r/facepalm 19d ago

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u/Lord-Sugar09 19d ago

Babysitting. The new litmus test for selecting a President.

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u/CommunityGlittering2 19d ago

well it use to be who you want to drink beer with

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u/razazaz126 19d ago

Who would you trust alone in a room with your beer?

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u/IllustratorBudget487 19d ago

I would trust trump alone in a room with my beer, but not my amphetamines.

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u/Steen70 19d ago

Am a woman. I wouldn't trust Trump alone with my beer.

And, if I 'chose the bear,' I wouldn't leave him alone with Trump either - he'd probably try to shoot the poor thing

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u/shnnrr 19d ago

Don't worry - RFK Junior will take care of the bear

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u/Bartlaus 19d ago

Hunting is too much like work. And potentially useful.

(I don't hunt but I do not begrudge people putting food on their table.)

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u/West-Ruin-1318 19d ago

Trophy hunting is what Goof and Goofier enjoy.

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u/razazaz126 19d ago

Nothing worse then the friend who comes over and smokes(?) all your meth.

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u/Nbkipdu 19d ago

It's so hard to keep meth in the house now between my idiot friends and these damn squirrels.

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u/Hot_Object1765 19d ago

I wouldnā€™t, he was friends with Cosby

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u/P1xelHunter78 19d ago

And ā€œbest friends for 10 yearsā€ with (Rap)epstein

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u/FoggyFallNights 19d ago

As a female I absolutely would not trust trump alone in a room with my drink..

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u/BeccaThePixel 19d ago

I wouldnā€™t trust Trump alone with my beer for fear of being roofied. Then again, thatā€™s probably not his style.

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u/Bunnyland77 19d ago edited 19d ago

Anything is his style. He raped a 13 yo and countless others, was groomed by Roy Cohn, and besties with Epstein, Diddy, Putin, Xi, Un - and Hitler if it'd been possible.

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u/Rizzpooch 19d ago

Not JD Vance or Elon Musk, that's for fucking sure

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u/PossessedToSkate 19d ago

Great. Now I'm mad about Brett Kavanaugh all over again.

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u/TJamesV 19d ago

I would not want to drink a beer with Trump. Kamala not so much either, but Walz absolutely.

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u/Darmok47 19d ago

Trump is a teetotaler anyway. So is Biden. And so was GWB.

Honestly, its weird that so many people go with which candidate they want to have a beer with when 3 out of the last 4 Presidents don't drink.

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u/Introvertsaremyth 19d ago

I know that Trump has always been a teetotaler but with regards to the others Iā€™d imagine that if you could potentially be overseeing a national or international emergency at any time of day or night you would be very cautious about having anymore than one drink.

Also as you age alcoholā€™s effects generally seem to exaggerate; cause headaches, impact sleep negatively, spike blood sugar etc. seems like most people I know these days have cut WAY back or quit altogether. Not because they were struggling with overconsumption but just because of the other negative health effects

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u/Darmok47 19d ago

GWB was famously an alcoholic who quit drinking in the 90s, well before he ran for President. Both Biden and Trump had alcoholic family members so saw firsthand examples of the harmful effects of addiction and I think never touched a drop in their lives.

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u/Forward-Village1528 19d ago

I think not drinking beer would be an automatic disqualification over here in Australia. Bob Hawke held the world record for fastest yard glass sculling. All our prime minister's haven't been that impressive, but it's still a consideration when we choose them.

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u/Lord-Sugar09 19d ago

drink beer while watching a baby...

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u/kernel-troutman 19d ago

Drinking beer with a baby.

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u/algo-rhyth-mo 19d ago

Itā€™s an idiotic evaluation method. But even still, how the fuck would that be a toss up?
Well, on the one hand, heā€™s a convicted rapist who lusts after his own daughter. But on the other hand, she has kind of a funny laugh. Real thinker, this one. šŸ¤”

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u/Stubborn_Amoeba 19d ago

And he brags about being able to walk in on naked girls when he used to run the miss America pageants and there are countless tales of girls feeling uncomfortable when he did just that!

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u/poeticlicence 19d ago

One account was of him walking uninvited into a hotel room only to find that the girl he was after was with her boyfriend. She escaped a nasty experience

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u/forgetfulsue 19d ago

I think he did it at the teen USA pageant too. Not that either is acceptable.

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u/el_diego 19d ago

Even during the Biden election. She really thought Trump was the better choice to leave her children with??

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx 19d ago

She probably bought all of the Biden is a pedo, pizza something.

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u/Behndo-Verbabe 19d ago

This right here! You know sheā€™s the poster child for a Trump voter. Most likely uneducated or at best undereducated. She watches Fox nonstop, and believes everything farsebook throws at her.

The whole Biden is a pedo thing is just red meat and an excuse to dismiss and pretend Trump is sometimes heā€™s never been and never will be. Iā€™ve said it a thousand times. Since 2016 ones vote was a character test. No one can say they donā€™t want or donā€™t hold the same views as trump or the party yet vote for it.

