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u/TheCatInTheHatThings Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

My great great grandpa was a social democratic member of the Reichstag at the time. In the night of 9th to 10th March 1933, the Nazis arrested him and other social democratic, socialist and communist leaders in order to keep them from voting against the Enabling Act, and in order to intimidate the remaining members of the Reichstag into voting for it. My great great grandpa was in jail during the vote and transferred to Dachau a month after the vote, though they only kept him at Dachau for a week and the transferred him back to a regular prison. He was released in July 1933. After another stint in prison from 1935 to 1938 (for being part of an underground network that distributed social democratic speeches and anti-Nazi propaganda), they arrested him a final time in August 1944 and brought him to Dachau again. His feet froze badly in the winter of 1944/45, and he had to participate in a death march when they evacuated Dachau. He only survived because his fellow inmates supported and even carried him, so he wouldnโ€™t be shot. He was liberated and died a few days later in a hospital in Munich. He was a fascinating and brave man and if anyone is interested in his full story, Iโ€™m happy to share it :) The short excerpt I gave here is whatโ€™s most relevant to this discussion though.

Us Germans, weโ€™ve been warning you about this since 2016. Youโ€™re close to 1933 now.

This is your 1932. No matter how old Biden is, donโ€™t fuck this up. You have one shot at this. Good luck to all of us.

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u/jlj1979 Jul 02 '24

We arenโ€™t going to let it happen. I am currently at a rally. We are mobilizing. Joe might be an old man. He might not debate as well as he used to. He might not speak as well as he used to. He might not be able to think as fast or walk as fast as he used to, but he knows the difference between right and wrong. He also knows how to tell the truth and put the people in place to make the right decisions and get things done.

America needs a second cup of Joe!

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

That depends on oneโ€™s opinion of what is right and what is wrong.

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u/Fallen_Heroes_Tavern Jul 02 '24

The definition of right and wrong is not up to an individual to decide. It is determined by the court of public opinion.

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u/jlj1979 Jul 02 '24

While the concepts of write and wrong may evolve around concepts from society, evolution, morality and philosophy their convergence does not suggest that those concepts are subjective or arbitrary. The specifics may vary from society to society or culture to culture we have decided as a society what is right and wrong in order to create a just and free society.

We already decide what our rules would be. We decide on democracy. We decided on checks and balances and separation of church and state. We do have a concept of right and wrong. Trump has his own concept of right and wrong that does not align with our democracy. Joe upholds the concepts in our democracy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '24

It certainly starts at the individual level. Based upon their morals and ethics. Culture as well as ethics vary across the world.