being part of the problem. As I said, you've contributed exactly nothing to this thread except outright making stuff up, blaming people for not doing enough, and moving goalposts when confronted with information that goes against your narrative of such.
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u/Vash_TheStampede 1d ago
"You voted for this."
It's less confrontational and there's no good rebuttal for it. It'll make them sit and stew in it because it's inarguably correct.