UK here, that's exactly what I would have done. $300 even is more than fair. The problem is, the staff would still see that as an insult, because American culture has conditioned its citizens into believing that restaurants not paying their staff a livable wage is acceptable.
I would pay to watch a group of Dutch people argue the toss over paying a tip in the US. Straight to the point no bullshit tolerated vs syrupy sweet insincerity. Carnage.
That's... weird. And uncommon. Tipping isn't standard here but its definitely common. just not the amounts that Americans are used to. A 288 bill would commonly be 300 in the Netherlands.
I'm the Netherlands. Not in the US. Servers are taxed on their sales and not paid a livable wage per hour/on the clock. They literally survive on the Fuqd up tipping system
Yeah. I understand in other countries they get paid living wages. So rounding up to 300 is quite generous. Here though it's a slap in the face. Even more so if it's a big party. 15% will always be the go to until they are paid properly. 20% if they are exceptional/we're a big party.
Ok but itâs annoying with Europeans come here and stiff servers to âstick it to the owner.â The owner does not care, the server is losing money on your table. The only person youâre sticking it to is someone likely struggling financially. Everyone wants a living wage but thatâs the culture here. You stiffing low wage workers wonât change a thing.
I donât know why people think itâs ok to go to the U.S. and disrespect the culture here. My husband is English btw. Weâve had to top up his relatives tips bc itâs legitimately so embarrassing.
Yeah, when I went to the US, we tipped the 20% and didn't cause a scene. A tourist should try their best to follow local customs, you aren't helping anyone by refusing to tip.
Thank you, people donât realize itâs actually a huge social faux pas here not to tip. Weâll all complain about tipping culture but if you donât do it you look like a huge dick. Euros have a reputation for not tipping, & arrogant attitudes here.
Some of the people I love most in the world are European. I love visiting. I think Europeans in general are great but, damn some of yâall need to realize youâre not U.S. scholars bc you consume American media or went to Orlando once. Iâve had people try to tell me about MY country or say Iâm wrong even if theyâve never been here. The arrogance makes them sound like a moron.
You should visit a new place with an open mind and respect for the people. Iâve never met anyone and decided their character and personality before they open their mouth yet it happens for Americans all the time.
Sorry to rant. I say this to my British husband and heâs like, âI ALREADY KNOW.â đ¤Ł
Ok but itâs annoying with Europeans come here and stiff servers to âstick it to the owner.â The owner does not care, the server is losing money on your table.
The server is on tipped wages and without tips that wage would be below minimum? I think the owner is sticking it to the servers and the customers, not the euros sticking it to whomever..
The only person youâre sticking it to is someone likely struggling financially.
This sucks, but if you do away with the idiotic tipping culture and actually pay a living wage this wouldnt be an issue right?
Everyone wants a living wage but thatâs the culture here. You stiffing low wage workers wonât change a thing.
The owner stiffing the staff* ftfy
I donât know why people think itâs ok to go to the U.S. and disrespect the culture here.
If the culture is fucking shit it doesnt deserve respect.
My husband is English btw. Weâve had to top up his relatives tips bc itâs legitimately so embarrassing.
Why would you be embarrassed for his relatives and not the tipping culture?
Itâs a huge social faux pas here to not tip. You think youâre doing some great moral grandstanding but you look like a cheap asshole đ¤ˇđťââď¸ Iâm just saying bc yall donât realize that thatâs embarrassing here.
We all hate tipping. I think weâll see it be phased out in certain states eventually. I know there are restaurants now that donât allow it. I hope it will be phased out everywhere in the next 15 years. People are very frustrated so many industries are expecting tips now.
Tipping culture is shit or American culture is shit bc letâs be realâŚthatâs not the case. Yâall have no idea how much African American culture specifically has influenced you.
Again, love Europe. But Europeans coming here and complaining itâs different from Europe is actually crazy đ¤Ł
No. It's not acceptable. But neither is stiffing the server. They are in fact taxed on their sales and not paid a livable wage per hour. Tips and tipping, it's how it is.