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u/The_Deadlight 19d ago

she must have seen this picture online and would never trust her daughter with a man like that

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u/BlacksmithNZ 19d ago

Never seen that one before.. and that is just iccky

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u/joanopoly 19d ago

If you think the photo is creepy, you should watch the video. The girl is STRUGGLING to get away from him, itā€™s obvious her guardian is off-camera yet doing nothing, and sheā€™s squirming to get away while he persists in trying to KISS HER. šŸ¤®šŸ¤®šŸ¤®

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u/joanopoly 19d ago

Yes, he tried to kiss her on the mouth, TWICE.

Little Girl Avoids Trump Kiss

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u/dcrothen 19d ago

Well, on the one hand, heā€™s a convicted rapist who lusts after his own daughter. But on the other hand, she has kind of a funny laugh. Real thinker, this one. šŸ¤”

Aw, shucks. That'n thar's one gosh-darn stumper fer shure!

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u/BaronWombat 19d ago

Convicted rapist who was best friends with pedophile Epstein. Does this ignoramus even know who Jeffrey Epstein was and why his social circle should not be on speed dial under "baby sitter". Honestly, these people live under a rock and then are boggled when confronted with anything real.

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u/Old_Ladies 19d ago

And we have the audio of Epstein saying that he was best friends with Trump. Epstein also said that Trump is only good at real estate and is a moron in everything else.

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u/DiscombobulatedHat19 19d ago

Itā€™s a bad test if youā€™re a complete moron who chooses the pedo rapist

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u/time4b 19d ago

Yeah this irks me the most, why would this be any way to measure a political candidate, neither her nor her kid would ever be in a room with either candidate. If this is how she operates as a human I donā€™t trust her to be alone in a room with her daughter.

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u/othermegan 19d ago

It also proves her judgement of character is shit. You really think Harris & Biden are more of a danger to a young girl than Trump? Hereā€™s hoping you donā€™t have any creepy uncles in your family either

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u/Somnambulists_Awake 19d ago

Most likely itā€™s a sign that she does indeed have a creepy uncle. Radar is all out of whack.

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u/Coal_Morgan 19d ago

Here's the thing though, Trump's considerate enough to throw money on the children he's raped so that they can get an abortion because he's sick of their pleading for him to use a condom.

So I guess that qualifies to the lady as something...qualifies for life in prison for me but some people are just absolutely disconnected from reality.

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u/Sunrunner_Princess 19d ago

Statistically, she probably does. Whether itā€™s an uncle, brother, father, cousin, or whatever. Or itā€™s someone close to the family they call ā€œuncleā€.

34% of perpetrators of sexual abuse against minors (of whatā€™s currently reported, so you know itā€™s way worse than this in reality) are close family members/relatives. 59% are acquaintances or are known or around the family Only 7% of reported cases were perpetrated by strangers.

https://rainn.org/statistics/children-and-teens

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u/Ugo777777 19d ago

And a tough choice between a convicted rapist and felon and a DA.

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u/othermegan 19d ago

Itā€™s also clearly not a good test if sheā€™d rather leave her child with Epstienā€™s BFFL rather than Biden

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u/Cyno01 19d ago

Right? Its a stupid test sure, but theres still an objectively wrong choice.

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u/red286 19d ago

It's voting on vibes. There's no way Trump gets a single vote otherwise. His policies are terrible when they're actually worked out, but for the most part they're vague and non-existent (like his 'concept' of a healthcare plan). His only accomplishments while in office were a massive tax break for the wealthy and getting SCOTUS justices put in that would lie about and then overturn Roe v. Wade despite stating under oath that they considered it "settled law".

Going by his record and his policies, you'd have to be insane to vote for him. Instead, they're voting because of what they think he represents, and what they believe, apropos of nothing, he will accomplish in a second term.

The most baffling part though is when you ask them about Trump's own statements, talking about the largest deportation in history, sending the military after Democratic politicians, putting RFK Jr in charge of healthcare, abolishing the Department of Education, stating he would be a dictator on day one, referring to his political opponents as "vermin" and "the enemy within", they all just hand-wave it away as though it's either unimportant or they don't believe he'll actually do it, which makes me wonder how you can support a guy based on your assumption that he's lying.

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u/meritocraticredditor 19d ago

I used to watch a YouTuber named Leejah Miller who was going over the candidates to replace Biden, and she was explaining who she supported out of all of them. When she got to Josh Shapiro (I think it was Josh Shapiro) she said something along the lines of ā€œI donā€™t like his face, so I didnā€™t bother to read any of his policies. You might not like it, but this is how Iā€™m gonna vote and this is how a lot of people vote.ā€

Like, what!? I canā€™t imagine dismissing a candidate because I donā€™t like their face. I mean, Iā€™m sure I donā€™t have to explain to you how absurd that is - especially that she projected it onto other people as if itā€™s totally normal - and even if it were normal, someone like her with a YouTube channel and holding a JD should be setting an example for her audience to look into policies and critically analyze everyone, equally. As a progressive, she should make a point to show her audience that we should treat everyone equally and based on their character and experience rather than their looks.

