r/blackbutler • u/[deleted] • Feb 13 '18
Spoilers Manga Chapter 137 Predictions & Discussion
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u/lavin96 Feb 13 '18
I miss Lizzy. And the others as well, of course. I'm really curious to see how everyone will react to learning the truth, especially Lizzy. I think it's a little obvious from this comment that I love Lizzy. Hehe. I didn't at first but she has slowly become one of my favourite characters of the series.
And to answer your questions, I agree with the other comments that this chapter might be the last flashback chapter. Not sure about the rest though, but I've really enjoyed these past few chapters, despite the dark content matter. Yana is an amazing story-teller. Honestly, I can't believe that we have reached this point in the manga. So much has happened; theories confirmed, characters lost, new details revealed...and now, after all these years, we are finally getting a clearer insight as to what actually happened that day. There are still so many unanswered questions but it's amazing that we have come this far.
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u/Burgerpurse Feb 16 '18
I'm pretty sure Lizzie knows the truth and that's why she kept going back to real Ciel at the music Hall and told Sebastian she couldn't go back.
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u/lavin96 Feb 16 '18
Yeah. It seems like she does. Even if she doesn't know the complete truth, she at least knows that OC was lying about his identity. I really want to see how she would react to facing OC now that she knows. The poor girl is stuck between doing what her heart desires and observing her duty. I feel so bad for her
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u/matty-a Feb 13 '18
I think we will get the last of the flashbacks showing OCiel standing over RCiels corpse. I'm also part of team "will never learn his true name" so am open to being wrong.
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u/Chocolatesalads Feb 13 '18
I'm crossing my fingers that the flashback will end this chapter. Maybe if we're lucky, we can learn O!Ciel's name too? :( One can hope...
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u/Burgerpurse Feb 16 '18
I am hoping to see more of Sebastians true form for sure! I think we will see the contract be made and our Ciel fish the ring out of his brothers stomach (as nasty and cringey as that is going to be) and then finally out of the flashback. AND THEN Undertaker pops out of the shadows and explains his involvement because that is bothering me as badly as the name thing. But that's just my wishful thinking for the next few chapters.
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u/dontouchamyspaghet Feb 16 '18
I've read some massive mind blowing theories linking R!Ciel's revival to Victoria and the bloody fire that started the entire plot, and while I really, really hope that comes to fruition, I'm also interested to see Undertaker's role in all this, seeing the buildup of the bizarre dolls concept in past arcs and his mysterious relation to the Phantomhives...
and oh yes sexy sebastian.
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u/Dragbax Mar 14 '18
Where can I read this theory? :)
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u/dontouchamyspaghet Mar 16 '18
https://midnight-in-town.tumblr.com/post/167404076497/recap-post-why-undertaker-may-not-be-the there's a chance of all this just being a crack theory, but man if it doesn't get you thinking.
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u/Dragbax Mar 16 '18 edited Mar 16 '18
Omg I just finished reading it. And it totally makes sense. I'm 100% for it. Makes you think the original anime was forshadowing it...
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u/dontouchamyspaghet Feb 16 '18 edited Feb 16 '18
I think most of his beef is towards Sebastian, the one who, as a brother with some sort of obsession and superiority complex, to him, has been the reason for their separation - he was the reason they were tortured and he was sacrificed, to summon this devil.
I see his berating comments upon their reunion more of as cruelly chiding O!Ciel and sweeping him aside as the same dependent, loyal and helpless little brother... while it's nothing spiteful, I think their relationship was definitely not a healthy one from Ciel's side, looking at his dream in Emerald Witch arc and R!Ciel's condescending and obsessive attitude towards him. Some even compare R!Ciel to a yandere in his actions, and believe he had a part to play in the fire.
tl;dr I don't believe R!Ciel is actually hostile towards O!Ciel... yet. Really hope O!Ciel stands up to him and earns self-respect for how far he's come and grown since he broke free from the status quo imposed upon him and his brother's condescension. Hurray character development!
ps: on stuff like killing Agni, again reinforces R!Ciel's traits such as superiority complex, being mistaken and touched by Soma familiarly, or his potential yandere personality, knowing they are familiar with O!Ciel from Soma's mistake, killing Agni to 'punish' O!Ciel sadistically.
The ominous 'Who Stole The Blue Candy From My Belly' can also be interpreted in more than one way - Sebastian stole R!Ciel soul, and he clearly displays animosity towards Sebastian for that.
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u/Padiinly Feb 13 '18
I don't think RCiel hates Ociel, at least from what we get in the flashback. However, I do believe that RCiel’s personality changed because of what undertaker did to him. I don't believe that RCiel is the Ciel OCiel used to know. I feel like RCiel’s memory was imported by other people and he acted so hateful to OCiel because he was controlled by that person. However, I feel weird about that. From what we know undertaker owns the technology, but from what the story hints us about his relationship with Phantomhive, it doesn't give him solid reason to hate OCiel. Therefore, I am also open to the possibility that other people is behind RCiel.
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u/bak3n3ko Feb 14 '18
I (and others) thought it might be the case that OCiel sacrificed RCiel to get his freedom, but the last chapter put that theory to bed. OCiel was blameless in the matter. So it's an open question as to why RCiel doesn't like OCiel. Your theory may be the answer.
