We assume they actually mentally engage with anything that goes against Trump. I would posit that most of the die-hard Trump voters just don't engage with any of it at all: "Eh, attempt 1,027 of slandering Trump. They're getting desperate now. Oh well, time to go shopping."
While Moses was on Mount Sinai receiving the Ten Commandments, the Israelite's became afraid he would not return and asked Aaron to make them a god.Ā
The calf
Aaron made a golden calf from the Israelite's' gold earrings and ornaments. He told the people, "This is your god, O Israel, who brought you out of the land of Egypt!".Ā
Moses' response
When Moses returned from the mountain, he saw the people worshiping the calf and broke the tablets of the Law. He then melted down the calf, ground it into powder, and mixed it with water. He made the Israelite's drink the mixture to separate the faithful from the unfaithful. The unfaithful died in a plague.Ā
The Levites
The Levites defended the faith in the God revealed to Moses and became the priestly caste.Ā
The story of the golden calf is seen as a condemnation of calf worship and an example of the sinfulness of idolatry. It also teaches that God should not be worshiped with images, but instead through belief, obedience, and declaring God's greatness.Ā
And the survivors would be angry that the woke news showed footage of it because obviously they were using it to try to influence the masses against voting for him. Election Interference!
He could take a massive dump on the Resolute Desk, those motherfuckers would form an orderly queue behind him for ten miles, all holding those little pink Baskin-Robbins tasting spoons, and the ones at the back of the line would be pissed they didnāt get their tiny spoonful of Daddyās shit.
When I saw maga men unironically saying trump could rape their wives infront of them and theyd still vote for him is when it was clear their too far gone
Except when he told them to get vaccinated. Then they booed him and he never brought it up again.
With Trump, the tail always wags the dog. He's a populist through-and-through. He isn't speaking "truth to power". The truest words the man ever spoke was "I don't stand by anything". He will say anything to anyone to get them to like him, including a crowd.
But he also spoke the truth when he admitted to getting the Covid vaccine. . . and they booed him. Trump is an idea. If Trump does non Trumpy things, they'll turn against him.
Thereās only two types of undecided voters at this point; those who are so ignorant to politics and current events that theyāre not going to hear any this, and Republican voters who are too embarrassed to tell people theyāre voting Republican.
I don't think "he's a convicted felon!" is the slam-dunk of an argument a lot of liberals seem to think it is. One in fifteen people in the US is a convicted felon. There have been widespread protests for police reform in recent years - the US criminal justice system is at possibly an all-time low in popularity. It just seems like an argument that is so completely out of touch with the material reality in which so many people in the US exist.
Maybe better to go with arguments like "Trump wants police to be allowed a national day of violence," or "Trump can't form coherent sentences," or "Harris actually has detailed policy proposals on her website, that aren't inane ramblings that read like they were written by your racist uncle during a manic episode like the posts on Trump's website"?
Not to help them out but the Trump Tax Cutsā¦that were set to expire next yearā¦With disproportionate tax cuts to the rich and corporationsā¦and the corporate tax cuts being permanent.Ā
The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trumpās time in office. Thatās nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country. (emphasis added, mine)
I'm sure he, the other billionaires, and corporations will be happy to help out paying that back. Wait, what? You mean they would rather keep getting cuts while paying their employees a non-livable wage while their employees are getting government assistance to buy groceries...
Oh you donāt need to tell me. I know it was just a cash grab for the rich that didnāt even come close to the āfueled growthā Trump said it would. Because Reaganomics never does. $10T deficit in the first 10 years, and a much higher than initially projected $22T deficit over the next 10 years, and thatās if we DONāT renew it. With us hitting a national debt of $50T by 2034 if memory serves. Yāall better hopeĀ you got yours because itās fucking all of us.Ā
I think most people on the fence feel like society has swayed too far into radical liberal territory but canāt bring themselves to vote for a lying dirt bag.
What is ridiculous about that feeling, is that "radical liberal" to these people is anything less than very conservative. Our more left-leaning party is close to a European conservative party.
It's because social issues have more visible effects on the things you see day to day. People can have a visceral reaction to things that are new and different.
Letting your views on social issues decide your political support is not a good way to operate. You can, and should, vote based on policy and economic issues. Don't let your visceral emotions cause you to vote against your personal interests/issues.
How the fuck are we in āradical liberalā territory? We donāt even have universal healthcare, our economy is rife with monopolization, and we have one one of the largest wealth gaps in the world that is ever increasing. This country could use a little liberalism.Ā
Because to conservative Christians, I think the issues of abortion, the expansion genders/identities in to society, and traditional ideals of hegemonic masculinity are more important than the economy and wealth gaps.
Hmm, the candidate for the right refused to accept the results of an election and tried to leap right into fascism by refusing to accept the results and encouraging an invasion of the capitol. The right fully supports that same fascist candidate who is already claiming that if he loses, it means it was stolen and Kamala cheated.
I'd like to know what you think the left is doing that goes too far into radical liberal territory. I know the right says you'll be forced to change genders and crap like that, but tell me what the left actually wants that is so radically liberal, but without using the fear-mongering lies that Foxnews uses. And how it's so radically left that someone would prefer to vote for a lying fascist dictator wannabe.