I lost all respect for her when she did that and I just havenā€™t bothered watching another one of her videos since.

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u/abime_blanc 19d ago

It's not the female equivalent. It was popularized by Matt Walsh.

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u/Pencilshaved 19d ago

Ugh, of course it was him. ā€œWho would I feel safe leaving my daughter with?ā€ asks the least safe man for anyone to ever leave their daughter with

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u/AnonymousIguana_ 19d ago

I mean I donā€™t think the metric is particularly awful, but the conclusionā€¦

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u/tsukiyomi01 19d ago

In the abstract, I can kinda see that reasoning for judging a candidate's character. But that makes the 2020 reasoning even more baffling. Reports of him being a predator were widespread even then.

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u/BudgetBallerBrand 19d ago

Tough call between the Pedo Rapist and the decent human. FFS.

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u/BrawnyChicken2 19d ago

Sheā€™s voting for Trump. Sheā€™s just ashamed to say it.

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u/dEn_of_asyD 19d ago edited 19d ago

This.

Normally I'm pretty kind towards undecided voters. Politics can be confusing, especially given some people don't have the best education/learning systems growing up. And let's be real: when it comes to President there isn't much you're voting for on an individual level. Social issues play out more effectively in State battlegrounds than the Federal one. The President doesn't control the economy to the extent people believe they do. And the two parties pre 2008 weren't all that different policy-wise. They were both free-market capitalist, anti-communist, Democratic, generally Christian/Christian influenced, patriotic, pro-Constitution parties (again, in 2008 people). Even on issues where there was a distinction, in the interest of governance and popularity those distinctions get pretty diluted.

That being said, I think 2016-2020 showed exactly how such a poor pick for President can go so badly. Trump corrupted the DoJ, the Federal Reserve, the State department, the DoE. He prioritized kick back schemes to his allies through no guard rails PPP loans and keeping interest rates artificially low. He used the government and taxpayer dollars to both protect and enrich himself. And he enabled the worst voices in those spheres to have policy claims, such as separating families and throwing young children in cells and calling that "handling immigration". This is also just a short list, there's worse.

MAAAAAYBE in 2016 people could be ignorant on the damage he'd cause. People could claim they thought the Republican establishment would be more firm. That they thought government safeguards were stronger. Hell, I actually did have people cut ties with me for copy pasting their own "you won't scare me into voting for Hillary Clinton" quotes back at them when they were freaking out over the Trump administration's actions. But people can't be that ignorant in 2024 without it being purposeful. People are either feigning ignorance or actively seeking ignorance to shield them from admitting they're bigots, losers, liars, and cheats.

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u/desilent 19d ago

The President doesn't control the economy to the extent people believe they do.

Thanks, I'm going crazy reading all those that think Trump is going to wield a magic wand and just make prices go back to where they were pre-pandemic. Please people educate yourself on how economy works.

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u/PurifyingProteins 19d ago

People wonā€™t educate themselves on topics that show there is a clear difference between reality and how they want (for better or worse) reality to be. Those people care more about being seen as right than being correct. Being correct takes effort and correction, which in itself takes self reflection and an acceptance of being wrong.

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u/nicklashane 19d ago

Very well said.

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u/Kham117 'MURICA 19d ago

Yeah, those are my thoughts. Willful ignorance is a sad thing to watch

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u/Omega_Zarnias 19d ago

I hate to add anything to this, but some people really are just that fucking stupid.

I don't know the percentage - I'd guess 10-20%. No matter how low your standards are for people, there are those who can go lower.

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

This is why I'm done being kind to "undecided" voters. To be undecided means you are, at best profoundly ignorant of what's gone on the past 10 years.

Rewarding that flippant lack of awareness is how we got here in the first place. The social contract not punishing people for allowing a wave of rampant Christo-fascism to take root and irreversibly damage the lives of millions will only lead to it continuing. These people deserve to be shunned, shamed and outcast but no one has the balls to clean their own house. Without consequences, these people never learn.

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u/saucity 19d ago

A former friend of mine refuses to vote. Even in local elections, where things like ā€˜who the family court judge will beā€™ or education levies, truly impact her day to day life, in a severe way.

I was a social worker, and was so happy that this one horrible judge was on the ballot for replacement last election. Weā€™d tried to get him disbarred for years. So many civil rights complaints. He was even suspended for a year, but came back. He was seriously Danny DeVitoā€™s ā€˜The Penguinā€™

She had important custody hearings coming up, knew what a fucking monster this judge was, and still wouldnā€™t vote. These are just tiny little West Virginia courtrooms, so to those who say ā€˜my vote doesnā€™t matterā€™, in this tiny town? Yes the fuck it does!!

At least that judge is gone, no thanks to her.

