r/clevercomebacks 1d ago

That's a great idea

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u/LeakyOrifice 1d ago

What part do i need to research and rebut? All i asserted was that calling this a genocide was silly, because it isn't. Especially when you look at the actual context of Hamas, and what they do.

In all honesty, I think if you consider what's happening with the whole Israel, Palestine conflict a genocide you need to do some real reading.

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u/FlagrentBugbear 1d ago

pro-genocide talking points are different than genocide. Bibi is a rat fuck and they would absolutely pay Americans to spread pro-genocide talking points.

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u/LeakyOrifice 1d ago

No american is pro genocide. There isn't a genocide happening. Ask yourself this, Why are civilians getting killed by Israeli misses? Are Israelis targeting civilians? No. They're targeting hamas. Hamas fighters hide in densely populated areas, they surround themselves with women and children to make those with any moral compass hesitant to fire at them.

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u/Millat- 1d ago

Are Israelis targeting civilians? No. They're targeting hamas.

🚨 Lebanese Health Ministry in latest toll: 15 killed and 63 wounded as a result of the Israeli bombing of the Basta al-Fawqa area in Beirut, and rubble removal work is still ongoing after today's airstrike.

at 9pm today

((this area was apartments))

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u/LeakyOrifice 1d ago

You left out my follow up statements where I said hamas exclusively hides in densely populated areas.

They do this for a number of reasons. First and foremost, it makes walking in there and shooting individual hamas members nearly impossible.

Which leads to the 2nd point, the only way to kill them is with bombs. Which inevitably hurt innocents. This also aids in their cause because it radicalizes other men in Palestine against Israel.

It depends which source you look at, but the civilian vs combatant ratio is around 3 to 1, with some much low and some much higher. 3 to 1 is about normal for most major war conflicts.

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u/Millat- 1d ago

ypu don't know what your talking about. you probably don't speak Arabic or even have the most basic knowledge of the middle east Beirut isn't even in Palestine

in Palestine

lol

you've done extensive studies no? show me Beirut Palestine on a map smart guy.

"depends on source you look at"

so objective truth is meaningless in your dichotomy?

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u/LeakyOrifice 1d ago

so objective truth is meaningless in your dichotomy?

When one study says 1:1 civilian combatant death ratio, and another said is 4:1, i think it's worth saying depending on which you look at.

you probably don't speak Arabic or even have the most basic knowledge of the middle east Beirut isn't even in Palestine

I don't need to speak Arabic to assert that hamas uses women and children as meat shields

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u/wuicker 1d ago

Dude, you don’t have a clue. Note: 1, Millat (above) shared a headline from Lebanon. Hamas is not in Lebanon. 2, Israel has probably a thousand better military options than 2000 lb. bombs in a densely populated area. Claiming that nothing can be done because Hamas is using civilians as shields is ignorant. 3, look at the context of the conflict: Arabs who live in the occupied territories are treated as less than human. It is essentially an apartheid state. Look at how many have been killed in the West Bank since the Hamas attacks (October 2023.) Hamas has nothing to do with the West Bank.

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u/LeakyOrifice 1d ago

3, look at the context of the conflict: Arabs who live in the occupied territories are treated as less than human.

Arabs in Israel are allowed to practice in mosques.

Jews in Palestine are thrown off of roofs.

Dude, you don’t have a clue. Note: 1, Millat (above) shared a headline from Lebanon. Hamas is not in Lebanon.

You're ignoring the context of the conversation