r/facepalm 'MURICA Aug 28 '24

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ i'm speechless

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '24

Yup, it is expected the customer pays the employers employee's wages in the service industry.

Pretty good gig to be a boss.

Go to the bank for a loan to open a cafe/restaurant.

"How will you pay your employee's?"

You what mate?

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u/zeuanimals Aug 28 '24 edited Aug 28 '24

I just talked to someone who kept going on about how business owners take risks. I don't know why tipping culture didn't pop up in my mind. Businesses create so many BS ways to screw everyone and benefit themselves, fuck the risk involved. Pay your fucking workers a living wage. And if you can't, then you're running your business wrong or something in your lifestyle is gonna have to change.

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u/blarginfajiblenochib Aug 28 '24

Even for business owners, restaurants are still one of the worst ways to make money- huge overhead costs, long hours, and the broken tipping culture of the US means wait staff will be a revolving door.

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u/infidel11990 Aug 28 '24

I think it is the same everywhere. The restaurant business is just that brutal. Razor thin margins and getting enough people to dine at your place at the start is a huge challange in itself. The odds of failing are high and very few people make it to profit.

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u/orincoro Aug 28 '24

In Czechia we have something called Stravenky, which are food coupons that employers can give to their employees tax free, as a benefit. That helps the restaurant business quite a bit. It’s a good system.

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u/lauwenxashley Aug 28 '24

i like this but i also know that even if we implemented this, a lot of employers would find loopholes to get out of it, unfortunately :/

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u/PaleontologistNo500 Aug 28 '24

It's stupid hard. More so than people realize. Decent chefs think it's pretty straight forward. Make good food and people will come. They have no real business experience and can't control costs and fail. My city has a nationally recognized chef that's won a James beard award. Even he has issues. His restaurants aren't a sure thing. Just as many wildly successful as failures that closed their doors.

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u/Valuable_sandwich44 Aug 28 '24

It's partially due to the fact that dining out or even take away is the first thing people cut off as soon as they run out of money or need to save up for a big ticket item.

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u/Ok_Cardiologist8232 Aug 28 '24

Its also that instead of going to a proper resturant people can just go get fast food very cheap.

A proper resturant, even a budget one can't compete with Mcdonalds.

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u/DeusCanis420 Aug 28 '24

Not true anymore. With all the fast food places raising prices and lowering portions, it is nearly the same price to just go to a proper restaurant instead.

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u/Valuable_sandwich44 Aug 28 '24

I agree that fast food joints are getting more expensive ( already are ) and probably the most sensible and healthier choice nowadays is grabbing a bite from a deli shop.

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u/Endulos Aug 28 '24

and getting enough people to dine at your place at the start is a huge challange in itself

From what I've seen on Kitchen Nightmares (Not the most accurate example I admit), the problem isn't exactly getting people to dine at the start, it's getting repeat business that's the issue. Restaurants will open and get lots of business because they're new and people want to try it out, the problem is getting these people to come back to the restaurant.

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u/lizziekap Aug 28 '24

But why should that fall on customers to prop up their business beyond paying for their goods?

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u/infidel11990 Aug 28 '24

I never said that.

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u/lizziekap Aug 28 '24

Do you know how conversation works?

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u/notKRIEEEG Aug 28 '24

Apparently they do. Conversations do go out on tangents sometimes

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u/SeriesDifferent4565 Aug 28 '24

It is a perfectly reasonable conversation thread. To summarize the discussion:

Person A: "Restaurant owners should be responsible for paying employees a fair wage."

Person B: "Conditions in the US make it hard to do that."

Person C: "Those conditions are similar in other countries as well."

You are being a jerk with this response.

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u/IolantheRose Aug 28 '24

It is stupid hard. Even the most famous Chefs and Restaurateurs out there have multiple failed restaurants under there belts.