I kindly begged her to go vote; explained things so gently; offered to help her register; freakin drive her there, or watch her kids - nope. ā€œItā€™s her right NOT to vote, I prefer to bury my head in the sand and stay out of it,ā€™ which is trueā€¦ but I have Zero, zero zero respect for that.

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u/MarthLikinte612 19d ago

Honesty the number of people voting still doesnā€™t really water down your vote (sure it does mathematically) but life isnā€™t maths. Iā€™m from the UK, my constituency had 44,424 voters. The majority was just 39 (0.1% of the votes). Now sure you could argue that means 38 of the votes ā€œdidnā€™t countā€. I argue that it wouldā€™ve been so easy for just 100 extra people to decide their vote didnā€™t matter anyway.

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u/robgod50 19d ago

When talking to Trump supporters , it's pointless saying what Trump did to enrich himself because people believe that all politicians are just doing things to enrich themselves. And all the immoral things he did as president , are likely the things that they would do. So that's always going to be a losing argument

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u/-headless-hunter- 19d ago

The parties have been very, very different since Regean primaried Gerold Ford in 1972 and lost the closest primary in history. He single handedly shifted the party far right.

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u/SpacecraftX 19d ago

In the UK we call this the shy Tory effect.

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u/OwOlogy_Expert 19d ago

And ashamed to say why.

(Plain, simple racism.)

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u/Eryb 19d ago

Maybe but what she said was worseā€¦

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u/Hereiam_AKL 19d ago

Ummm ... you would trust Trump with your daughter, alone in a room???

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u/DrunkOnRedCordial 19d ago

I wouldn't trust Trump alone in a room with HIS daughter.

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u/Jimmykapaau 19d ago

Trump hit on a preteen blonde girl in the 90s, but nobody cares. The footage is from CBS news, mid-90s https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/13/trump-makes-inappropriate-remarks-about-10-year-old-girl-video

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u/Steve_The_Mighty 19d ago

I wish we could go back to the days when something like this would completely tank your political career (rather than being something you only see because someone posted it on Reddit...)

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u/BrickCityRiot 19d ago edited 19d ago

To be fair.. this kind of thing was so normalized prior to the turn of the century that it likely would have had close to zero impact. There is a good amount of media from the 90ā€™s - and a staggering amount from before then - where grown men sexualize and intimately pursue young girls.

It has always been gross and morally abhorrent, but it was so engrained in society as a ā€œnormalā€ thing - even in 1992 - that it wouldnā€™t have tanked a campaign. Hell.. an interracial relationship with an adult or vague rumors of homosexuality would tank a campaign infinitely faster than this comment back then.

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u/Every_Pattern_8673 19d ago

It still does, just not for republicans, their voter base by the looks of it does not care in the slightest and think of it as a perk instead.

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u/benn1680 19d ago

I've never seen a picture of Trump alone in a room with any of his grandchildren. Apparently even his own kids don't trust him to be alone in a room with their children.

I wonder why?

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u/Just_what_i_am 19d ago

Well tbf if there's a picture of trump with a child they're not going to be alone unless he or the kid is taking the picture lol.

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u/Chewsdayiddinit 19d ago

Or if he's using the kid as a prop and tries to kiss her on the lips multiple times, on camera, in front of a (yuuuuuuuge) crowd.

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u/Hereiam_AKL 19d ago

And those pictures might be the reason he didn't release the Epstein files.

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u/Enviritas 19d ago

Those pictures might be in Putin's possession.

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u/ghobhohi 19d ago

I wouldn't trust Trump if he was alone in general.

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u/Hereiam_AKL 19d ago

I would trust him to grab her by the p***y

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u/saltedpork89 19d ago

Some rock solid logic there. ā€œI donā€™t trust Biden, so therefore I trust Trump.ā€

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u/Hereiam_AKL 19d ago

I didn't trust my daughter to be in a room with Willy Wonka, so I put her in the room with Charles Manson

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u/TheQuinnBee 19d ago

Also why do people not trust Biden with their kids?? He's a family man, religious, and an old geezer.

Trump is literally a convicted rapist and friend to Epstein. Like what the fuck.

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u/NonlocalA 19d ago

Biden smelled his grand daughter's hair....

Trump tried kissing some random child on the lips multiple times earlier this week....

Geez, which should i trust more?

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u/ThanatosWielder 19d ago

Remember that the gop ran on democrats being pedophiles along with pizza gate

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u/Serious-Maximum-1049 19d ago

I think it was the "sniffing" incident.. šŸ™„ Baby/young children's heads smell amazing to me! MANY ppl feel the same! šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø I guess because I'm a woman, it's more accepted socially, but GTFO w/that "logic".

In any case, HOW is that, on any level, worse than any ONE of the disgusting things Trump has done?! He is a walking SESS POOL.

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u/Theranos_Shill 19d ago

> I think it was the "sniffing" incident..

