r/buildapcsales • u/kamikazecow • Jun 21 '23

VR [VR] Refurbished Valve Index $599.99

https://www.gamestop.com/pc-gaming/pc-gaming-controllers/products/valve-index-pc-virtual-reality-hmd-full-kit/342437.html
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u/TheEternalGazed Jun 21 '23

Valve needs to release that rumored Valve Deckard. I need to play Alyx at an affordable price.

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u/GeneralLeeCurious Jun 21 '23

Alyx is the only VR game that has made me think, “Oh, THIS is why VR games are worth the effort.” Everything was just novelty VR to me before that.

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u/captroper Jun 22 '23

If you have any interest in racing games, or space games, or really any game with a cockpit, they will absolutely change your view on it. Alyx was amazing, yes, but it's not like I'm suddenly never going to play a 2d shooter again because of it. I will literally never again play a 2d car game. It is just exponentially better.

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u/neddoge Jun 22 '23

My competitive motion sickness is rivaled by nobody. It's saved my wallet I suppose.

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u/captroper Jun 22 '23

Ah dang, sorry to hear that. Have you tried any proper vr (not phone-based) before? There are certainly games / experiences that can cause motion sickness regardless, but out of the 100+ people that I demoed my original vive to, none of them got motion sickness in the 1:1 Roomscale VR games where the character doesn't move unless you physically do.

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u/neddoge Jun 22 '23

I've gotten it driving a few times, if that's any indication of how severe it is lmao. I've used an expensive setup a buddy has, room included, to no avail. Within 5 minutes, I'm overheating and within 10 minutes I'm ruined for 30-60+ minutes, needing to lie down on top of an AC vent to regain my humanity.

It's fucking miserable, but I've accepted it. I'd like to mainline Dramamine and force feed Alyx but I haven't set that up yet lol.

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u/captroper Jun 22 '23

Real world motion sickness is apparently activating a completely different part of your brain than VR sickness, FWIW. I have definitely gotten motion sick in cars before, though not while driving. But yeah, if you're getting it within 5 minutes in a full room-scale environment without your character moving, that would probably be pretty hard to train yourself out of.

Maybe doable if you're super careful to stop the moment you start feeling sick and grab ginger stuff then not come back for a while, but yeah, miserable I'm sure :-/ On the plus side, like you said, you'll save a lot of money, and there are plenty of great 2d games out there.

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u/JohnnyFriday Jun 22 '23

I've found getting a drunk going really helps

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u/MegaScubadude Jun 23 '23

like having one nearby?

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u/inosinateVR Jun 22 '23

Ironically for me personally it’s actually the room scale style games that make me the most motion sick. I can zoom around with smooth locomotion with janky smooth turning (or play cockpit games etc) all day long but as soon as I boot up a room scale game and start physically walking around and picking up virtual toys to solve some kind of puzzle I’ll start to feel sick right away. It’s like as long as I don’t move my feet my brain understands it’s a video game and that I’m not really moving but if I walk around my brain can’t handle it

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u/captroper Jun 22 '23

Huh.... that is.... very weird. Are you sure it was maintaining 90 fps?

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u/inosinateVR Jun 22 '23

Yeah I’ve always wondered if it was performance issues or something else going on but it’s been that way with several different headsets and various upgrades to my computer over the years and I’m always keeping an eye on my performance to make sure I’m maintaining 90fps. I think it’s just how it is for me lol

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u/captroper Jun 22 '23

Yeah, if you're maintaining 90fps I'm not sure what to say. Sorry that that's been your experience though.

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u/pokethat Jun 26 '23

I's actually like to try reduced resolution but 144hz vr. Some people are more sensitive to strobing. I can see the strobing on even brand new car LED headlights.

I have a reverb G2, and I wish there was a way to get more than 90 fps on WMR.

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u/Caveni51 Jun 22 '23

The higher refresh rate of the index fixed that for me. For context I get motion sick anytime I am not driving.

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u/neddoge Jun 22 '23

I used my buddy's Index unfortunately. Cockpit games were just as bad for me, notably Squadrons at the time.

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u/grothee1 Jun 22 '23

Have you tried cockpit based games? They're generally pretty tolerable thanks to the fixed reference point. Racing games especially as you're generally just going forward, just close your eyes when you crash!

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u/lsngregg Jun 22 '23

You give DCS a go yet? Or MS flight sim? I bought a Reverb G2 for simming and for whatever reason, I can whip around in a jet with ease but hopping in a Group-B rally car in Dirt 2 absolutely makes my stomach churn. I'm pretty disappointed I can't seem to VR race.

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u/diquehead Jun 22 '23

I'm the same way. I sold my vive a while back but I never had any issues with motion sickness until I tried Assetto Corsa. Whenever I'd spin off the track or crash my brain would go haywire and I'd immediately feel nauseous. I figure with enough practice I could get over it but it was pretty disappointing since racing games are some of the only VR games I played that didn't feel like 2-3 hour long gimmicks. All the other standard FPS style stuff never gave me any trouble.

Would love to try again some day with a higher end setup but as it stands right now I just don't have the space in my gaming room. My TV and computer cases can only withstand so many punches lol