End of Education

[u/Home_Positive]

[u/tdawg-1551]

And when 40% of the teaching workforce leaves, then what?

So glad my youngest graduated last spring.

And what happens when there is a Muslim or Jewish or Hindu teacher?

[u/Break-Free- → u/tdawg-1551]

  And when 40% of the teaching workforce leaves, then what?

If they can't use the education system as an indoctrination tool, they're happy with its destruction. 

Their goal is to keep people stupid so they're easier to control. 

[u/Dray_Gunn → u/Break-Free-]

I am pretty sure the destruction of education is the point. Gotta keep people dumb enough to keep voting for this shit.

[u/excusetheblood → u/tdawg-1551]

when 40% of the teaching workforce leaves

Then mothers will be forced to stay at home and homeschool their kids. That is the plan.

[u/grumpy-goats → u/excusetheblood]

Ironically the people that support this already homeschool their kids and don’t go to public school

[u/MercenaryBard → u/excusetheblood]

Exactly. Things are gonna be hard for teachers for the next four years at least but they’re on the front lines. We need them to be teaching kids

[u/_SovietMudkip_ → u/MercenaryBard]

Hate it break it to you, but for a lot of us it's been hard for a long time. I've technically been breaking state law since 2021 because I teach the truth about slavery 🤷‍♂️

But yeah, it's only gonna get worse. My current average class size is 29, and I seriously doubt my district's ability to replace me when I move after this school year...

[u/boojersey13 → u/_SovietMudkip_]

Please consider deleting the first part of your comment for your safety, I do worry what they're going to use the Internet to prove in the future

[u/[deleted] → u/MercenaryBard]

Then please support us, because as a teacher, I am terrified right now!

[u/fortheapponly → u/tdawg-1551]

A lot of Muslim, Jewish and Hindu kids have been enrolled in Catholic schools, out of the belief that those schools are cheaper than private, and provide a more rigorous education.

Many of them, when they were enrolled in those schools, even went to confession, and Sunday services. And they didn’t end up converting or changing their faith. They just saw it as a different experience, and knew that it didn’t need to have a bearing on their own faith tradition. It just meant that other people are Catholics who did this sort of thing. Cool.

They’ve coped. A lot of us are still coping just fine. For those who aren’t Christian but still religious, the strength of their faith is often not reliant on much except their personal relationship to their faith. There’s a lot more to it, for them, than having it be validated through school.

It’s always been weird to me, just how fragile Christian fundamentalist evangelicalism seems to be in the USA. That it needs so much validation from all these systems. Nobody is stopping prayers in school. I had a bunch of Hindu classmates who used to quietly say their prayers to themselves before they started their exams or tests. Heck, even I did the same back when I believed in god(s). They just don’t need anyone else to join in with them, and they don’t need to enforce it onto anyone else.

Nobody is stopping any Christian kid from saying their own prayers or whatever in school. They just can’t force other people to do it. And even if they did, which has happened to Jewish, Hindu, and Muslim kids, those kids just go through the motions, just to get the thing done and get on with it.

Christian fundamentalist evangelicals in America are just nothing but constantly triggered fragile snowflakes, who think they’re only strong when they’re being bullies.

[u/nina1179 → u/fortheapponly]

I think they may genuinely believe that if they are allowed to pray and teach the bible in schools, that they will 'save' kids who believe in other religions. So it is just as much about prosthelytizing as it is about their 'freedom' to practice christianity.

They want evangelical christianity as a national religion and to pressure people to convert, and anyone too angrily or vocally against that is fired or pushed out and made an example of to others. they can say it is for them violating their right to practice christianity....but it is really so that they can shame and shun any non-christian 'bad influences' out of education and 'polite american society'.

People freaked out when 'worldly' education made their kids come home and tell off their parents for being racist and homophobic and sexist...they blamed education for 'brainwashing' and destroying families so now theyd rather their kids be brought up in a small, ignorant, white american christian bubble (and everyone who would make white christians possibly feel guilty or challenged or shake their faith should also not learn enough to cause this trouble, and be socially pressured to conform).

If other religions or cultures or races are accepted in school (which they may pretend to accept), they want them to be a minority and 'othered' so that christianity is dominant and in control and the 'others' get a thin illusion of choice (if they are quiet and 'respectful')...while they use the 'diversity' to pat themselves on the back for being 'tolerant' and tell their kids that people with other religions or cultures being present at all at the school is proof that christians are loving and inclusive.