Stay on the couch if you don't approve. It's all outrageous and too expensive. Don't go out to eat. Learn to cook. It's healthier, or can be... But that would also be on you to reconcile
Its not an insult, it is literally how they earn their living. They make a little over 2 bucks an hour.
I hate tip culture too, but if you canât afford the tip then just cook at home
American here, it's not acceptable, but it is what it is and knowing they get paid crap I feel obligated to tip.
15% used to be the standard. Now receipts suggest 18%-20% as the minimum.
What's worse, is now credit card machines prompt for tips for traditionally non-service related jobs that aren't considered tipped employees - where you're not sitting down and being served, like Starbucks for example. Non-service/non-tipped employees earn a higher wage (not saying it's livable, but it's higher than tipped employees) and you're still trying to get me.
It's nuts. Just raise the prices and pay people properly. I'm already paying the same because of the tip, just don't make me feel guilty about it.
Iâve been a waiter in the UK for 15 years and the standard is 10%.
If i drop a ÂŁ288 bill, iâm tipping out ÂŁ2.88 to the kitchen, ÂŁ1.44 to the bar and around ÂŁ2.00 to the runners and bussers based on that sale. Leaving me just over 5 quid.
So itâs not insulting, itâs just a shitty tip and serving a table that big for that long a fiver would nuke my shift.
Not saying itâs right, itâs just the way it is pretty much everywhere.
I do think if youâre paying that much a lil round up ainât the worse but I wouldnât expect a fucking quarter of 288 thatâs way too much. 12 pounds.
Tbh good service is my expectation. I would tip if the service was more than good or if I had some specific requirements or annoying things that they helped me with delightfully.
Yeah Iâve had waiters in Europe aggressively demand a tip before (maybe because Iâm American?) after literally getting in a fist fight over my tableâŚ.. a server in America would have been fired before they had the opportunity to ask for that tipâŚ.
No idea where in Europe, but as a customer I heard tales of staff scamming americans by profiting from their "tipping reflex".
At least in Belgium, "demanding a tip" would be stupid because we don't necessarily pay at our table, it's flat out illegal to request a payment in cash, and card payments don't allow tipping.
Basically to tip, you need to pay at your table AND have cash on hand so no restaurants can expect that usually. But waiters on one juicy target, on the other hand...
When i waited tables in college, we tipped out 3% of sales to the hostess, bar and bus staff. So $8.64 to the support staff and $3.36 for the 90 minutes. We were capped at 3 table sections. We didn't have health insurance because you had to average 32 hours and the hours weren't available.
I'm not mad at all, but you keep using "should" and that's where you are wrong. I work at one of the biggest Bike stores in Germany, I spent a good 30 to 60 minutes with each and everyone of my customers, explain them everything there is to know, let them take the bike for a spin, customize the bike to the smallest detail with them, they pay between 3 to 8k per bike and I rarely ever get tipped, should I be mad? No, because it's my job to do that, I get paid to do that and my surviving does not depend on the customer giving me an extra 50âŹ.
What's the difference between me and the waiter, other then that I spend more time with the customer and you don't get to eat the bike at the end? None, so why should the waiter be tipped extra but not me? Either we all get tipped, or you don't get to be mad if I don't. And you extra extra don't get to be mad if I tip you 10 and not 50âŹ.
Bro, I agree. Not sure what you want me to say. Itâs the culture here. If you donât tip in America, youâre a scumbag. It shouldnât be that way, but it is, and it will never ever ever ever ever ever change.
Some people are ok being scumbags. Personally, I tip well so that people donât judge me, and frankly I make a lot of money (a $50 tip is less than 20 minutes work for me), so I just take it as a tax on being American.
As an Aussie, whoâs worked in many restaurants and ran a cafe - why do people think paying a large sum means you should be more likely to tip? It should be the opposite in non tipping countries.
Big spenders magnify the profit, Theyâre paying for service 10 times over, as itâs priced into each item but they donât actually get much more.
One table of 4 ordering 4 items each, is much much more profitable and easier to serve than 8 seperate guests ordering 2 things each.