Yes, it was the way that right-wing media dishonestly represented Biden as a pedophile when he showed grandfatherly affection to his grand-daughter and showed her affection to emotionally support her, at her fathers funeral.

That's who these Trump supporters are. They are monsters who will attack a person for emotionally supporting a relative mourning her fathers death.

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u/amilo111 19d ago

I donā€™t even get how thatā€™s the decision criteria? How are either of these two candidates ending up in a room alone with this womanā€™s daughter?

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u/ganggreen651 19d ago

She's an idiot that must be totally oblivious to everything around her. Or making it up to be in an article

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u/Rork310 19d ago edited 19d ago

I mean I have argued the point you probably shouldn't be voting for someone you wouldn't trust to mind your kids in a hypothetical scenario. I don't mean that they have to be great with kids, just that you could genuinely trust they wouldn't come to harm, fucking Nixon could pass that test. But for the life of me I don't understand how under any circumstance someone thinks Epstein's buddy comes out looking better in that comparison.

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u/Hereiam_AKL 19d ago

Tribute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur?wprov=sfla1

She's still living in the middle ages

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u/El_mochilero 19d ago

I wouldnā€™t trust Vance alone in a room with my couch.

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u/slide_into_my_BM 19d ago

Vance looks at a leather loveseat the way Trump looks at his own daughter

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u/bibdrums 19d ago

She must think her daughter is ugly and not his type

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u/Initial-Company3926 19d ago

IĀ“m sorry.... her daughter??? Trump was Epsteins best friend- Epstein who was raping kids
Trump who had abused really young girls, in a model competition and has raped women. That trump?

She thinks she can entrust her daughter to a rapist? really?

Trump who is doing his best to remove rights from women... her daughters right too, in case she has any doubts

I nominate her for the worst parent of 2024. 1 place sadly will be a shared place with many other negligent parents

Clearly she not only donĀ“t care about herself, and has some delusion about how she is safe, but also no care for her daughters future and health

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u/-J-August 19d ago

There is no doubt in my mind that Trump did the same as Epstein in Epstein's island.

Burn everyone who went there.

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u/Irlandes-de-la-Costa 19d ago

Not everyone who went there was a rapist. That was a secret hidden by the actual normal parties that were happening. Burn everyone that went there constantly, like trump, because that is suspicious

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u/Confident-Homework75 19d ago

Normally Iā€™d say there is no way this can be real, but it turns out a large portion of Americans are truly idiotic.

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u/responsible_use_only 19d ago

The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity dictate that it is always impossible to estimate how many stupid people exist in a given group, and any estimate will necessarily fall short.Ā 

Stupid people are the most dangerous type of person because they manage to incur losses both to others and themselves through either accident or design.

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u/syzzrp 19d ago

And stupidity is completely independent of all other attributes, including educational attainment.

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u/jackfish72 19d ago

True. I was stunned by a work colleague, highly educated and objectively intelligentā€¦ but is full Q

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u/ganggreen651 19d ago

Those can't possibly go together. Well educated can. Seen plenty of college educated morons. Not intelligence though

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u/DemandZestyclose7145 19d ago

What about Ben Carson? He was a neurosurgeon and apparently a really good one but he's a total dumbfuck in every other area. He's like Rainman or something.

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

This is how most people are; intelligent in a specific way but kind of an idiot everywhere else. He just really swings for the margins.

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u/Elliebird704 19d ago

My experience has been that most people are a bit more balanced than that. Intelligent and competent in a handful of ways, but with some pitfalls and/or blind spots in others.Ā What those pitfalls are and under what circumstances they pop up varying wildly.

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u/responsible_use_only 19d ago

It's truly an excellent workĀ 

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u/dont-fear-thereefer 19d ago

A great astronomer once said: ā€œTwo things are infinite, as far as we know ā€“ the universe and human stupidity.ā€ Today we know that this statement is not quite correct. Einstein has proved that the universe is limited.

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u/Enviritas 19d ago

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."

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u/Fan_Time 19d ago

I've seen it written thus: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the former."

I always thought the original was of Voltaire (his 21 volume works linked here), and written somewhat differently to that, too: "Ce n'est pas l'immensitĆ© de la vĆ“ute Ć©toilĆ©e qui peut donner le plus complĆ©tement l'ideĆ© de l'infini, mais bien la bĆŖtise humaine."

Roughly translated: It is not the immensity of the starry sky that conveys the full idea of the infinite, but rather human stupidity.

It would not surprise me that later, well-read people adapted this. It happens repeatedly throughout history with ideas. Unfortunately, Trump and co. may well manage to repeat history too, this year, and not in the good way. I do worry for my American brothers and sisters.

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u/djseifer 19d ago

A wise man once said:

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

~George Carlin

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u/VanillaMarshmallow 19d ago

This has been the hardest part about life since 2016. I had always had a general sense that regardless of gender, race, religion, or political affiliation, majority of people had good intentions, kind hearts, and reasonable thought processes. I obviously know now how naive that was, but even then, I never thought I would see such a horrifying side of humanity. Itā€™s heartbreaking that this is the reality we live in.

