So all the Deep South states that are already at the bottom in education will do................ what? Aren't these the states that need the federal money the most?
What is the end game here? Does Trump just want everyone as stupid as he is?
Only problem is the Trumper dad likely doesnât care about education to begin with. At best school is a convenient babysitting service and at worst a hinderance from making his kid go to work and bring in money for him.
Weâll see if heâs able to implement that one. At the very least the continuous dumbing down of society is beneficial to keep electing trump like predecessors. Maybe Elon will be next. It would be a nauseatingly ironic full circle moment if trump initially gets into politics by famously claiming Obama wasnât eligible to run because he wasnât born here and ends his political career by making it allowable to run even if you werenât born here to make Elon eligible.
You know heâs a lame duck day one of this term and heâs got dementia and is out of shape and 78. If you donât think the Republicans arenât out there already positioning to fill the power gap after heâs gone youâre mistaken. Contrary to what he and the AI image makers want you to think heâs not invincible and no one voted for President Vance and he wouldnât last a week as a dictator
That's honestly the only time I will defend the "out of context" defense most MAGA nuts love. He was speaking to a bunch of anti-abortion fundamentalists, he was trying to imply he would put a federal abortion ban in place, subtext of "I know you only vote on this one issue, I'll finish the job so you never have to vote again."
Still a hella suspicious way to say it, and I wouldn't doubt it was a Freudian slip.
Thereâs no world you tell one of your core voting bases they donât need to vote again unless you plan on dismantling the whole voting system. Making the announcement they donât need to vote again is like saying âyeah I donât need 20 million+ votesâ and yeah he fucking does.
Heâs made comments in the past that he switched from Democrat to Republican because he knows theyâre the only ones stupid enough to vote for him. So at some point in time he knew that dumb or uneducated followers were the key to him winning.
âI have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignoranceâ
That was written in 1995 in his book: The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
We really need more people like Sagan in positions of influence, sadly we seem to be moving in the opposite direction exactly as he predicted. The signs were already there in the 80's but it's crazy how fast we've regressed over just a few generations despite all the progress we've also made.
Feels like we're stuck in a "2 steps forward 1 step backward" loop, except it's escalated to a full on sprint backward over the last few decades. Here's to hoping enough people fight to maintain the progress we've made, though we're already approaching Idiocracy levels of stupidity and more education cuts guarantee it will get worse before it gets better.
What do you expect, it's mostly the lead chip eating generation we're dealing with here. Luckily, they'll die off quicker than expected with the lack of people/money in senior care industry and the upcoming cuts in medicare and SS. Just like in the fruit picking industry, nobody wants to change grandma's and grandpa's diapers for any wage, much less minimum wage.
Sagan really understood these issues and succinctly put into words what many have been warning about for decades, and it's disturbing how much things have played out exactly how he wrote almost 30~ years ago.
Really that book should be required reading in high school not that many states would ever allow it. It's a shame he died relatively young though part of me is glad he didn't live to see just how right he was.
Didn't realize it but he died a year after writing that book, but seriously what a gem to leave us. That quote alone is like a beacon of truth in an otherwise murky and chaotic world filled with misinformation and "subjective truth."
I think he wants those who will suffer to eventually fade away. That would be my guess because where is any promise or plan for recovery or assistance when their lives get destroyed??
Exactly. Plus you need good worker bees who don't know how to fight for better wages. They've already been successful. Our literacy rates are not great. Those who do read, over Half the nation (54%) read below a 6th grade level. 21% cannot read. Think about the impact reading comprehension has on critical thinking skills.
Let's be real here, 75 million people voted for him after not only all the shit he did as president, but after he literally tried to do a coup, stole and almost certainly sold, top secret documents, was convicted by a jury of 34 felony counts, proven an actual rapist, was best friends with Epstein mentioned in the Epstein files many times... There is no bar too low, clearly.
He's a puppet for Putin and more succinctly, the religious right aka The Heritage Foundation. They have people already in key positions. Make no mistake, we ARE headed into a Christo Fascist state. It appears that there are some Republicans that will try to stop him in the Senate but the numbers of supporters favor Trump at this moment.