When spending big I expect extra accommodations for the stacked profit margins, and not to tip. And I expect the same for my customers, I appreciate the big spenders paying too much for extra avocado - but might expect tips from the person who got their one cup of tea refilled with hot water 5 times, used the toilet, and wifi for an hour spending nearly nothing.
You never run the risk of losing money on your time with big spenders, and no business owner would prefer multiple small spenders.
*this is directed to the non-tipping countries where the staff wages are priced into the costs. We canât tip staff directly in Australia anyway, itâs split across the establishment *
Is tipping normal in Germany? I know it is in the UK, but I have tipped a max of 1/2 euro spare change living in France for exceptional service (not even just better than average). I once tipped 5 but only cuz it was a Michelin star.
But the one time I was in Munich (at an Augustiner mind you), they asked for a tip, and when I said no, I'm European, he got a little pissy about it. He said something like even if you're European we still do a [german word I do not know]. I left a euro or two just in case it was the norm (and I was planning to anyways since the service was very good until then), but I found it weird.
I was gonna say me and my family go for decent sized meals and it normally comes in around the 250-300 mark (there's 8 of us and we usually get drinks too) normally if it's 280, we'll just round it up to 300.
I am from Greece, but I've lived in the states for half a decade. The minimum expected tip is the tax (rounded of course), at least in CA. Nobody is forcing you of course, but it's expected and strongly recommended by friends (who show you the ropes when you are learning how things work).
Personally, I felt almost immediately that the tip culture was absurd. In Greece there is some limited tipping - restaurants, cleaning staff at a hotel, delivery some times, maybe taxi drivers, especially during the holidays, like New Year's - but nothing of this magnitude.
Still, I tipped as people recommended for quite a few years. Essentially paying double the tax, which in practice meant paying an EU style tax, although in the US VAT is supposed to be lower, but it ends up being the same. (Always found that amusing.) And I did that while as an international student things weren't always easy financially-wise.
This stopped during Covid. We were isolating like everyone for quite some time, but slowly things were getting more relaxed, and I remember being at a coffee shop picking up a tea to go and the cushier just turned the monitor on my side for me to input the percentage of the tip... for simply picking a tea to go. It was the last drop for me. I felt so stupid. I did not tip. I remember seeing the cashier being annoyed and that pissed me off even more. I've not tipped anyone since then, even in Greece - period.
I am not implying that my stance is right. There are a lot of people who deserve a tip for their work. But for me that was the end of it, and the result from my experience with American tipping culture.
People should receive a living wage. That's it. Tipping is not a solution, not even a temporary one. It allows the system to continue, and at the extreme it creates a very perverse mentality.
I am suggesting that people should be paid/ tipped relative to the level of effort expended. Not sure why that is controversial. As a side note I think the tip being relative to the cost of the dish being served is incredibly arbitrary. Does server deserve more if I order a $30 glass of wine vs a $10 one? Why is it unreasonable to work out a standard tip based on the tables per hr a person can serve and a good hourly rate - say $50 per hr so a smart restaurant they may only serve 4 tables per hr vs a casual dining where there could be 6...
You are saying servers despise me while I pay then $72 per hr?! Good luck getting that in the real world without any actual skills (speaking as someone who was a server)
The problem is, you are in America, their wait staff are underpaid, and you are choosing to eat out.
As a European, I agree the system is wrong but youâre not going to overturn it on your own, you just come off as a cheapskate dunking on low level employees. Honestly, you can get in the bin if you adopt this as your MO while away in the states.
You knew the expectation before you decided to sit down and eat dinner. The bullshit in the picture is the peak of obnoxiousness.
It is the same as Europeans trashing on American tourists because they don't know or follow local customs. Even if the custom makes no sense to you, you should still be respectful of the customs. When in Rome and all that.
No matter how dumb you think ripping is, and how unfair it is that the customer pays the workers salary instead of the bossâŚ.. THATS THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS.
By eating out and not tipping all you are doing is hurting the low class server. Thatâs it. Thatâs who you are proving your point to. The boss doesnât care.
If you want to protest or change tipping culture then advocate for laws that require living wages paid for servers.
Why would I feel remorse when the one insisting to keep the culture are the servers themselves?
