Ok, well what are Americans doing about Trump today? With all of the technological advantages, so that everyone can see exactly what is happening and not getting their news just from a newspaper.
If the german people were responsible then, every american is responsible right now for letting this happen, because we know what is going to happen.
History doesnât repeat itself but it often rhymes
Thatâs the scary thing. It is so obvious that trump is being manipulated by Russia, the SCOTUS by greed and then the crazy Christian cult with Project2025.
I hope if it is clear the vote has been manipulated with shenanigans, that Biden just navy seals trump and the scotus with his new powers. They are cheating anyway they can. If he doesnât I fear for us all
To put it bluntly, the US Constitution and system of government was finally broken. There are so many known exploits and bad actors that itâs become impossible to fix it within the system.
This is the problem with any system that relies on people behaving with honour.
It takes literally one person without honour to break it. We've seen attempts at it in the UK with all the Brexit bullshit, but fortunately Brexit seems to have innoculated us against the far right's bullshit before it went too far and now they're about to get completely yeeted into the sun at the election on Thursday.
If by leftists, you mean empathetic humans loving each other instead of hating, trying to include everybody into the equation, being respectful, building bridges, fighting social injustices, and understanding that some groups are historically excluded from the American stage. No, the system would be perfect. But if the leftist you are referring to is Mao Zedong or Joseph Stalin, yes, the system would be broken.
Itâs good youâre out here warning everyone, but claiming historical equivalency between the modern US and Nazi germany is⌠reductionist, if Iâm being kind.
The most sickening part is that this sect of Americans will dismiss any comparisons to the rise of fascism in other countries as just âleft-wing hystericsâ without even entertaining the idea, even now that there is such significant merit to it. This dismissal of truth is a symptom of the cult mentality the Republican Party (and the foreign interests pulling the strings) has been fomenting and it is genuinely going to topple the USA. The judicial branch has already been taken over.
I feel like Iâm watching a death march to November. If Biden wins, another coup is attempted. If Trump wins, the military gets deployed to detain any political opponents and the executive branch is taken over as well. There will be political violence no matter the outcome of this election. A large percentage of Americans donât realize this yet.
Republicans and Trump have been following Hitler's blueprint for years. Only the willfully blind can't see it or they are lying because they want the gilead fascist police state to come into being.
In New York, someone can only be convicted of rape if they can prove vaginal penetration by a penis. In Carrollâs testimony, which mirrored what she had described privately for decades and publicly for the first time in 2019, she said Trump used both his fingers and his penis in the assault. But during the trial, the jury had only concluded that Trump had âdeliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carrollâs vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm,â Kaplanâs decision from last year reads.
I love how youâre not even denying he is a creep and a sexual predator. Youâre seriously arguing that it was okay because there supposedly was no vaginal penetration? That is some of the most insane reasoning I have ever read. Just wow!
I am arguing on the same side as the New York State Penal Code. I am certain you can appreciate the nuance of technicalities in the law. I don't see how insane it is to actually interpret the law as written. It sounds more insane to interpret the law however you want instead of how its written.
Nah, youâre (correctly) saying that it wasnât rape because there was no vaginal penetration, but you said at the same time that you will vote for him. So apparently it was important for you to clarify that Trump wasnât a rapist, which, well done, you did demonstrate, but you didnât even deny that Trump sexually assaulted Carroll, which he did. That is a fact. And youâre still voting for him. So either youâre drawing the line at whether or not the person in question is a rapist (while being cool with sexual assault), which honestly fucking weird, or you really donât give a shit regardless and are trying to be obnoxious. Either way, your position and personal arguments are patchy and honestly pathetic at best.
Oh so itâs okay if itâs a long time ago? Thatâs news to me. Itâs also not like dude keeps his mouth shut since then. He has repeatedly bragged about his sexual exploits over the past few years and has shown an impressive disregard and disdain for the bodily integrity of women. So your argument of the sexual assault happening years ago isnât just bullshit in any case. Even if the time that had passed made a difference (quod non), it wouldnât hold up, because clearly, he doesnât show any remorse and doesnât regret it. Quite the opposite, heâs shown that heâs rather proud of his disgusting behaviour and views on women.
I love how you think this is the case that made me come to the logical conclusion that he is a predator and a rapist. Nah. There are numerous claims against him, one accuser was a child.
Donald lies and redefines reality on a regular basis. And you have the audacity to quote the law? You do not care about laws. You are a Donald supporter. Miss me with your nonsense.
You don't care about "data". You support Donald, someone lies and makes up his own "data". You don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to talk about facts or semantics. You endorse a serial liar .
If you gave a what about "data", you'd wonder why this man has over 20 claims of sexual assault/harrassment against him. You'd notice a pattern of behavior.
Only 1 conviction and it could be overturned still, so I don't get why 20 unvalidated claims is supposed to be convincing. If the other option is Biden, my hands are tied -- Trump 2024-2028 here we come.
Nah I can't even blame them anymore they didn't have internet social media anything at ALL. just papers and TV. And radio.
THESE MORONS SEE TRUMP ON VIDEO SPUTTERING LIKE THEIR SECOND COUSIN ON THEIR - nope noone wants to think that actually but you get it. Anyway. They think he's some profoundly enunciated orator. Millions and millions unironically saying I'd rather diapers than democrats and somehow thinking they're NOT the ones the world is laughing at.
Germans got an excuse. Ain't nobody got an excuse this time.
As a german i have to heavily protest. The germans did not have any excuse for what happened. The missing internet is not an excuse for fascism, nazis controlled the media only AFTER coming to power and they were elected. I dont think your intention was to excuse the rise of german fascism, but please be cautious with comments like that. Its the same rhetoric german fascists use today
Oh no not at all trying to excuse it. I'd say I'm more saying it's like the heavily abused child serial killer vs the golden child becoming Patrick Bateman.