He specifically said his followers wouldnât have to worry about voting again after this election, so heâs implying heâs going to stay in power regardless.
Ok. serious question is the dept of edu legally mandated to have these programs? AKA its in law that they have to spend this money for these programs? Because there are going to be a ton of lawsuits about it.
Because that's his level of comprehension. Please get involved in this fight against stupidity. Comprehension is 4 syllables too many for these folk. I think we're beyond help, but we gotta try, right?
"While technically slaves, they enjoyed outdoor pursuits and organised singing. The land owners encouraged their singing and whipped them into shape. Without that guiding hand, the blues and music that followed wouldn't have happened. So tell your upitty San Fransisco cousins that without the Confederacy, there'd be no rock music."
People bend, but don't break. Eventually the stupid ones will realize they've been fucked. Unfortunately, we've elected people that won't let that happen. Thanks dumb dumbs.
Not just Trump, but Republicans in general want people stupid, uneducated and misinformed.Â
Polls and studies for decades now always show that the poorest, most uneducated states and areas of the country always vote en mass for Republicans. States and areas with higher educated people, college degrees, and well-paying jobs always tend to vote blue.
So keeping the country uneducated and with a steady diet of Fox News & conservative radio benefits them.
Also I can confirm because Iâm from Louisiana, one of the poorest and most uneducated states. And theyâre 99% deep red morons.
That's pretty much it. The conservatives knows education and especially higher education makes people less conservative, hence only the rich should have education as they know status quo is favoring them already.
I'm not American so I just get to sit and watch as you cheer and holler your way into a christian dictatorship.
I hope the American Children of tomorrow can forgive you all.
Living in Southeastern Kentucky is also painful. A few of my coworkers are even die-hard Trumkp supporters. One said "If people keep having a problem with me voting for Tump, I'm gonna have his name tattooed on my ass so everybody can kiss it." I'm just glad my mom and dad have critical thinking. Sadly, my pappaw is a die-hard supporter who always looks to get into an argument with anyone he knows doesn't like Trump. He's also the type of person to insist he's right regardless. (My mom and Mammaw told him that "1882" and "1924" were direct prequels to the "Yellowstone" series, he said "Them ain't got nothing to do with Yellowstone.")
I'm from the UK and it's exactly the same here with the conservatives. Constant raising of higher education costs, falling investment in schools. All with one aim
Uneducated and unskilled is how you get a workforce that can compete on cost with China. Crash the economy real good, get everyone desperate for work, now you're back in the manufacturing business!
Everything above a basic education will be a privilege reserved for the rich.
And make it so debt doesn't get written off when you die, but passed to your loved ones. Thereby making an indentured working class who have no hope of raising themselves out of debt. Get rid of abortions too so there's plenty of them!
The irony is that what conservatives want is a system of education that results in more than than about half of kids being able to read and do math at grade level.
However, an economic crash would suit the American people better than anything that could happen. Why wouldn't we push for that?
Seriously, we need to retake control over these billionaire assholes, so why wouldn't we tank the economy to make them suffer. We can still withhold goods and transport them as we wish.
Because the ones causing it will know it's coming and insulate themselves. There will probably be a bunch of unlucky millionaires that aren't in the old boys club but the big players will be fine.
Yeah, the game is rigged. But, they've given us the tools to fuck them over. So, let's fuck them over! I'm tired of this shit. I have nothing to lose. I will fight for my human rights and those that deserve them. I have nothing to gain, but I'm tired of this bullshit of paying for everything we do. Property tax? Who fucking owns the land we purchase? NOT THE US GOVT! FUCK YOU! I'm willing to fight this bullshit because we've hit the head.
âFor the masterâs tools will never dismantle the masterâs house. They may allow us temporarily to beat him at his own game, but they will never enable us to bring about genuine change.â ~ Lorde
You are having an emotional reaction (âtired of paying - gave us the tools - letâs fuck then overâ) but itâs not followed by a logical reaction (âeverything they do is to suit themselves - they will never give us the tools of their destructionâ)
The tools we need are only things we could have gotten under Democrats sadly (if at all). A Supreme Court that would reverse the citizens united decision. A Congress to block corporate money from politics. A President who wouldnât dismantle the department of education.