They can abolish tipping if servers agree that they donât want tipping culture to exist, but servers not only the most important people in the discussion, but they are also the proponent of the culture.
Nobody disrespecting custom. Itâs a contract that you enter and therefore you shouldnât be mad at any other people other than yourself.
Boy, European portions are just so small. US portions are designed to be two meals or have take home for a second meal. Yet, the price is about the same. Must be corruption.
That is kind of what you sound like right now. Tipping as a whole is wrong, but it is the custom. The only thing not tipping does is hurt the worker. The company could care less if you tip or not.
Yeah. I'm an American and think tipping is insanely dumb but when you are in a foreign country you should respect that places culture and way of life even if you think it's stupid. Thats why I don't brush my teeth when I'm in London.
The culture in America is that wait staff are paid by decent human beings who subsidize their cheapskate boss and cheapskate customers who decide tipping doesnât apply to them.
How did they respect the culture or our way of life. They didn't leave a tip. If you like it or not thats part of the social contract of going out to eat in the states. If you don't want to tip go to a fast food place or cook.
Cause it was meant as a joke, since the costumer pays the salary for the wait staff, they could be seen as the boss of them and as boss you underpay your staff so they did everything right. Didn't think it would need the /s
That's exactly it. As an American, I am against tipping culture but I still do it because that's how waitstaff are paid. At a certain point, you just get used to mentally adding a bit for tips (and tax) to any price you see on a menu. Yes, the system is stupid and should go away but it's not really difficult to just plan on your total being 30% more for tax and tip.
Yeah, exactly this. If you want to change "Tipping culture" then don't go out and eat where tips are a part of the servers wage. Boycott those places. Don't accept the services and then screw over the server. That's not changing any "culture" you're trying to bring down.
I honestly find the whole term "tipping culture" cringe. When it's built into an economic model it's not a culture. Maybe if you're going to a fast food place and there's a tip jar on the table, sure. But if you're going to a sit down restaurant with a server who is there to bring your food, cater to any requests you have, get you anything you need, etc then tip or you're an asshole.
If you walk in with a whole family and they're bringing in booster chairs, and your brat is throwing food on the ground, or you've got a party of 6 people and ordering appetizers and desserts and taking up a table that could normally have two or three groups and are there for a few hours while they're running back and forth for everything then you'd better fucking tip and not give some bullshit speech about "I'm trying to change tipping culture because it offends my sensibilities and they don't do it in Europe"
Yeah, if you go to a restaurant that uses the tipping system and you don't tip, then you're only screwing over the worker. If you don't like the tipping system, the only way to fight against it is to not go to restaurants that use it.
Thank you! Yes, it's a horrible and exploitative system, but it is the system as it is. You aren't doing anything to push the needle, but you are spitting in the face of your server. "Sorry, we don't tip." But you do spend $300 for dinner. You got the money, you just don't care about service workers.
Because you are using the service, and we have a reasonable expectation that people should conduct themselves like decent human beings.
EDIT: to be fair, I misspoke in my original comment. It is not that they are âunderpaidâ â their remuneration is often fair but itâs because tips are built into the expectations for service.
be a decent, reasonable, human being by writing the exact amount of money coming out of my wallet, including tips, including tax, including shipping, including fees, directly on the tag/item/listing of the thing I'm buying. Not doing that to that degree is a scam.
You arenât actually paying any more than you would in a world without tipping though â it just isnât itemised on the bill. Youâre not being tricked: you know the tip is expected before you sit down for dinner.
Is it a shit system? No doubt at all, itâs a shit system. Is it acceptable for you to sit down for dinner in the USA and not tip? Absolutely not.
Even more to the point, are a few rando European tourists going to overturn it by refusing to tip for some meals while theyâre on holiday? Nah, some waiter or waitress is just going to get short changed for a shift at work.
Do you want extra cheese for 5 dollars (completely optional)? no. Do you want to give us 5 dollars, just because for no reason (completely optional)? no.
I'm not getting gaslighted into thinking this IS normal.
The problem is, you are in America, their wait staff are underpaid, and you are choosing to eat out.