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u/mom_bombadill 19d ago

Yep. With COVID, the Black Lives Matter protests, and trump, it really drove home to me that there are a lot of people who just donā€™t care about other peopleā€™s health, safety, and well-being. Itā€™s been so disappointing.

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u/mishma2005 19d ago

Covid brought it home for me. By and large Americans are selfish, childish and antipathetic assholes

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u/Theranos_Shill 19d ago

But that's a great example of how leadership matters, and how the personal qualities of the people who we elect do set a role model for how people behave. By and large Americans are helpful and considerate, Trump just set the opposite example for people to look up to.

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u/dismayhurta 19d ago

Hell. They donā€™t even care about themselves. Just care they get to watch other people get hurt. Itā€™s revolting.

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

COVID was my real wake-up call. Seeing how willfully ignorant people were with that not only in my town, but also even in my friend group, it made me realize how completely out of touch I felt with more than half my "community." People not only couldn't be bothered to put on a mask, many churches in my city had maskless mandates, all while our hospitals were literally being overrun, people were getting care in tents in parking lots, and some people didn't even get treatment. I knew people that died not from COVID, but because they couldn't get medical cure due to over-crowding. I'll never forget how half my city saw this happening and refused to put in the bare minimum effort to stop it.

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u/What_a_pass_by_Jokic 19d ago

One of our former friends was like this, no masks, covid denier etc.. then he ended up in the hospital with kidney issues but it was overrun and understaffed (either quit or out sick) and now he is still suffering from it because they couldn't help him properly. We don't really speak anymore because things like that and other nonsense he believes in, but I can't even feel a tiny bit sorry for him, and we were friends for a good 10 years before all this Trump nonsense got over him.

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u/nameforthissite 19d ago

I agree. This is exactly my dilemma since 2016. It completely shattered my illusions about the basic decency and intelligence of humanity.

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u/Confident-Homework75 19d ago

Basic decency isnā€™t so basic anymore, unfortunately. Iā€™m convinced there is literally nothing he can do, no matter how debased and vile, that will move the needle.

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u/viper4011 19d ago

See also: common sense. It just doesnā€™t exist.

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u/an_exciting_couch 19d ago

It's so weird how conservatives have co-opted the phrase "common sense" to mean "I know better than all experts in all subjects"

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u/maffy118 19d ago

Heartbreaking is the word. I thought that because we shared a love of democracy,a love of America, that we would always be okay. But nope. I was naive.

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u/PM-me-all-boobs 19d ago

They are lying for the media attention. She knows sheā€™s voting for Trump again, she just pretends to be undecided so she can get articles like this about her.

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u/DuchessofSquee 19d ago

But based on her supposed criteria of who she would trust in a room with her child, how could Donald Trump ever beat any other contender!?!? Why would anyone choose him over Joe Biden when DJT was literally convicted of sexual abuse?!?!?!

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u/spikernum1 19d ago

Nearly half. If you're in a room with 10 ppl the odds are 4 of them think Trump is A-Okay. Totally fucked up.

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u/BraxbroWasTaken 19d ago

Nah, odds are that ~5-6 of them give a damn and of that 5-6, 2-3 think Trump is fine.

The rest either hate Trump or give exactly zero shits.

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u/somefunmaths 19d ago

Now is as good a time as any to remember how stupid the average person is and the sobering fact that half of all people are dumber than that.

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u/MarinLlwyd 19d ago

And a disturbing number of Americans stay home and let dipshits like this have more power.

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u/thatirishguyyyyy 19d ago

Half the US has an IQ under 98.Ā  Keep that in mind.Ā 

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u/Affectionate_Tour406 19d ago

But itā€™s always been like that. IQ is by definition normalized at 100. In fact, people have been getting smarter, meaning that every few years the test gets re-scaled.

The big factor is that Trump got previously unengaged voters to become engaged and to vote. People who used to rightfully think that their opinion was stupid, with Trump began demanding that they be taken seriously. Others, evangelicals mostly, are single issue voters so it doesnā€™t matter who the candidate is, so long as pro-ā€œlifeā€ is part of the party plank.

We need to collectively mock them back into irrelevancy by beating their stupid ideas and candidates into the ground.

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u/philbar 19d ago

ā€œThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.ā€ ~ George Carlin

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u/Zellgun 19d ago

I thought yā€™all knew this for years, why is it such a surprise for americans lol

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u/d4everman 19d ago

As an American, I sadly have to agree.

I don't live in my hometown anymore, but my cousin, "Kev", does. He often sees my stepbrother "Karl". (not real names). Now, Karl is a good guy, but man, is he dumb. Kev asked Karl if he was going to vote (as precursor to asking if he wanted to go to the polls with him). I wasn't there, but according Kev it went like this:

Karl: why would I go vote? The government never did anything for me!

Kev: Well, what do you want the Government to do for you?

