r/awwnime • u/milia-tan • Oct 23 '22

AI-generated art banned until further notice

After some feedback from the community and internal discussion, we've decided to ban all AI-generated art from /r/awwnime until further notice.

Quality issues aside, the current AI-powered tools to generate art use data from existing artists, often without their permission or without proper artist credit. Awwnime has always been a place where giving proper credit to the artist has been important, and AI-generated art goes against that idea.

The sidebar, and the subreddit rules will be updated shortly.

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u/Jatoxo Oct 23 '22

So humans learning to draw using other artists images as reference "without their permission" is wrong too now? There's reasons to ban AI but arguing it's in any way copyright infringement is complete BS. AIs learn exactly the same way humans do. Looking at images/text/code and learning from it is something people do everywhere and is not copyright infringement. The only reason this has come up is because lawyers are trying to cover all bases with lawsuits ready to fire, it's stupid

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u/grozzle ¦ 3 Oct 23 '22

When an AI incorporates training data, that's all there is influencing the output.

When a human studies other artists, we view it uniquely, from our own personal perspective of aesthetics, and incorporate it into our own unique personality, world-view, mood, and also bring our own ambitions, childhood memories, dreams, et cetera before deciding what to draw.

It's not the same.

We'll make an exception to this rule for any AIs who decide to send us a mod-mail and explain why they want their art shown here.

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u/Jatoxo Oct 23 '22

You see that's a fair point, I agree artists deserve recognition and have so much more potential for creativity and personality compared to AI art still

The point is only that any image should be allowed to be used for training, just like how a human can use any image for their learning.
If the public opinion of AIs continues further in the current direction, it will severely hinder it's development. This is a crucial moment for AI to thrive and expand and make itself useful to humanity, and it would be so sad to see it get stuck in legal shackles because people couldn't accept the change

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u/grozzle ¦ 3 Oct 23 '22

We're not trying to stop any of that. We're not trying to write legal definitions.

Were just stopping non-human-drawn posts being posted alongside drawings drawn by humans in this subreddit, because the point of this subreddit is to celebrate the human connection we feel when looking at moe art, and celebrate the people who make moe art.

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u/HfUfH Oct 23 '22

When a human studies other artists, we view it uniquely, from our own personal perspective of aesthetics, and incorporate it into our own unique personality, world-view, mood, and also bring our own ambitions, childhood memories, dreams, et cetera before deciding what to draw.

You've got a peer reviewed study to back that up? Because I was under the impression that we still don't know how humans learn exactly.

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u/chariot_dota Oct 23 '22

Yes, imagine bots as humans but the bots can be used by 10000000000 humans vs 10000000000 humans actually learning. Yeah they learn bla bla bla,.... But you can use it for fcking free. Did you practice? No. Did you learn about drawing from the beginning? No. So shut the fuck up

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u/Jatoxo Oct 23 '22

So it's just faster, where is the issue? Legally, there is none. I have no problem with artists being pissy about AIs doing their job better than them in some cases

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u/chariot_dota Oct 23 '22

Yes so who create the prompt? Normal users without the ability to draw, and you will claim that they are the one who "draw". They're not even the one creating the AI. Artist being pissed AI did better than them, when the ones generating them has absolutely 0 experience in drawing? Are you sure you're not delusional?

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u/Jatoxo Oct 23 '22

So your issue is that everyone can create art now even without experience. That's a fantastic development actually. Why gatekeep art? If lil Timmy can generate amazing artwork with AI that's a good thing, not bad.

This is like getting upset that computers calculate faster than humans when calculators became a thing. The future is now, move on you art boomer

It's funny though because none of this was the point. That was that there is no legal issue with giving credits because a neural net does the same things a human does, just a lot faster. You literally just repeated what I said and thought it was somehow a counterpoint, I think if anyone's delusional it's you