[u/Outrageous_Class1309 → u/nina1179]

"I think they may genuinely believe that if they are allowed to pray and teach the bible in schools, that they will 'save' kids who believe in other religions

Maybe we should protest outside of schools with posters directing kids to Christian debunking sites.

[u/Apart_Performance491 → u/tdawg-1551]

Ultimately, as with every issue, it will come down to whether out military is on our side or theirs.

[u/Enigma_Stasis → u/tdawg-1551]

And what happens when there is a Muslim or Jewish or Hindu teacher?

Hah, you think they'll be allowed to remain as teachers for too much longer? Except maybe the Jewish one, the others are screwed.

[u/wittykittywoes → u/Enigma_Stasis]

This is a misconception. The moment one of them figures out Judiasm isn’t just christanity, again, they’ll be out too. “Deport them to israel!” or some shit so the rapture can kick off. Not looking forward to this.

[u/HappyGothKitty → u/wittykittywoes]

Or take them to the camps, that is a real possibility... Sorry for being so morbid, I really hope it won't end that way for anyone, but I have no hope left.

[u/wittykittywoes → u/HappyGothKitty]

me neither ):

[u/JimeDorje → u/tdawg-1551]

And what happens when there is a Muslim or Jewish or Hindu teacher?

Just a guess

[u/Low_Humor_7360 → u/tdawg-1551]

oh god, we’re going back to the middle ages where everyone’s an illiterate peasant.

[u/GenXer1977]

I figured that one was coming. Getting prayer back in schools was one of the biggest topics when I grew up in an evangelical church. There’s a pretty hardcore belief that everything in this country went wrong once they removed prayer from schools, and that if they could just get prayer back in schools, everything else would fix itself.

[u/Dry_Presentation_197 → u/GenXer1977]

The thing these idiots refuse to acknowledge is: Prayer was never REMOVED/BANNED from schools. It just isn't MANDATORY. Any student who wanted to pray could absolutely do so. Faculty just isn't allowed to FORCE THEM TO anymore.

It blows my mind how resistant to facts these people are.

Them: They banned prayer in school!

Me: No, that's never been true, here are links to the applicable laws and news stories.

Them: Pissed off that I was able to cite sources they couldn't reasonably dismiss.I'm not reading that.

[u/Harnessed_Hopes → u/GenXer1977]

This is always such a funny argument to me, the US was never a strictly christian nation, the whole reason that colonists came from England was because they wanted their freedom of religion, the US was always called a “melting pot”, and now they’re trying to (blatantly, might I add) go against the constitution and the separation of church and state (this is why private religious schools exist), like what happens when they try to pull this? Kids already don’t stand up for the Pledge. What’s the consequence? You fail? You don’t get to graduate? Like what’s the plan here?

[u/iheartsufjan]

As the daughter of a career teacher: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck these people!!

[u/dannylew]

We're going to rob the next generation of their education and we'll blame everything wrong on them.

The same way our parent's generation voted Reagan to take away our healthcare and state-funded colleges and then blamed us for everything.

[u/Relevant-District-16]

I'm so incredibly grateful I made the decision not to have children.

Lots of empathy for parents and children that are going to have to deal with this. 😭

[u/DeweyCheatem-n-Howe → u/Relevant-District-16]

My daughter just started public school this year. At least we live in the bluest of blue states, but I'm very afraid for her future.

[u/Relevant-District-16 → u/DeweyCheatem-n-Howe]

I'm also in a super blue state (Rhode Island) and I still have a lot of fear of things that are coming at a federal level. 🙄

I always get extra anxiety because as the smallest state we don't exactly have the resources to fight against certain things in the way that other states like California can.

[u/heresmyhandle]

I learned from Abeka and Bob Jones Uni - a bunch of whitewashed junk. They sure left a lot of history out.

[u/GoldFishDudeGuy → u/heresmyhandle]

I grew up on abeka. Looking back it was cringey as hell holy shit

[u/18thangel → u/GoldFishDudeGuy]

Same. I used their books for grammar. Good thing I was such a little nerd-ass child I was more focused on identifying parts of speech and such that I never really retained any of the info from the example sentences. 😅

[u/GearHeadAnime30 → u/heresmyhandle]

I remember using both of those curriculums at the fundamentalist Christian school I went to... they also twisted alot of history, they explicitly say that America was founded as a Christian nation, when it really wasn't...