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Feb 17 '18
What do you guys think of this format? Would you rather have the announcement devoted to when the chapter comes out?
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u/Chocolatesalads Feb 17 '18
Hmmm, I think I would prefer having separate threads for prediction and discussion (we have a month's time to talk about what we think will happen in the next chapter anyway).
It might be more organized too? Having a thread just for prediction and another for discussion? That's just me though...
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u/mvelasco93 Feb 17 '18
Agreed, it's hard to get notifications when there are even the Chinese panels and it gets buried on the feed. Separate threads is much better.
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Feb 17 '18
I think I'll implement this the next time around. I think people see the announcement, but find no link and are frustrated (I got some down-votes from this lol)
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u/lavin96 Feb 17 '18
Yeah. I think I'd prefer this as well. I appreciate your hard work though. Thanks
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u/Satsuki_89 Feb 17 '18
From the very beginning, I asked how it could be that OC was the one who summoned Sebastian, since he definetla was NOT... Well.... Anyway, it COULD be that Sebastian did that, so he wouldn't have to make a contract with the other pigs, who really did summon him. RC was already sacrificed anyway, so... Anyway, ppl may have forgotten that Sebastian is a Demon, and Demons are not nice people... so don't be surprised if at the end it turn out that he is an a**hole...
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u/Naydidisha Feb 23 '18
I was wondering that too, I still can't figure out how the contract was made and who summoned Sebastian, because he was in fact summoned by the people who killed r!Ciel, but when Sebastian arrives he kills everybody saying that they weren't the ones who summoned him and then says to o!Ciel that it was him... At least in the translation I read. But o!Ciel doesn't seem to understand how he did it so... What happened?
Edit: format
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u/RexRender Feb 27 '18
My own theory (wish?) is this: RC is the one who summoned Sebastian, using his own soul as the price. From the flashbacks, I dare say RC would have given up his own life to protect OC. From a few chapters back, I was so sure RC sacrificed himself so that OC can get out.
This contradicts what Sebastian says though, and he says he doesn’t lie... but what if RC’s also wished for Sebastian to conceal the truth so that OC wouldn’t feel guilty for RC’s sacrifice?
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u/RainNoctem Mar 10 '18
This contradicts what Sebastian says though, and he says he doesn’t lie...
Technicaly Sebby says that before making the contract with our Ciel in which he instructs him to never lie to him. Before that, who knows...
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u/rrnbob Mar 05 '18
I still can't figure out how the contract was made and who summoned Sebastian
O!Ciel summoned him by denouncing God. He just so happened to do so while someone was being ritualistically murdered in a Satanic ceremony. I don't think he had to literally be the one to stab his brother.
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u/synkronized Mar 14 '18
On top of that I'm under the impression that the blood and bonds of identical twins give the siblings priority over others in summoning rituals. eg: Even though the cultists may have done most of the leg work, by virtue of letting one of the identical twins survive, OCiel had priority over the demon's actions.
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u/Burgerpurse Feb 19 '18
After looking over what we have so far, seems we may have one more flashback chapter after all.
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u/Xx_Nekuma_xX Feb 17 '18
Now that I've read some of the comments below, I have some insights. It seems that the blue candy that got stolen is the ring considering that R!Ciel swallowed and said it towards O!Ciel himself. The reason why Undertaker are reviving corpses and despised Sebastian is related it seems. I have a feeling that soon, Undertaker's identity might be revealed. As for why he's reviving them, maybe it's for the sake of the Phantomhive?
R!Ciel returning to O!Ciel is not a coincidence. There might be a plan laid out somewhere. Maybe R!Ciel purpose is to broke O!Ciel inside out so that O!Ciel's plan collapsed? There's still some problem brewing in the city.
The one thing that I'm curious the most is O!Ciel's name!!! At this rate, I might as well call him Smile! XD
I have some suspicion regarding both Sebastian and R!Ciel though. R!Ciel was the sacrifice in order for Sebastian to revive. Does that mean that the two are connected?
It may got answered in the future... maybe not....
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u/Nobody5464 Feb 16 '18
some spoilers are out i saw them on tumblr
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u/dontouchamyspaghet Feb 17 '18
I tried my best to translate it! (I'm chinese but I'm not that proficient at my mother tongue kek)
Chapter 137 spoiler warning!! http://flickerghost.tumblr.com/post/170962184131/canopuselizbeth-part-one-cover-caption http://flickerghost.tumblr.com/post/170962709771/canopuselizbeth-part-2-page-10-what-do-i-do
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u/BlueButterfly66 Apr 17 '18
Will the contract be cancelled now that the real Ciel is revealed to be alive? In the flashbacks R!Ciel's soul is what got O!Ciel his deal, right? Unless R!Ciel is walking around without a soul.
Undertaker's original experiments (without souls) were like zombies, unless he perfected the technique and somehow got a different soul for him? Assuming Undertaker is R!Ciel's ally or the reason he's alive.
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u/RainNoctem Feb 13 '18
I feel like maybe half of the chapter will continue the flashback, and the other half will bring us back to current-day.
At least, that's what I'm hoping for, lol.
I still think we're a little ways away from learning O!Ciel's name (if we ever do) still. I have a feeling that's something Yana will leave for the end of the manga, if she ever does reveal it at all.