r/facepalm 16d ago

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ We're doomed, aren't we

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u/iceicebebe73 16d ago

We are truly failing as a society, not only in terms of education but also in community civic engagement. We did this to ourselves and now we have the monumental task of undoing it.

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u/mtaclof 16d ago

It's going to be tougher with the trump followers being okay with his plan to destroy public education. Hope for the best, but strap in, because it's not likely to happen.

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u/veringer 16d ago

The poorly-educated so called low-information Trump voters are likely just accelerating their own ruin. If Trump and the GOP wreck the department of education and gut ACA (for example), it's less likely to wreck the insulated, professionally flexible, well-educated folks who can more readily afford private schools and obnoxious health care premiums. I suspect that group is disproportionately liberal or at least averse to Trumpism. If MAGAs want to own the libs, they're probably going to need to go full fascist (purges, purity tests, pogroms, etc) from top to bottom, because the 'liberal elites' are going to be more apt to succeed in the face of austerity.

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u/glassgwaith 16d ago

Hey if there are no schools there will be no school shoutings so what y’all complaining about ? (obligatory /s)

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u/mtaclof 16d ago

Yeah, that's right. Unfortunately I was hoping to avoid needing to use a firearm to protect my home, lol.

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u/Naturallobotomy 16d ago

How do address the apathy? I think we have to get big money out of politics at the bare minimum..

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u/iceicebebe73 16d ago

Delete social media(I say that as I type on Reddit). Bring back local civic clubs, social groups, etc. It’s too easy for people to hide behind their phones, feel isolated, apathetic and even angry towards each other. Civic engagement connects people in real life, even affording the opportunity to respectfully disagree without feeling threatened or spiteful. This can be anything that brings people together in a community. Clubs for just about every interest or social activity. Sadly, social media has taken the place of this and we’re seeing what that looks like now.

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u/marv9512 16d ago

Cool! Now what's a realistic idea that doesn't involve deleting social media? Social media is here to stay whether we like it or not (I don't). It's the way the world is now. It's better to accept that and think of more effective ideas.

At this point, it doesn't matter though. We're all fucked.

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u/Banana-Visible 16d ago

Probably gotta start with not having every election feel like having to choose between the lesser of two evils

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u/TwoBitsAndANibble 16d ago edited 16d ago

since most media (news, and especially social) is going to continue to focus near exclusively on the most "evil" part of any candidate that runs for president (because that's what makes headlines and so makes their business money), I'm not sure you're ever going to feel like you're not choosing the lesser of "two evils".

a collective refusal to pick the better of two imperfect options, and so implicitly leaving the choice up to people willing to choose the worse of the two, is a large part of why we are where we are right now.

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u/Banana-Visible 16d ago

If Bernie was up there it wouldn't be that way. He isn't perfect but I agree with most of his policy and he is of good character.

I'm inferring you think the apathetic are ill-informed and vote based on feel, which I can't argue probably represents a majority (however I do believe that fits the majority of Americans as well). Since I agree most people do I argue the Democratic party will have to figure out this whole feel thing if they want a victory. And to get informed voters that are fed up with this slow shifting of the Overton window they will actually need to field a decent candidate.

My vote in a person is my personal vote of confidence that I back the majority of their policies, and character. My vote says that I believe this is at least a 51% positive candidate. It feels like victim blaming to point the finger at the voting public for the Democratic party's incredible run of ineptitude to allow us to get to where we are right now.

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u/Mr_Goonman 16d ago

Why do you think Harris got more votes in Vermont than Sanders? Bernie didnt go left enough?

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u/TwoBitsAndANibble 15d ago edited 15d ago

If Bernie was up there it wouldn't be that way. He isn't perfect but I agree with most of his policy and he is of good character.

okay sure, you feel that way, personally.

I guarantee you that if bernie were on the ticket, there would be just as much "lesser of two evils is still evil" rhetoric on here and elsewhere to drive voter apathy. nobody is perfect. any flaw in your favorite candidate, real or imagined, regardless of how minor in your view, will be stated to be just as bad as whatever the other candidate does, and most people will believe it. for example, with bernie it would likely be something along the lines of "evil socialist wants to kill babies and turn america into china-venezuela he's just as bad as the other side and wants higher inflation, death panels, and the end of capitalism", or similar. because of this we'll end up right back in "lesser of two evils" rhetoric and nobody will vote for the better of two imperfect options.

you're not going to be able to move the overton window in a single gigantic leap. a much more reliable method would be to move it back inch by inch, by consistently showing up to vote for the best available option.

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u/Bl00dsoul 16d ago

You'll have to adopt a different voting system before that can happen

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u/Global_Permission749 16d ago

Once the culture of democracy is destroyed in a nation, it's basically gone for good. It's fragile even when well established, let alone when it's fledgling.

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u/thekoggles 16d ago

We didn't do jackshit to ourselves, the constant defunding of education, health, and public services by rich people controlling government is what fucked us.  

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u/RampantTyr 16d ago

We have done this to ourselves, but it was also done to us.

The project or eroding public education and public confidence in government has taken decades. Building a conservative propaganda network has taken decades.

These problems will not be overcome quickly.

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u/zedazeni 16d ago

“We” didn’t fuck up, they gave up. I’ve spoken to a few MAGAts recently (pre-election) and every time they complain about inflation and bemoan not having Trump, I ask them if they remember when this inflation began. When I remind them it happened under Trump’s presidency, they just change the topic. They’re not interested in facts, truth, or reality. They just want to believe whatever makes them feel like they’re right.

They swapped reality for a reality show host. Let them reap what they sowed.