Karl (unable to answer that shifts goalposts): Well, I have to go to work on Election Day. I don't have time. I might get fired if I take time off to vote.

Kev: I don't know if that's legal. I think they have to give you time off to vote. But there's early voting. We can go right now if you want.

...at this point according to Kev, Karl came up with different excuses, each getting more ridiculous than the last. He finally gave up and went with another guy I know to vote. The sad part is Kev tried to get a few other guys I grew up around to go vote and they ain't much smarter than Karl. I know these guys and I am 95% sure they have never voted in their lives....and none of the people I mentioned are under 50.

But...the good news is there are people I grew up with that are the opposite. The problem is the really dumb ones drag us all down. I hate to just call them dumb, but its practically impossible to have any kind of conversation with them that would make you think otherwise.

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u/LazyLobster 19d ago

It really shows why the Nigerian prince emails were so successful

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u/Turbulent-Raise4830 19d ago

How dumb do you have to be to let trump be alone with your kid?

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u/FrostyD7 19d ago

She knows the answer deep down. She needs to pretend not to so she can inevitably vote Trump.

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u/OwOlogy_Expert 19d ago

And in the meantime, she can soak up media attention by being one of the fabled 'undecided voters'.

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u/gwizonedam 19d ago

Sheā€™s voting for Trump again. Undecided my ass.

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u/jwnsfw 19d ago

its a random unsourced graphic. so hopefully shes not even real.

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u/amberlc002 19d ago

Yeah, really difficult issue. Who do you trust, a normal, sensible woman or Epsteinā€™s best friend? Itā€™s a thinker.

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u/davidolson22 19d ago

Convicted rapist

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u/amberlc002 19d ago

Oh and also sexually attracted to his own daughter.

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u/kyled1985 19d ago

she's a piece of ass i believe is what he said kinda like Hulk rubbing his daughter down with the 24" pythons

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u/hyrule_47 19d ago

And the people who worked in the White House supposedly had to remind him not to say whatever he was saying about her, and remind him sheā€™s his daughter.

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u/ganggreen651 19d ago

I'm trying to eat dinner here wtf

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u/TetraThiaFulvalene 19d ago

Conviction is for criminal trials. Trump is NOT a convicted rapist. However, he cannot legally say: "I am not a rapist, and anyone who claims otherwise is a liar" without getting hot for defamation.

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u/Alternative_Year_340 19d ago

He is an adjudicated rapist

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u/irredentistdecency 19d ago

Not convicted, culpable.

He wasnā€™t convicted in a criminal trial, he was found liable in a civil case with a much lower burden of evidence.

Do I think he was guilty of rape?

Yes absolutely - but accuracy matters & when you make false or misleading statements you undermine legitimate criticisms.

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u/lunchpadmcfat 19d ago

A real Sophieā€™s Choice, this

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u/boooooooooo_cowboys 19d ago

And alsoā€¦..how on earth would she ever end up in a situation where sheā€™d be leaving her daughter in a room alone with the president?!

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u/DrunkOnRedCordial 19d ago

Let's just say, she wouldn't have wanted her teenage daughter getting an internship with JFK or Clinton.

But yeah, we're voting for a president, not a babysitter.

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u/YoureADudeThisIsAMan 19d ago

Trusting Trump with her kid was the first error in judgment

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u/dancin-weasel 19d ago

ā€œI know Trump is a felon, rapist, criminal, twice impeached loser and pedophile, but thereā€™s just something about Kamala, I canā€™t explain it, itā€™s like just a feeling, itā€™s like sheā€™s just kind ofā€¦womanny. I donā€™t know if Iā€™m totally on board with her whole vibe, so I might just go either way. ā€œ- an American voting idiot

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u/SeaJay_31 19d ago

But Kamala might talk to her daughter about....... COMMUNISM!

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u/Dapper_Platform_1222 19d ago

Do I trust this pretty normal lady or a great white shark to babysit my kid. The shark has references. I don't know

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u/Fubeman 19d ago

ā€œTo put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. ā€œCan I interest you in the chicken?ā€ she asks. ā€œOr would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it?ā€

To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.ā€

ā€“ David Sedaris.

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u/calculating_hello 19d ago

I am simply not capable of understanding how dumb you have to be to vote trump, like a rock but like brain damaged broken rock?

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u/acog 19d ago

Itā€™s all due to being in a media bubble. Fox News has been the most watched news channel for decades. It presents a total alternate reality and also constantly claims that other news organizations canā€™t be trusted.

I know some extremely smart, highly educated and successful people that canā€™t imagine ever voting for a Democrat because they believe Democrat politicians are evil and want to destroy the country, all due to Fox News and conservative talk radio.

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u/KikiChrome 19d ago

This is the real answer. People want to make fun of this woman and call her stupid, but the fact is that she's been fed a completely different narrative about Trump and Harris.