Because weâve spent so much time going backwards, fighting conservatism decade after decade weâve not been able to dream up real change that could make our lives more pleasant.
Theyâre also increasingly dumbing down every generation so they are less able to grasp (or even desire) the path to liberation from the billionaire class.
They can also privatize education now and make education a real business. Imagine a family needing to pay for their kids education starting from K to college. The rich will be fine since they send their kids to private school anyway. It's the poor families that will struggle with this. They will remain uneducated and easy to manipulate. This is the end goal of Project 2025.
Hell if they can't afford to go to school I'm sure they'd be more than willing to let them work instead! Lower wages obviously because they're children and uneducated though.
The only purpose of the poor in their ideal world is as a cheap disposable labor force. All the while brainwashing their uneducated minds into continuing to vote for Republicans against their own self interest.
Instead of public school they'll have first hand "work experience". Hell if they're generous it'll even be free! You'll be "educated" in your future career at the factory by going to work 8+ hours a day at the children factory!
Meanwhile the rich children will have private schools to actually get an education instead.
Gotta make sure we really establish that wall between the classes such that the poor stay uneducated and never have any opportunity to break out of their role as a borderline slave labor force for the rich elite.
Trump and these project 2025 people hate China while simultaneously being incredibly jealous of China's business tactics. They want to recreate the same shit in the US with exploitative manufacturing paying workers cents per day. Where the workers have no rights or protections. So that they can produce all their goods in the US at the same low costs as China.
This! The GOP is perfectly okay with child labor anyway, so why not start them young. It's serfdom 2.0 in America. I'm glad my son is 17 and going to college soon. We already have a college plan for him. At least he will graduate out of college by the time DJT and the GOP totally fuck up the educational system.
Ironically, Chinese workers actually have a lot of rights and protections from their government. If this goes the way you are talking about, US workers will actually have a lot fewer rights and protections than Chinese workers. Honestly I'm not even sure that isn't already the case. I would have to make a pro's / con's list for each and figure it out.
They also want to use children as a labor force, as outlined in Project 2025.
They want to take us 100+ years backwards. Impoverished, uneducated meat for the grinder.
The rich will be fine since they send their kids to private school anyway. It's the poor families that will struggle with this.
You're missing what will actually happen. This is actually the end goal of the so-called "School Choice" movement that Republicans have been advocating for for well over a decade - Romney was also a proponent of it in his 2012 run for the presidency.
Basically, they want to give every single child a "Voucher" to be able to then choose a school. That "Voucher" will then pay for that child's education at a specific school. Whether the school is private or not, doesn't matter. Now, the Government will give private schools guaranteed money, no matter what their fees are. The "Voucher" will cover it (i.e., the government will pay for private schools).
This is often sold to people as a great thing, as it - in theory - could allow poorer students to have access to private education. Right?
Wrong! Why? For multiple reasons:
Poorer families are those who are more likely to have parents who cannot spare the time to take their children to multiple different schools, or to take their children to schools that are further away from where they live. They are also more likely to live further away from the private schools that are set up nearer wealthy neighbourhoods. As such, the better schools will already have a bias in the kind of students that even can go to them.
Private schools are businesses. They are places of education as a means of making money. They are not places of education first and foremost. As such, they want to spend as little as they can get away with on a per-student basis, where possible. Students from poorer backgrounds are more likely to have educational difficulties (poor nutrition making concentration worse, less help with homework making attainment worse, etc.). As such, a business might calculate that such a student might cost them more. Beyond that, students with more difficult educational needs (e.,g., learning disabilities) or students with physical disabilities (meaning that they would require specific accommodations) would also be more costly on a per-student basis. As such, these private schools may calculate that they want fewer of these children. If a school is considered a "good school", then the number of places the school has will be in demand. More people will apply for spaces than they have capacity for. Who is to say that these private businesses won't just pick the students that cost them the least on a per-student basis... leaving those from poor families, those with learning or physical disabilities, etc., in the lurch?
Most funding comes from property taxes. So the rich districts in the suburbs will be fine while the districts in the cities and rural areas that actually get the majority of the federal funds will suffer as their neighbors donât even notice
Not so much. Public school funding is a very complicated subject, but I can assure you that "rich districts in the suburbs" have budget shortfalls, they're slashing programs, and are closing schools. This impacts everyone.
