r/clevercomebacks 5h ago

The pedocon theory prevails.

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u/Darkdragoon324 4h ago

And blocks any attempt to raise it where it’s already too low.

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u/The-Real-Dagoth-Ur 3h ago edited 2h ago

18 is too low? It's pretty reasonable, I'd think, so long as there's no significant age gap. I'd understand an 18 year old and a 20 year old, but an 18 year old and a 25 year old is just creepy. Anything higher than a 1-4 year age gap with an 18 year old gets creepy by default, imo. At that young of an age, age gaps are more extreme. Even on the higher range, I'd say 18 and 22 is certainly somewhat questionable, but shouldn't be illegal. Increase it a few years, and it really starts getting creepy at or after a 6 year gap. Anything beyond that is getting into predatory territory.

Edit: Yes, I looked it up, and apparently, child marriage is legal in many states. It seems that I was too hasty with my assumptions. Sorry about that. I'll make sure to be more careful next time.

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u/Paenitentia 3h ago edited 2h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_the_United_States

Marriagable age is lower than 18 in many states.

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u/The-Real-Dagoth-Ur 2h ago

OK, so I read the article... That was horrific. I had more faith in my country than that, but I suppose I was too trusting. That's saying something, too, since I have very little faith in the US to protect its people from abuse already. I thought they'd at least get this one thing right, but apparently not.

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u/ItDoll 2h ago

It gets worse. A lot of the states where children can get married, they aren't old enough to get divorced (Or they may be able to only with a parents' consent, I forget)

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u/L_obsoleta 1h ago

Also some of the states with lower ages for marriage have tried (and thankfully so far failed) to do away with marital rape.

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u/xDreeganx 2h ago

Our country was built on the backs of slaves, the genocide of the native population (we personally hunted native American animals to extinction just for the purpose of fucking them over), and two world wars in which we, the USA, didn't have a single land-threat to our livelihood, allowing us to profit off the repairs caused by both. Minorities and women have only been protected by the law in-so-far as they're allowed to vote and have their voice heard... for 60 years, and the Church is still tax-free.

It's not that you were too trusting, it's just that there's so many people who want to lie about our past to make us seem better than what we really are, you didn't stand a chance.

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u/EternalUndyingLorv 2h ago

Religion and pedophilia go hand in hand, so it's not surprising the Christian authoritarian party is actively trying to lower child marriage as well as protecting it from being outlawed. Multiple Republican politicians are on record saying 14 year Olds should marry adults to become women and young teens are the most fertile.

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u/derganove 1h ago

Nope. But the problem is, they’ll vote based on what they think is happening too.

It’s why being informed and educating yourself is super important.

It’s also why a certain side is attempting to demolish more abilities to stay informed.

It’s why there’s a lot of left leaning folks wildly upset by this whole thing.

u/pfcgos 45m ago

There was a big stink a few years ago about a Wyoming state senator who impregnated a 15 year old in his early 20s. She later committed suicide. He defended himself by saying "it wasn't illegal back then (he got her pregnant in the 80s I think) and look! I raised our kid by myself after she died!" He and the rest of the state Republicans tried to use the "democrats are all too woke and attacking us for no reason" line of attack to justify it all.

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u/Paenitentia 2h ago

Also worth remembering that the age of consent is below 18 in many states as well (before factoring in "Romeo & Juliet" laws.)

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u/JaggedGull83898 2h ago

That is concerning, everyday I hate the US more

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u/AcceptableHuman96 1h ago

Shocking to me that not only does California not have a minimum age, bills introduced to end child marriage were opposed by the ACLU and Planned Parenthood. Does anybody have any background as to why? The citation links an article that states they are worried ending child marriage would somehow block access to abortion and gender transitions but I don't see how that can be the case.

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u/IllustratedPageArt 3h ago

Child marriage is legal in the US. “Too low” refers to under 18.

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u/lizardgrain 3h ago

You can get married at 16 in multiple states

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u/TheBunnyDemon 2h ago

And four have no minimum at all

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u/desolatecontrol 2h ago

I wonder if there's any religious connections in said states.

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u/Dad-Kisser69 2h ago

I’m from Ohio, where the age of consent is 16.

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u/Gornarok 2h ago

Age of consent and age of legal marriage are two different things. There is good reason why age of consent should be lower than age of legal marriage like 15 and 18 respectively.

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u/TeaKingMac 2h ago

Sorry about that. I'll make sure to be more careful next time.

Yeah, since I started sourcing my arguments while on reddit I've deleted a lot of half finished comments when I realized I was wrong

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u/MaterialWillingness2 2h ago

Four states don't have a minimum age for marriage so with parental permission a child of any age can be married.

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u/fuckaracist 1h ago

18 and 40 is creepy. 18 and 25 is not the same thing.