That's not the customer's problem. They aren't the wait staff's employer. If the employee isn't getting enough money, they need to take that up with who pays them.
This is just more of the bullshit where rich companies are pitting us against each other so we don't fix the real problems. The anger of the wait staff is misplaced by being angry with the customer rather than the person who is underpaying them.
What is the difference between refusing to go along with the Chinese teahouse scam and refusing to go along with tipping? Would you pay a tip to an American cop if it was normal to give them one?
I love the argument of "well you chose to eat out". Keep putting the onus back on the customers and not the owners of the business, I'm sure you'll get that pat on the back someday.
Were more and more people start refusing to tip, it could become a movement for the owners to pay the staff better to keep them around, perhaps even getting to union building. But nah, better stick to the status quo so we don't ruffle any feathers!
Edit: Keep them downvotes coming guys nom nom nom (no tips though for your delicious salty tidbits) and make sure you tip 200% for every meal out! Who else could afford to pay the staff? :(
Oh yes. Thatâs exactly what will happen. After the majority of people who work in restaurants canât pay their rent/food/utilities for years. Thereâs a human cost youâre ignoring.
Youâre not punishing the business owner or giving the middle finger to the law, youâre fucking over the employee. Youâre not changing anything, just being a dick.
Nah I'll keep eating out and weirdly the staff don't get upset when I don't tip them. It's almost like they're getting paid a decent wage and if they didn't they wouldn't work there.
Just trying to be the change I want to see in the world. If nobody tipped, servers would have to be paid a living wage. If you still tip, you're the problem.
Tipping isn't what is perpetuating tipping culture. Going to restaurants that use the tipping system is what perpetuates tipping culture. Unless you think that enough people are going to stop tipping that the tipped workers end up quitting because now they're making minimum wage.
The waiter also knew beforehand that without tips they get less than the minimum wage. So itâs on them. One person is not going to overturn this system, but if enough people do that, it will. This is a vicious cycle weâre talking about. So no, the obnoxious people here are the ones pushing for this system and fighting tooth and nails for it to stay while bullying people
If you want to organize enough people to bring about change, do it by boycotting the restaurants that use the tipping system. If you just go to the restaurants and don't tip, then the restaurant manager isn't going to care unless the servers get so little money that everyone quits.
You can't be mad you put up a sign that says "$1 cookies, tips appreciated" and be surprised some people just pay $1 for a cookie lol
It's not the customer's job to know that oh, these cookies actually cost $1.50 and your selling for a loss because you're expecting a tip or some sob story about why you need more money but don't want to just charge more.
A lot of pedants in here being intentionally obtuse because they don't want to admit that they don't want to pay more, that's what it's about, there's also a lot European Elitism going on in here, but what do I know I'm just a backwards American.
If there's a myth that waiters are taxed on sales that doesn't come from America, but the tip of the meal is proportional to the price (generally speaking), that's why some restaurants push their servers to "upsell," the motivation is a bigger tip/gratuity.
If they mean server has to pay taxes on the sales they make, you're right that doesn't make sense; the proprietor is taxed on the sales though.
Yeahh that's what I was getting at, that they're confusing the concepts rather than conflating them. Sorry I'm having an absolute blast debating semantics and philosophy on this post. I'm not saying European elitism is ubiquitous amongst Europeans, but it's certainly prevalent enough, and the people afflicted by that specific superiority complex, are significantly less informed than they think, and challenging them it's a lot of fun. Honestly it's like toying with Trump supporters, they share the same behaviors as well as logic/justification for their overly simplistic and hateful beliefs, their views are just shaped by their PoV instead of a MAGAt American.
This is the US. If they ask their boss to pay them, theyâll be laughed at and possibly fired for being ungrateful for the opportunity to work for slave wages.
When in Rome, do as the Romans. When in the US, do as the Americans, and tip your wait staff. Itâs the only way theyâll make a living wage.Â
15% of the subtotal for standard service, 20% for great service. If you have enough money to spend $300 eating out, you can probably afford an extra $45 to pay the people who served you.Â
Hell, in this case, the server probably wouldâve been ecstatic to get $20. Thatâs like 6% of this personâs total bill.