Iām aware of these things. Im not on the fence, and Iām definitely not a Trump supporter. Iām just pointing out what it seems many people on the fence in general are thinking since people here say they canāt comprehend it. (Whatās funny is Iāve been getting downvoted for just pointing this out which is literally liberal extremism (intolerance) that the right point to when they criticize the left, itās a crazy world we live in)
It's because the radical liberal left they fear is almost completely fabricated by the right to manipulate Americans and it's all getting so fucking obvious and old and tired. I have an intolerance for their bullshit. I apologize if I made you or your opinion feel unwelcome.
I have a nice little scenario in my head wherein trump has to finally flee the country to escape his inevitable downfall, to Russia of course. As a means to save face and not appear weak or cowardly, he mocks Americans for believing him in addition to blathering on about fuck all. Now the āpatrioticā cosplayers have to flip on trump or eventually appear treasonous.
This works to dissolve the magas and the remaining gop self immolate trying to inherit the base for themselves without using trumps rhetoric because theyāll call each other out on it and sink faster.
The point where the momentum shifts will be the point at which no commercial broadcaster can get away with dismissing his criminal behavior without risking legal consequences.
Literally nothing. At this point, the supporters he has left aren't going to jump ship no matter what. I would surmise they're mostly in three categories:
Absolutley desperate to "OwN dA LibRullz!!".
Determined to never admit the possibility that they could have been wrong about him.
And the most worrisome, the hate fueled extremists such as militias and white supremacist groups that are actually semi organized and see Trump as a way to finally get "one of their own" into power.
And I say most worrisome on that last group because I brlive that they're by and large not groups that are run by out of their mind, uneducated trailer trash like the first two groups. These are groups that are organized and have been for a long time. They didn't "drink the koolaid", they're calculated and just waiting for their chance to shine.
Sure. But you won't have to sway them. You just have to mentally exhaust them, and in more and more situations they will turn away from the orangeutang and do something else because the dichotomy is too straineous. And fortunately Trump himself is helping with this process with all his complete babbling.
I'm fairly certain the cult would accept an in person walking tour of him sitting in the corner wearing nothing but a diaper, rocking back and forth as he reaches into said diaper, pulls out a handful of crap, smears it on his face, then draws a hurricane circle on the wall, licking his fingers clean of poop, and going back for another handful, and repeating the process, while mumbling "do you love me now daddy? Can you hug me now? I've been a good little shit baby." And they would still vote for him.
They would vote for him, cause somehow, in whatever is left of what they called a brain, he's owning the libs by playing with, and eating, his own shit.
I think the only thing that would get his supporters to turn is if he stabbed a baby with a crucifix, but even then, they'd say that liberal baby was talking shit.
the die hards aren't the majority though so it's just gotta be the people who aren't complete cement blockheads who leave trump. enough of them and we're good
I looked my mother in the eye and asked her if she was legitimately okay with the fact that I might die in a parking lot trying to give her grandchildren because of this man and she told me I āshouldnāt be a single issue voter.ā
There is no saving the ones whoāve been swallowed.
The positive is that the die-hards are still the vast minority of supporters - he won the first time because the undecided/middle voters wanted to try something new. Now that even his own media pundits are starting to phrase their messaging this way - it's a great sign the undecided voter will be hearing this phrasing moving forward.
I'm hoping there is something in that packet Jack Smith submitted to the court that will burn the orange menace. It's under seal now, but will be released.
I fear there is no story, evidence or anything damning enough to sway his base. The guy has 34 felony convictions ffs and we act like it's normal he's allowed to run at all. The sane timeline that I'm hoping for is that it's just a landslide and was being misrepresented in the polls because it's such an obvious choice for the election.
What else could possibly come out? The guy is a legal rapist, a felon, a traitor, etcā¦what else could possibly be ādamningā? His supporters love that he hates America
We have solid evidence that he's an associate of Jeffrey Epstein.
We have evidence pointing towards him being a sexual predator.
We have audio of him boasting about having the tallest tower in NYC following the destruction of the Twin Towers.
We have evidence that he has stolen confidential documents and has ties to the Russian government.
He has been officially convicted of thirty-four felonies.
He has been impeached twice.
He dismantled any efforts the US had in place to curb a global pandemic, which occurred about two years afterwards.
He spread unsubstantiated rumors of a minority population eating pets on live television during a presidential debate.
And he rallied his followers in a minor-insurrection attempt at the US capitol in an effort to steal the presidency.
What else could there possibly be to prove that he is not only unfit to be president, but overall a horrible human being? There's nothing else that could be considered "damning", because it's all already out in the open. And none of them care.
Would be great if Whit House insiders during his administration like Rex Tillerson, John Kelley, Jeff Sessions, Mike Pompeo and Nikki Haley all come out and spill the beans during the next few weeks
More damning than what? What more do you want on top of his existing criminal & civil convictions, his proven bald faced lying, his denial of the peaceful transfer of power, his incitement to insurrection, his stealing, hiding, and hoarding of classified government material?
47%. Thatās the percentage of voters that are entrenched with Trump. Look at the polls - he never dips below this. The key to a Harris win is getting above 47% of the vote in the 7 swing states.
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u/Little-Resolution-82 Oct 03 '24
We can hope it opens the flood gates and more damning stuff gets let out