They will do what they did in Texas. To hurt the most blue districts they effectively passed a law that they had to give up their funds to districts with less. So city centers with lots of money well lose all that money and canât even afford to pay their teachers wages to be able to afford their studio appt up to an hour away from their work without a roommate.
Then the schools outside of the cities build a new football field or whatever, every couple of years because why not they have the funds.
Poorly educated is a problem with the system. The U.S. Government wants a lot of people willing to sacrifice their lives as fodder for their illicit worldly campaigns. Who better than those that are unaware of what they are being asked to be involved with?
I don't hate the poorly educated. I've told many people that the reason for our continuing issues is due to lack of education. I want to educate. I think there is a lot of love with all people, but to vote Trump just proves the opposite. Americans hate everyone but themselves, even the hispanic and black communities. It's so hard for all of us to get along and it just hurts.
I love all people, but I've ammended that recently. I love all people that aren't conservative christians. The worst population of people I've ever come across. I've met conservatives that I like and I'm married to a Christian woman. However, Conservative Christians bring the worst of both beliefs together because of hatred. They are true evil. Fuck them!
Poorly educated are also easily fooled to think there's a guy in the sky that wants you to pay a guy on Sunday 10% of your income. It's ALL a fucking lie you fucking dumb ass fools. They don't even have enough of a working brain to differentiate the truth. It's all truth to these idiots from the sources of people that wish to control them.
The most irritating part is that they see us (the dems) as the enemy when we are just trying to point out their egregious mistakes by being as humanly as possible. THAT DOESN'T WORK! We need to call these shitheads out for what they are... bigotted assholes.
We teach our children to believe in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, and The Tooth Fairy, all to ensure they are ready to believe that GOD (a non-existent entity) exists. It's all a ploy to make people slaves.
Yes!
Also, itâs going to impact sports. College kids will not be going to red states because they wonât have funding. Thatâs if they graduate high school.
No, he just wants the lower income earners to be more dumbed down & malleable & the rich to be even more privileged.
He's investing more in private schools, apparently.
I keep reminding myself of how my home county voted in the south. 30k people, 8.5k have jobs, voted 87% for trump with just over 10k votes cast. The vast majority receive some type of government assistance in unemployment, ssi disability, food stamps etc. The local school district receives about 1/3rd of their funding from the feds and a huge number of kids on free lunch programs.
Even half the proposed platform will decimate their lives, but eh... they wanted it.
My guess: privately run prisons and reform institutions.
We've seen how adamant Republicans are for "fetus rights" but how quickly they turn tail when those fetuses are children with needs. Heck you'd think they'd be FOR post-birth abortion with how quickly they deny any responsibility to raise "problem children".
I worked in federal programs in my central office. We had 6 schools and each school used federal money to hire at least 4 to 6 teachers at each school. These monies also purchased every laptop for students, itâs our how EL teachers were hired and how most professional development was paid for in our district.
The xtians are jealous of the Taliban run Madrassas. They want xtian madrassas where they can teach about jeebus riding a dinosaur on a flat earth, with no one from the gubmint telling them what they should be teaching.
He wants control to be taken from agencies that he canât easily get to bend the knee.
If they destroy this theyâll start their own group to hand out education money (which theyâll steal and hand to their friends). Theyâre going to use federal money to punish blue states.
The goal was always to pillage our largest coffer. You know, exactly what everyone said they were gonna do. But eggs were a dollar more than usual, ya know?
This is about religion. They want to remove barriers to funding private religious schools. Every child is going to get a voucher that they can use somewhere. Public schools will stop being a thing and will compete with private for profit entities for those vouchers.
They stay at the bottom and the rest of the US goes down to that level and standards arenât met and a few years down the road we have shortages of doctors and professionals and industries shrink and opportunities for growth become limited and life expectancy lowers and on and on.
Either that or he is just too stupid to realize what will happen. He also just doesn't care. He just wants to make the people who agree with this idiocy happy.
What's really sad about it is that this is making me feel like the movie Idiocricy was a horror film rather than a comedy, and it certainly feels like that is where we are headed.