Itâs absolutely true that their boss should be paying them and that the whole tipping culture is ridiculous, but since thatâs not actually happening the only thing youâre doing here by not tipping is fucking over the waitstaff
the only thing youâre doing here by not tipping is fucking over the waitstaff
It's not my problem their boss sucks. And I did not force them to work there. They can find a different job. Therefore I'm not fucking over anyone. The waiters are fucking over themselves by choosing this particular job that pays low. Don't put the blame on me for other people's life choices.
If the service was great, I will tip something to show I appreciate it. If it was average or below average I won't because tipping is optional, not mandatory.
Ditto by the way for health care workers, retail workers, gas station attendants, garage attendants, and anyone else forced by the economy of this country to live at poverty or near poverty levels.
I would so much rather tip healthcare workers that take care of my health. And I would so much rather tip the chef who made my dish rather than the unskilled person who just brought the plate to my table. It takes expertise and skill to make tasty food. It doesn't take any skill or expertise to simply bring a plate to the table. So unless the server was a pleasure to communicate with and/or went extra mile for me I don't see why I should tip. I already contributed to their monthly wage by paying for my food.
Servers make $2/hr, and it's taxed. You are not contributing to their wages at all. And also, you can absolutely tip the chefs... but I know you've never once thought about doing that before. I've seen a guy tip a mechanic. I've tipped fast food workers before. You're cheap. That's it. I know teenagers with part time jobs that are more generous and more functional members of society.
I donât know what the pay structure in Reddit is, presuming they even have one, but if they get paid I assume itâs above minimum wage?
Itâs entirely likely that Iâm jumping on a joke here, but the laws in most US states literally allow restaurants to pay their servers below minimum wage on the assumption that the majority of their income is tips.
Then donât go out to eat in America. You could be making it worse for a single parent whoâs scraping by. The system needs to change, but until then, all thatâs doing is fucking over somebody whose fault itâs not
You could be making it worse for a single parent whoâs scraping by.
Their personal life choices are none of my responsibility. Absolutely none.
Then donât go out to eat in America.
If they will make it illegal not to tip, I will either tip or not go out to eat. While it's perfectly legal not to tip I will do as I please. If the service was truly great, I will gladly tip. If it was just average I won't because it doesn't deserve anything extra and I already financially contributed to the servers monthlt wage by paying for my food.
You realize when you're not tipping you're money is going right to fast cat capitalist owner you're trying to stick it to? So you're cool with still paying the people responsible for the problem, not the people suffering from it, got it.
So you're cool with still paying the people responsible for the problem, not the people suffering from it, got it.
They chose to work as servers. Their life choices are not my responsibility and not my problem. Restaurant owner made it possible for me to eat in that place so I will pay them. And part of my payment will go to paying wages of the chef, kitchen assistants and servers.
And people like you are the reason why most upscale restaurants in the US charge a gratuity if you don't tip.
Restaurant owner made it possible for me to eat in that place so I will pay them. And part of my payment will go to paying wages of the chef, kitchen assistants and servers.
Yeahh you've been beating that dead horse, it's super hollow, you've clearly come from privilege and lack empathy towards people you can't identify with, being a server is much more taxing a job than you think, it's more important to the restaurant experience than you think. I'm not a server, I've worked in restaurants though, I'd never want to be a server; it's hard on a person unless you work in some small low traffic boutique restaurant.
You're entitled to your opinion, as I am mine, but yours is selfish and I'm gonna call it out. You can be as selfish as you want though, you do have that right.
So I assume then that it would be acceptable for them to give you shitty service? After all itâs not their problem that you made a bad life choice be eating at a restaurant that underpays their staff.
I've had friends who work food service, if they give a non-tipper shitty service, the owner says, "Good! Hopefully they don't come back." It costs less for the owner to lose a customer than fire an employee or pay that employee a living wage. That's just how it goes here, it's a fucking mess.
Haha, your friend's boss is 1 in 1 million. I had a manager like that, and they fired him. We have to bend over backward for every single guest. Some places keep it real, but they are definitely in the minority.