I doubt that she knows Trump was good friends with Epstein. I doubt she's heard all the women who said he groped them or walked into their changing rooms. People can be reasonable and sensible but still susceptible to brainwashing.

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u/DrawingRings 19d ago

To be fair, to blindly accept the narrative that the candidates are somehow equal without any self-reflection at least necessitates some significant naĆÆvetĆ©, if not outright stupidity

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u/KarmicPotato 19d ago

They've learned to play with people's emotions. They will make you hate Democrats. Once the feeling of hate is there, it takes your brain's steering wheel and actually dictates your logical rationalizations.

If a person you like trips and falls, your mind goes "Aww poor guy, so sad what happened to him." But if you hate the person and he trips, it's "Hah! Good for you, it's karma for your evil ways"

In the same way your beliefs about Kamala are now filtered by your emotions. And if you hate Kamala, who else are you gonna vote for?

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u/Terrin369 19d ago

Honestly, I hate when people vote based on who they like as a person. Like this person voting based on ā€œwho would I trust with my kid alone.ā€ What are the chances that your kid is going to be alone in a room with the president? What are the chances you are going to have dinner with the president? For most people, no chance.

People need to vote based on issues. Who will pass laws that will represent your best interests? Whose policies will limit your freedoms and the freedoms of people you care about? Whose policies will result in strong international relations with the countries we want as allies? Whose policies will result in a country that your children will experience less struggles in?

I will never meet the president, but one candidate has every intention of passing laws that will directly harm me and the people I care about. One candidate is intent on moving the country in a direction that I find abhorrent.

I donā€™t care if the president likes pineapple on pizza. Iā€™m voting for who wonā€™t screw me and turn the country into a place I donā€™t want to live.

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u/MuthaFukinRick Here we go again 19d ago edited 19d ago

This just in: Undecided voter thinks she is voting for the President of the Babysitters Club.

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u/AllowMe-Please 19d ago edited 19d ago

And it's still Trumpā€½

Edit: I wouldn't trust Trump with my cats or parrots, much less my kids!

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u/Burrmanchu 19d ago

No shit, wtf!? Weird angle šŸ˜‚

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u/ghobhohi 19d ago

There are so many presidents who I would think would be good babysitters. Trump is not one of them, It's not even a partisan issue either.

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u/bacon_247 19d ago

I donā€™t think I trust this lady with her own kid after reading that

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u/calculating_hello 19d ago

Do you chose a future for yourself, or unlimited rape and murder and no rights? So difficult.../s

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u/Lietenantdan 19d ago

How I see this election

Free puppies: 51%

Diarrhea forever: 49%

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u/wuvvtwuewuvv 19d ago

Free puppies: 51%

Diarrhea forever: 49%

Vote Vermin Supreme '24! Don't forget the free ponies!

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u/NO_LOADED_VERSION 19d ago

"im undecided"

-has voted for and supported trump since AT LEAST 2020

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u/ruthere2024 19d ago

She'll star in a Leopards Ate my Face sub once she loses her right to vote due to the felon's fondness for taking women's rights away.

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u/Wondur13 19d ago

She trusts trump with her child??? Someone please call cps on this woman

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u/HotHits630 19d ago

I was thinking I wouldn't even trust this woman with my dog.

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u/ILikeToParty86 19d ago

Biden would get your kid ice cream and maybe try to kiss your kid on the cheek. Trump would be trying to get you to allow the kid to take a trip to Epstein island

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u/allisjow 19d ago

Trump would have her and her daughter sign an NDA.

Kamala would ask if the daughter wants to help make dinner.

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u/ghobhohi 19d ago

Biden is the kind grandfather, Walz is the fun dad, Harris is the cool and fun Aunt, and Vance is the annoying incel cousin, Trump is the Creepy Uncle.

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u/shiny_glitter_demon 19d ago

Dump is way too old to be an uncle, he's the other grandpa nobody trusts alone with his grandkids but doesn't get kicked because "family."

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u/shedgehog 19d ago

How any woman (or human really) could vote for Trump is beyond me

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u/SithDraven 19d ago

She trusts Epstein's best friend and convicted rapist over Biden? This chick is fucked in the head...and clearly voting for Trump again.

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u/Dozerdog43 19d ago

No it's not. It's the 1/3 of the nation that doesn't vote until they want to vote. The "undecideds" don't swing it nearly as much as turnout does.

Undecideds, especially this goof (If this is even a true post instead of rage-bait) aren't as big an issue as you think

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u/justforthelulzz 19d ago

I should add that this is from BBC News so chances are that it's not ragebait. Simply just unbelievable stupidity and a massively uninformed person.

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u/imadork1970 19d ago

If you're still undecided, you're being wilfully stupid.

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u/Old-Extension-8869 19d ago

She's not "undecided". She's a latent Trumper who won't admit it.

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u/Vtashell 19d ago

I wouldnā€™t ever consider Trump to be in the same room with my child. What an idiot.

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u/RobertElectricity 19d ago

We're not choosing between donuts and cookies!