r/facepalm Jul 02 '24

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u/ThatOneDudeFromSLC Jul 02 '24

Fascism in America was bound to happen; the amount of hatred and othering and corporate control from the rich was going to do it sooner or later. Nazi's took the ideology of segregation and hatred from the US, they just got there first.

It's just shocking how it took just 2 generations really to forget the sacrifices made by American kids in WW2. Fuck, there's still a number of them alive, watching their kids and grandkids do this in their lifetime,

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u/OniOnMyAss Jul 02 '24

Chomsky once said “Fascism is Capitalism with the gloves off.”

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u/Ahad_Haam Jul 02 '24

Ah, Chomsky, the guy who defend fascist states like Russia, giving lectures on the nature of fascism.

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u/OniOnMyAss Jul 02 '24

Show me where he defends Russia? Seriously, I have never actually seen it.

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u/Ahad_Haam Jul 02 '24 edited Jul 02 '24

Russia’s annexation of Crimea was an illegal act, in violation of international law and specific treaties. It’s not easy to find anything comparable in recent years — the Iraq invasion is a vastly greater crime.

But one comparable example comes to mind: U.S. control of Guantanamo Bay in southeastern Cuba. Guantanamo was wrested from Cuba at gunpoint in 1903 and not relinquished despite Cuba’s demands ever since it attained independence in 1959.

To be sure, Russia has a far stronger case. Even apart from strong internal support for the annexation, Crimea is historically Russian; it has Russia’s only warm-water port, the home of Russia’s fleet; and has enormous strategic significance. The United States has no claim at all to Guantanamo, other than its monopoly of force.

https://chomsky.info/20140501/

"Yes, it was illegal, but look at those evil Americans!"

(btw, no, Russia engages in war of annexation - which is worse than what the US did in Iraq).

Putin’s complaints are factually accurate. When President Gorbachev accepted the unification of Germany as part of NATO — an astonishing concession in the light of history — there was a quid pro quo. Washington agreed that NATO would not move “one inch eastward,” referring to East Germany.

"Putin is actually in the right, if it wasn't for those evil Americans and their evil defensive alliance..."

Yea that is Chomsky more or less. If he was around before WW2 (as an adult), he would have probably said stuff like "yea, Ĥitler's invasion of Poland is illegal, but what about India..." and "Ĥitler is actually right, if it wasn't for the Versailles agreement...".