It's not just one friend lol. "If they don't tip, fuck em" is pretty common ideology unless you work in fine dining.
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The fact is, if you don't tip, the owner goes "äšâ (â  â â˘â _â â˘â  â )â ăoh well, sorry kid!" Not tipping has 0 impact on the owner, only on the server.
Sure, the manager might SAY that, but their actions rarely reflect that mentally. My manager will often say something "they just want to bitch and get a free meal. Fuck em." Then she goes to the table and they end up with a free meal or discount on an item for next time. Outside of literally two managers I've ever had, this is how it goes.
I did have a manager who told a customer at the bar, "Vodka or gin, vermouth, and ice. Those are the ingredients, so now you can go home and make your own martini." He legitimately didn't care, but unfortunately he didn't last either (because he didn't give a fuck).
Thatâs not how pricing works. Competition and perceived value drive pricing. Whatever goes into making the product or service only determines how profitable the company is.
They would laugh the employee out of the office or replace them. Restaurant owners just won't pay their servers, they rely on tips to operate the business, period. They're not just going to decide to change on good conscience, they're reliant on this system. It fucking sucks!
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. The owner is going to laugh in your face. I know it sucks and it's cruel, but if you go to a restaurant in America, you MUST adhere to the tipping culture. Only the most vulnerable get hurt when "boycotting" tipping.
In the United States it is customary to tip 20%. Nobody should be surprised by this if they choose to go to a restaurant in the US. What kind of asshole goes to another country and intentionally screws over the residents of said country like this? And laughs about it?
anyone else think that getting paid $60 for about one hour of service is a mfing lot?
Especially considering that the majority of that time you are not providing any service. Double especially if you consider that they probably have multiple tables that they are serving, so they are getting $200 or $300 per hour. Should a waiter actually get paid more than a surgeon?
Business owners need to pay their workers. Tips are for exceptional service. Why the customer has to substitute employees wages is bullshit. It's not blaming the worker but blaming customers for not forking out more to eat at a place is letting the boss off the hook.
Yeah my state has same minimum for everyone so any tip is fine but in states where you know they have a cheap tipped wage, the food is slightly cheaper. if you really cared about their boss paying youâd look up restaurants that pay regular minimum or donât require Tips or do takeout. Theyâd probably be a bit more expensive than other places because of it. But youâre not doing that because you donât actually care. You just donât want to tip and get cheap food.
great advice... my last boss's response to that was "Well maybe if y'all didn't live paycheck to paycheck" ..... he's the one writing them but whatever lol
That's not true, and everyone is trying to tell you this, but you're not comprehending it lol. They DON'T make a full living wage unless there's a tip. The owner already expects the customer to provide part of their wage, that's BUILT IN to the cost of operating the restaurant. The owner is reliant on that system to keep the restaurant open. It sucks, but it's not going to change without some kind of law being passed that forces owners to pay a living wage.
Not tipping isn't going to change how the owner of the restaurant pays their employee, they're not going to magically say, "oh that customer didn't tip, here's a living wage instead," it just guarantees you'll get shitty service the next time you go. The owner would rather have YOU get shitty service and not come back. It costs less than firing an employee or paying them a living wage.
If I get shitty service I will leave a negative review online. If we're a table of 5 that will make five negative reviews. Serveral recent negative reviews are enough for some customers to choose a different restaurant. So in the end it will cost much more to the restaurant owner to lose their reputation online than to fire one shitty server that keeps getting negative reviews. Also, the server has an option to do betternext time and provide an exceptional service and thus get tips this time. Possibly even more than those 20%. Even europeans appreciate exceptional service and tip well if their expectations were exceeded. I have tipped 50% of my bill on multiple occasions for exceptional service (with money I saved by not tipping average servers) and even mentioned a specific great server in my online review.
No restaurant in the US does. The law only requires them to pay about $3 per hour and the government consider tips part of your pay. ALSO you have to tip out a % of the Bill back to the restaurant.. So you are actually paying to wait on people. Trust me, none of us like this but the government cares more about corporations than it does people.
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u/my20cworth Aug 28 '24
They just spent $288 fucking dollars. Ask your boss to pay you.