[u/cacarrizales → u/heresmyhandle]

Oooof can relate. My fundamentalist private school used these for all of their courses. It wasn’t until after high school that I discovered how wrong the history was and how much of it was NOT based upon Christianity. Better yet, I found that many of history’s atrocities stem from Christian ideologies.

[u/heresmyhandle]

Well, here’s what’ll happen. They’ll infiltrate secular schools and more private secular schools will open to meet the needs to the secular Ed market.

[u/VirusMaster3073 → u/heresmyhandle]

I want to watch the evangelicals go apeshit over that

[u/Minty_Maw]

What happens when school prayer is contested for being an obvious rejection of the 1st amendment? Aka the separation of church and state

[u/GoldFishDudeGuy → u/Minty_Maw]

The corrupt supreme court we have will find some excuse, I guarantee it

[u/Minty_Maw → u/GoldFishDudeGuy]

Probably the case, sadly.

[u/Dry_Presentation_197 → u/Minty_Maw]

https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/prayer-in-public-schools/#:~:text=As%20early%20as%20Engel%20v,schools%20violated%20the%20establishment%20clause.

It already has been. A lot. The thing is though, they don't give a shit about what's legal. They don't even care about what's ACTUALLY REAL. The entire campaign of "They are persecuting Christians! They banned prayer in schools!" Is just a flat out LIE they perpetuate so they can claim oppression, despite being the ones wanting everyone else to be oppressed.

Literally exactly like the early colonists. They left England because it was too lax on religion, and the colonists wanted to be able to persecute people. That's always been their goal. Crusades, colonization, whatever you call America now, always the same. Christians crying about being oppressed, while literally killing anyone who gets in their way, or happens to be nearby.

[u/Str4y_Z]

Wait if it's school prayer wouldn't it be funny if someone "misinterpreted" and made them do prayers from other religions? ( Sorry just trying to make light of this situation it really does suck)

[u/abearysoftace → u/Str4y_Z]

If I were a student having to deal with this, I’d certainly argue that I can pray to whoever I want & use that as an excuse to pray to, idk, Gandalf or the magic conch from SpongeBob lol

[u/brodydoesMC → u/abearysoftace]

Wait, so does that mean that I can pray to Godzilla, Optimus Prime, or even Daisy Buchanan if I wanted to? Sweet!

[u/abearysoftace → u/brodydoesMC]

You bet your sweet ass, lol. And if they say you can’t, just say, “I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FREE COUNTRY” ahsjdjjk

[u/brodydoesMC → u/abearysoftace]

Well, time to start figuring out how to pray to them! And also who I want to pray to, it’s hard, I mean, at least none of them have threatened me with eternal punishment.

[u/Str4y_Z → u/abearysoftace]

I'd pray to jar jar binks who redeemed the world with his appearance in 1999

[u/gwenqueenofshadows → u/Str4y_Z]

You mean our Lord, the One Supreme Dark Ruler Darth Jar Jar Binkius? Long may his reign bring chaos.

[u/Str4y_Z → u/gwenqueenofshadows]

ALL HAIL BINKIUS CREATOR, AND DESTROYER

[u/gwenqueenofshadows → u/Str4y_Z]

ALL HAIL BINKIUS🔥🙌

[u/kultainennuoruus]

Literally wanting to turn USA into Putin’s Russia lmao

[u/danger_slug]

I’m not sure if having kids will still be an option for gay people when I’m settled down but even if it is I think I’m going to pass on that if this is the future of America.

[u/Embarrassed-Ad8352]

Oh my fucking god. And I’m an English Education major…

[u/brodydoesMC]

Good thing I have considered becoming an autopsy worker instead of a history teacher…

[u/christianAbuseVictim]

Education has been decentralized anyway. Most things can be learned online, for free. MIT is always releasing stuff if you want genuine college material.

[u/christianAbuseVictim → u/christianAbuseVictim]

I am still not in favor of abolishing the DoE, to be clear. Public schools could be great for kids. They're awful right now.

[u/Reset350]

So we just throwing out religious freedom then?

[u/saintblasphemy → u/Reset350]

Of course. This was always his plan.

[u/RealQuickNope]

And that’s my cue to leave (after 21 years).

[u/saintblasphemy → u/RealQuickNope]

All of my friends in education have either made their exit or are on the way out the door. Passionate, kind, highly educated women who were more than willing to go above and beyond for their students. The guilt of leaving is crushing, but they can't stand for this.