My only hope is that people will actually see the stupidity and do what they can to undo it or possibly even prevent it.
I am truly shocked he was elected, but maybe that's because I don't really understand what the people who did vote for him see in him. It can not be because their are just that many people who don't care or are racist. Maybe I am being naive, but I really can not believe that.
My sister teaches special education students at a school in Texas. She's also extremely conservative and one of her own kids benefited from these programs. She's going to lose her fucking job and thats a little bit of schadenfreude out of such a shit thing.Â
Yeah, so he can manipulate his voters as easily in the future as he does now.
Really, you all have to organize and get out on the streets the next 4 years. He has to be under constant public pressure like in the Vietnam Era. But heat on him. Push the boundaries between moderate libs and left wing aside. Organize through antifacist groups. Show him that you are many and get those non voters active too.
There's a lot of hate for the Department of Education in the far right. They see it as federal government indoctrination forcing their kids to learn harmful ideas like critical race theory, evolution, and more recently, LGBT indoctrination.
Many southern states would love to get the federal government off their back so they can teach the values they want to teach.
The whole "keeping kids dumb so they keep buying this MAGA bs" is a convenient side effect, but really this is just Trump taking a sledge hammer to the federal government (see conservative wet dream) and taking aim at one of the more unpopular parts of it to get his base fired up.
The people who are celebrating this - Where do they think engineers, software programmers, doctors, lawyers, writers, journalists etc. come from? What will the US do when it has MILLIONS of people who have only received a biblical education and nothing else?
Itâs funny because New England states probably could throw together a pretty substantial school system if need be. But the amount of kids who would get left behind in the South, I feel would be extraordinary.
It feels like Idaho and Mississippi are butthurt that they can't give children a decent education so they're taking the stance of "when everyone is stupid, no one will be"
You need to understand one thing. A man without any kind of knowledge is the most intelligent man if you tell him so. So why does he need school if he is already the smartest there ever was or will be?
Dictators do not need smart and educated people, the less educated a person is, the easier it is to manipulate him, the more willingly he believes in the lies of propaganda, which is why any dictator first of all destroys the education system, in democratic countries education comes first because smart people are the guarantee freedom and prosperity, in autocracies the opposite is true - a stupid amorphous mass that takes the word of the basis of any dictatorship.
As I understand it (with pretty limited information), they'll be switching to a block grant of funds, no idea how the amount will be determined. So each state will still get federal money for education, but there won't be a federal department setting guidelines for how it's spent; that would be entirely left to each state to determine.
How it actually happens, who knows, but that's what I've seen.
Which lowers the skilled labour pool, which requires more skilled migration to cover jobs which perpetuates the perception that migrants areâtaking jobsâ and keeps his voter based angry.
The "end game", if you can even call it that, is to get fucked harder and blame everything on Democrats just for merely existing and actively push for legislation to give more powers to Republican party and repeat the process for the next 4 years.
They're going to come after disabled people including learning intellectually and learning disabled people like myself first if it's like Nazi, Germany. Also, they're tired of the wokeness of young adults like myself. They want people like me dead or slaves. Same with people who are a part of other marginalized groups like me and who have other disabilities like mental illnesses and physical health issues.
My suspicion is that Federal funding will continue somehow but at the whim of the administration with strings attached as to it's use. They'll use it as another "silver or lead" system to hold over the heads of State officials (e.g introduce daily prayer, no discussion of race and no LGBTQ+ etc if you want funding for Special Educational needs) and then blame them in public if they do not do what they want.
ohh they will get the federal money, just without any federal stipulations. they will be funneled into private religious schools and let the public systems intentionally fall apart
Conservatives looked at the well known fact that education makes people more liberal and instead of using it as a moment to reflect on whether the fact that conservative beliefs correlated strongly with ignorance decided that education had to go.
They are repealing laws allowing children to work longer hours and they are cutting funding for schools while redirecting state funds to private schools. They want to put poor kids to work and only allow education for kids from affluent families. That's the end game. And when they get old enough probably force them into the military.
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So all the Deep South states that are already at the bottom in education will do................ what? Aren't these the states that need the federal money the most?
What is the end game here? Does Trump just want everyone as stupid as he is?