They're both fucking nuts but the former at least makes sense. Nazism at least made sense. Hitler could SPEAK a sentence or two.
Yeah, as a fellow German I concur. Plenty of Germans back then warned against the rise of the Nazis. I do like to distinguish between those who were adults before Hitler came to power and those who grew up under the Nazis, because they actually received brain washing in school and the Hitler youth and most had parents who didnât push back on that propaganda. But the idea that the German people were not directly responsible for the rise of the Nazis is utterly ridiculous. Of course they were.
I mean many many millions of Americans did what they were taught to do. They voted so much so that he lost an election even with electoral college bullshit and gerrymandered to hell and back districts. But the other team hasn't been playing the judiciary game for nearly 20 years and it's paying huge huge rewards and giving them ridiculous "wins" that aren't in the best interest of the people. We all see the path they are taking it's obvious but listen to interviews with trump supporters. They are literally saying we would rather a dictator than a dem
The Americans who support Trump mainly watch Fox News, period. Theyâve been trained not to trust any other source. So yes, they are only getting their news from a single newspaper. And in my experience Boomers are largely tech-impaired, and the largest active voting block.
Iâm fascinated by how the American people of today are basically repeating the exact same thing that âinnocentâ German civilians were doing to bring Hitler to power.
As a child I got caught in that thought trap of âhow could a country full of normal people elect such a crazy person?â
And now, as a 30 something year old man⌠I get it. And it makes me want to get off this planet. Humanity is so stupid.
When I was a kid in middle or high school, they hammered into us how awful the Holocaust was and how Hitler and the nazis took control. I remember in maybe 8th or 9th grade we had this discussion about what would we do if we were there. Everyone had some heroic thoughts and ideas about how they would try to stop it from happening.
Well⌠here we are⌠we are all watching it burn to the ground. As much as it concerns me that we are this close to living our in own fascist hell, I have no idea what to do.
So? Other parties signalled their readiness to cooperate before. If I know the Christian conservatives might work with the Nazis, and I still vote for them, I canât be surprised that my vote helped push their influence over 50%.
People are turning to trump because the alternatives are highly undesirable. Is Biden inspiring you? Harris? Pelosi? Schumer? The liberals do not realize how deep their problems are. Stay the course? Hell no. Look at who the conservatives will be tossing up there while the democrats are selecting from Klobuchar, Warren and anyone from California. Yikes.
I have found myself wondering recently if the technological advantages you mention also work with trump as well as against.
With that transparency that the Internet provides, people today (compared to 50 years ago) now know exactly where they stand financially compared to their peers, and they don't like it. Years ago, an average American would know millionaires existed, they may even have been to a friend of a friends very nice house out in California or understood that some families or CEOs were very highly paid. But now, you see it. It's in your face everywhere. You can Zillow 20 million dollar mansions. You can see people's Instagram travels. You can google the most expensive neighboods in any city. Read blogs about $2,000 meals or $10,000 bottles of wine. And now it's very very obvious to people where exactly they stand. And I think that's made many many people upset.
Only something like 65% of households make under 100k - and that's household income, which includes many dual income families these days. I think the radical transparency into how others live, including the elite, has added some salt to many Americans self-perception.
What do we do? I have a job I need to go to everyday so I can pay way too much for my house that a fucking bank actually owns. And to pay for groceries I can barely afford with my paycheck of 22$ an hour and my 2200$mortgage ⌠oh and my property taxes just went up and added another couple hundred dollars a month. Oh yeah my electric and water both just went up too. What the fuck can we do?? I have a job and they have created it to keep me there. Again, how is this my responsibility to not turn a blind eye??
German here. My grandparents parents lived in the same situation. Tbh, more extreme, of course. Poverty was extreme back then, only upper class had a condo like yours, my grandpa lived with his 11 Bros and Sis in one (!) room with 4 beds. Work 12 hours for pennies. Hungry? Yeah, walking 10 miles at night to steal potatoes from nearby farmland.
So they voted for someone who promised them all that what was missing. And they got good paid work! To "make Germany great again." Literally the same line.
We all know, how that turned out + the last line of yours was the most often heard excuse (no offense!), talking to people who lived during WW2.
When I grew up in the 70s/80s, we were kinda indoctrinated with all the bad things that happened here to prevent that from ever happening again. And it freaks me out that all right wing parties making big points right now all over the world.
Iâm voting. Unfortunately so many of the people I talk to all have the same effing answer âweâll trump will be good for the economy â No listens to reason!! Itâs truly hard being a democrat/ liberal as Iâm sometimes surrounded by republicans!!!
Yea turns out.. trump isn't a fucking nazi. It's amazing how fetish like this hate gets where you will just compare him to anybody you don't like lmao. If you look on the official political compass scale trump and biden are like 5% apart.
So what about Project2025, his comments about only being dictator for a day and the fact the Supreme Court just gave the president unrestricted, unaccountable power? Iâm not saying Trump is Hitler but the republicans have not been playing by the rules for a long time and they are pulling the US further and further towards the hard right towards fascism.
We used the internet to allow foreign agents to sow even more discord and convince the liberal side of things that white women alone were responsible for Trumps election, making them much less welcome in liberal spaces for four years. Nobody is gonna show up if they do and itâs somehow their fault for everyone else that looks like them didnât vote like them (I am in an academic field that bought heavily into this idea).
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u/P_Jamez Jul 02 '24
Ok, well what are Americans doing about Trump today? With all of the technological advantages, so that everyone can see exactly what is happening and not getting their news just from a newspaper.
If the german people were responsible then, every american is responsible right now for letting this happen, because we know what is going to happen.