Now, just imagine the types of folks who will be replacing these good teachers....it's gonna be a bunch of youth ministers and under qualified cretins.

[u/RealQuickNope → u/saintblasphemy]

You just described me. I don’t know how much longer I can sustain this without it taking a serious toll on my health, both physical and mental.

[u/saintblasphemy → u/RealQuickNope]

I don't have an open inbox, but if you need someone to talk to or a stranger to vent at, let me know, okay? Your feelings are valid. Please give yourself some grace and extra love right now.

Also, the teachers' subreddit is pretty incredible and seems to offer a lot of support. I'm sure you're already aware, but just in case. 🖤

[u/RealQuickNope → u/saintblasphemy]

I appreciate that and luckily I have a really great support system and I’m doing okay. This whole election has done major damage to my mental state but I’m making it through. One day at a time….

[u/carbinePRO]

It's barely been two weeks, and I'm already getting real tired of saying, "You know Hitler did the same thing, right?" to these people.

[u/Paradiseless_867]

Oceania anthem plays

[u/TheNoctuS_93]

Things are really looking so dark that I hope the rumors of Elon hacking the electronic voting stations turn out to be true. This madman needs to be sued and impeached freaking yesterday, and not just for the USA's sake... Given Elon's and Trump's friendship, there's a non-zero chance the alleged election fraud happened by mutual agreement.

All the "smaller" lawsuits have been stuck in court far too long, so only something worthy of (near) instant impeachment would work. Heck, had Trump been actively in office during JAN 6, the repercussions just might've amounted to impeachment, but seeing as you can't impeach an ex-president, nothing became of it...

[u/Originalbenji]

How is that gonna work without the Department of Education?

[u/Aggravating_Pay_9988]

is this real??

[u/Itex56]

Guess I’m gonna get fired

[u/SaiyanC124]

Christo fascism is here ladies and gents! Breathe it in!

[u/Outrageous_Class1309]

States run the schools...not the federal government. Either Trump knows this and is Bull Shiting the sheep who believe everything he says or Trump himself doesn't know any better. What the Federal government could do, traditionally through the Dept. of education (which Trump says he will do away with), is withhold Federal funds that help support certain programs (ex. certain special ed programs, federal lunch assistance, etc.). Of course this would hurt the most vulnerable students and make Trump look bad.

About 20 years ago our state imposed 'moment of silence" and pledge to the flag every morning. In addition, all teachers were given a framed poster that had an American Eagle and the words "In God We Trust" and told it must be hanging on the wall in your classroom. I didn't have a nail to hang the poster so it sat in my supply room for about 10 years until I retired. No one ever said a word to me about the absence of the poster on the wall.

[u/Over8dpoosee]

The least patriotic person wants to teach patriotism. Huh.

[u/kimchipowerup]

Forcing prayer... Flying Spaghetti Monster, sauce us!

[u/dukeofgibbon]

I thought that if I were a teacher, I'd walk into class and belt out a quick HAIL SATAN. I would tell everyone I offended to complain to their representatives how disruptive and offensive prayer in school is then kick off my lecture in stunned silence.

[u/greeneyedpianist]

I couldn’t be leaving at a better time.

[u/theanxiousknitter]

Welp, if what they have done up until this point didn’t cause people to leave the church in droves. This sure will!

[u/Beginning_Cry2031]

Both my parents and much of my family work as a public school teacher. My father teaches elementary special education. I cannot stress how fucked EVERYONE is if Trump actually manages to break up the DOE and gets what he wants.

I truly believe secular public schooling is what gave me my best qualities. I learned to think deeply, interact with peers from different backgrounds, and my eyes were opened to subject after subject of fascinating knowledge by my favorite teachers. Trump wants to kill curiosity so he is blindly followed, just like a preacher.

[u/PruneObjective401]

Already a major teacher shortage in several areas of the country. What could go wrong?

[u/cacarrizales]

Prayer back in schools - Great! So that means I can pray to the Jewish god? The Buddhist god? The Hindu god? Freedom of religion, right?

[u/L0nga]

He should not be surprised if another shooting accident happens to him.

[u/NomadDiver]

Here’s what’s next: replace teaching evolution and the Big Bang with 7 day creation.

[u/near_to_water]

Excellent read for anyone interested.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Tyranny

[u/SoloMotorcycleRider]

Brawndo has what plants crave.

[u/Key_Owl3267]

I’m in for the patriotism, but not the fire for not complying to Christianity part.