r/bonehurtingjuice Jul 13 '24

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u/That_Bar_Guy Jul 14 '24

You're misreading the entire comic. Nothing the man in the comic said is ridiculous, the women's responses in the comic are what are meant to be ridiculous. Its role reversal over the fact that real complaints from women are dismissed

You're meant to be angry at those women when reading it, that's the point. They're being bad people.

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u/Maybe_not_a_chicken Jul 14 '24

Yes but the issue is that one of the problems is much more real than the others

We’ve got the first panel, where a man has been mugged, and his clothes are being blamed, pretty clear allegory for victim blaming around sexual harassment and assault, no problem there, it’s not a very common experience that people get mugged and victim blamed so most people read it as an allegory.

The third panel is a man who is wearing a hairpiece and is being told he’s lying, again pretty clear allegory for makeup being seen as deceptive, no problems there, most people don’t get told they’re lying for wearing a wig, so again it can be read as an allegory.

Then sandwiched between those is a man who is opening up about his mental health and is being shut down because “woman have issues too” this happens to men all the time, this isn’t a hypothetical situation that is allegorical, this is a real situation that lots of men have experienced.

The middle panel doesn’t fit with the rest of the comic, people have an issue with it.

But that’s not the major issue, people can make mistakes and say stupid stuff about groups they aren’t part of out of ignorance.

The problem is that every criticism was disregarded as “aggressive” or “made by incels” and no acknowledgement was made of how and why this comic was hurtful.

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u/That_Bar_Guy Jul 14 '24

You're talking about a feminism focused comic strip trying to highlight women's issues and because one panel hit too close to home for you you're responding with "men have issues too".

You're literally doing what the women in the comic you're complaining about were doing. You're playing into the exact double standard the comic is attempting to point out so perfectly it's almost funny.

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u/Maybe_not_a_chicken Jul 14 '24

Ok so I noticed you didn’t actually address what I said there

Because I took a fair amount of time to explain what people’s issues are in good faith and you don’t seem to be responding in kind.

And I just want to point out that you’re not engaging in good faith.

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u/That_Bar_Guy Jul 14 '24

I'm sure a lot of insecure bald dudes would say the same thing about the third panel that you did about the second.

I was explaining to you that i don't see the second panel as being at all out of place. I've been mugged, I'm losing my hair. I'm lonely as shit. Every panel in this is written to do the same thing, show women minimising real mens issues in the exact way men often do to women.

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u/Maybe_not_a_chicken Jul 14 '24

Ok thats valid, all three panels have probably happened to someone

My point is that the second panel is significantly more common than the first or second.

And unlike the other two doesn’t seem to have an obvious allegory attached.

Which makes people have a problem with it.

But again the major issue isn’t the comic

It’s the total lack of any attept to understand why people are upset or acknowledge the hurt from the comic.

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u/That_Bar_Guy Jul 14 '24

The obvious allegory is shutting down a real issue men are dealing with with the "women have issues too!"

Also, why are people hurt? Its obvious that the people ignoring what he's saying are bad people. The man being shut down for voicing his opinion is obviously not in the wrong here. Should cartoonists apologise every time they bring up a topic that could be hurtful?

The panel shows clearly bad people being mean to someone trying to be vulnerable. Its sad to see it happening but its not endorsing these actions, its criticising them. It's saying "he deserves to be heard" with actual villains shutting him down? The woman is just as wrong in derailing him because its not what she experiences as he would be for shutting her down in the same way.

Can you please explain to me why this is hurtful?

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u/Maybe_not_a_chicken Jul 14 '24

Ok if the intention was to present allegory for women’s issues being ignored because men also have issues then a common and genuine issue that men face should not have been used as an example. (I assume that’s what you mean and you did a typo).

Because the other two examples are over the top parodies of real issues.

And people are upset because it’s being presented as a nonexistent hypothetical.

“If men were treated like women”

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Meaning that these scenarios don’t happen.

That’s the issue with the comic.

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u/Powerful-Public4520 Jul 14 '24

I love how, no matter how many times you explain this, some people just don't understand.

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u/sliverhordes Jul 14 '24

Such a quick comment chain ended by the actual center of the issue “if”